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20 of 25 people found the following review helpful
1.0 out of 5 stars ........?, August 15, 2004
This review is from: Rust In Peace (Audio CD)
I bought four other Megadeth remasters and was extremely satisfied. Rust in Peace is a masterpiece, and probably the best Megadeth album. Instrumentally the remastered album sounds good. I would give it five stars based on that. The vocals on Take No Prisoners, Five Magics, and Lucretia, though, were redone. Why Dave? The new vocals are nothing short of offensive. I can see no reason, short of not having the original recordings, to re-sing ANY song. If he did not have them, which is inconceivable, he should have left the songs alone. If anyone wants to find out how to ruin a good album, this is the example. If you have the original don't waste your money here, the bonus tracks aren't worth it either.
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Initial post: Jan 25, 2011 12:01:43 AM PST
I can give you a few reasons. I happen to agree with you, but Dave did note in either an interview or in the liner notes that some vocal tracks were lost (it may have just been Take No Prisoners).
The other thing I think is possible is that with the remixing remastering, there may have been settings lost in the transfer from analog to digital, or whatever they are modernizing. Some of the vocal processing that producers had up their sleeves may not have been available to Mustaine when he was reworking on these. Hell, he might not have even known about them in the first place. Also, he could have just liked his natural voice more without any reverb, echo, or any other stuff.
Anyway, thats just an idea or two

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 1, 2012 8:24:51 AM PST
From what I read in an old issue of Guitar World, the vocal tracks for those 3 songs were lost when he went back to the original tapes to remaster the album. He had no choice.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 5:40:01 PM PDT
VAZ says:
Well actually, yes, he had a choice. He could have NOT remixed the album and instead just remastered. You can remaster an album without the original tracks.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 17, 2013 7:01:37 PM PDT
Imexactly13 says:
Or just reissue the original, it sounds just fine, and maybe add the bonus tracks

In reply to an earlier post on Oct 1, 2013 4:25:44 PM PDT
dj says:
Exactly what Imexactly13 said.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 23, 2014 8:37:21 PM PDT
Lance Lust says:
The remixes/remasters are far better sounding in the volume than that of the original. I know about the loudness war, but I tend to like it when I can hear the music at a low volume...

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 24, 2014 6:24:34 AM PDT
dj says:
Just use your volume knob/button. The compression that comes with these remasters isn't worth it. A lot of people confuse loudness with volume - they're not the same thing.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2014 10:47:16 AM PDT
Lance Lust says:
It sounds somewhat clearer to my ears having the remasters. How does one know if it's too loud? That it gets distorted? Static? I have a CD Iggy and the Stooges. It's been remastered/remixed, and I have a greatest hits by Iggy Pop, too. I don't know if the greatest hits is compressed or not, but the two songs on both albums sound better than the remixed/remastered; it's got this distorted sound to it, like almost this static sound.

I heard Metallica's Death Magnetic is far too compressed that it sounds distorted. I have nothing to compare that to; didn't like that one.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 26, 2014 12:48:56 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 28, 2014 5:13:36 AM PDT
dj says:
If you can't tell the difference, then by all means, enjoy the remaster. It probably means that your headphones aren't all that great. And as a warning, once you hear the side effects of loudness compression, you'll hear it EVERYWHERE and it will annoy the hell out of you forever, and sadly there's no turning back.

The most common trace of loudness compression with metal music is a snare drum that sounds like it is about to pop. Death Magnetic had this problem to an extreme, but nearly all modern metal recordings are engineered this way, and sadly, many remasters as well. Another one off the top of my head (there are thousands of examples, too) is Iron Maiden's "Somewhere in Time," which has an excruciatingly compressed remastered snare drum. This is sad because SiT was IM's most dynamically rich album before it's remaster treatment in 2002 (the 1996 remaster on Castle Records, however, sounds jaw-droppingly fantastic, plus you get all the b-sides from that album). So listen for snare drums that overwhelm what else is going on.

Next is the bass drum. Often the bass drum will be "EQ'd" in post-production so much that it will actually deafen the music for a few milliseconds after each drum kick. Think of it like a whirlpool that lasts for a very short duration - it sucks away at all the surrounding sonics for a brief moment. It is horribly distracting, especially during double-bass parts.

Lastly, and my least favorite - the "snap crackle pop" you hear on the guitars is NOT your sucky earbuds, or your choice in lossy mp3 file. Even with a pair of $400 60 ohm BeyerDynamics headphones from a 24-bit/192kHz uncompressed lossless bluray source through an ASUS Xonar sound card and bypassing Windows audio drivers using JRiver MediaCenter19, one can still hear the same crackling noises stemming from loudness compression. They ruined Roger Daltrey's iconic scream on "Won't Get Fooled Again" remaster, the chorus to Pink Floyd's "Us & Them," and countless other moments in classic rock that should have just been left alone. Nirvana's "Nevermind" remaster is also another textbook example of horrible remastering. (One thing I like about Steve Wilson's King Crimson remixes is that he always provides a "needle drop" transfer on the DVD-A so we can hear what the original vinyl sounded like).

Remasters are bad, but current releases are even worse. What the music industry thinks, and what they're forcing sound engineers to do, is that metal needs to be LOUD. (I say "forcing" deliberately because when someone says "master this record loudly or you're out of a job," then you'll follow suit). What they don't realize is that loudness ruins the music, and that we're perfectly capable of using our volume knobs/buttons.

Think of a CD (or its software counterpart - FLAC, WAV, mp3, ogg, etc.) as a garden hose. It can only take so much water pressure before it starts to tear and eventually rupture. All physical mediums have a limit to the loudness they can take - DVD, CD, vinyl, cassette, etc. If I try to pump the water pressure required for a fire hose through a garden hose, it will break. With CD mastering, the engineers are taking the loudness right up to and teetering on the brink - enough that you can still decipher what's going on (after all, it could be cranked up to undecipherable levels of static if they kept upping the loudness), but so much that you get crackling and distortion side effects all throughout the music.

However, there are remaster projects which I think made big improvements on the original CD releases. Led Zeppelin's 1991 catalog remaster (available in two box sets - one four disc version, and one two disc supplement) sounds fantastic. Peter Gabriel remasters explode with new life and lush sonics. Dire Straits remasters improved upon the original pressings as well. Rush's mid-1990s remasters turned out very well, Power Windows the only exception. Camel's remasters likewise are better than the originals. And the absolute best remaster series I've ever heard are the Steely Dan remasters, The Royal Scam being the only exception (whoever did this one didn't kill us with loudness, but went WAY TOO HEAVY on the EQ for the drum cymbals - it's cringe-worthy). But everything else in Steely Dan's catalog sounds staggeringly perfect in remaster form - so much that sometimes I forget it was all recorded in the 1970s (Gaucho aside, which I think was 1980).

If you're interested in whether a remaster or new release has been ruined or not, the online DR Database is the quintessential source: http://dr.loudness-war.info/

Hope this helps!

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 27, 2014 6:57:53 PM PDT
Lance Lust says:
Have you heard the Iggy and the Stooges remaster?

Thanks for spending the time to give the info you did.
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