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1.0 out of 5 stars So Bias He Is Wrong When Right, April 3, 2010
This review is from: American Conspiracies: Lies, Lies, and More Dirty Lies that the Government Tells Us (Hardcover)
Listened to the audio book and had a good laugh at the end.

Jesse uses past facts in such a way as to blind him to current corruption. For example, Mr. Ventura really believes medical care is a "right" and that somehow radical "Christians" are too mean to realize this. Ok Mr. Ventura, how about you open up your state to take in the whole sick world. No need waiting for individuals to cross the border for free medical care. You personally invite them to your state for all the free medical care. After all it is their, and I quote him, "human right." Mr. Ventura just cannot see, because of his opinion, that he has lost more Constitional rights now than his whole combined book of past conspiracies.

There are just too many opinionated, one-sided, superfical "conclusions" to make this book worthwhile.
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Initial post: Apr 14, 2010 3:32:48 PM PDT
Maybe you should review the book rather than cast stones about your own pet ideology with respect to health care. Certainly, there's plenty of blogs where you can spew.

Posted on Apr 16, 2010 12:58:39 AM PDT
I thought Christianity was supposed to be about charity and compassion. A shame it's become nothing more than a security blanket for people who are afraid of 1. death 2. not getting into heaven. Ironic how the political right, most of whom are supposed Christians, could care less about what Christ really preached.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 16, 2010 9:27:30 AM PDT
Please read or listen to the book, as the review was exactly on target. It was Mr. Ventura that ended on that topic.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 16, 2010 9:30:32 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 16, 2010 12:12:09 PM PDT
Really? You know what Jesus taught. Your review certainly shows the anti-Christian attitude that was reflected in Mr. Ventura's book. By the way here is what Jesus:

The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me. (Mark 14:7)

So Mr. Ventura, "help them any time you want"; invite the poor of the world to your door, then lecture the rest of us. If you are going to slam Christianity at least know what Jesus said.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 22, 2010 6:12:00 AM PDT
Karl May says:
Actually, jesus didn't say anything. It was taken from mark's notes (his gospel didn't get written down on scrolls until 275-300 years after the fact) and I wonder how much that was doctored. The four gospels don't even agree on major issues, how can you sit there and defend a totally made up book of stories?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 22, 2010 12:23:54 PM PDT
Greetings Karl,

Of course it was "Mark's notes" so what is the point? Every scientist works from notes. Notes from the past and current notes they are making. Truth is not destroyed by the fact someone make notes. In fact, those who take notes often are listening better. In reality you proved God true. If you want the truth to remain as solid as possible, write down the facts as soon as possible. This God did.

To declare Jesus "didn't say anything" is non-sense. You really think you could tell a judge that you didn't say something because it was the court reporter that took notes? You misunderstand the nature of scripture.

(2 Peter 1:20) Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation.

While you didn't write any specifics, thus I cannot respond, I am sure your objection to the four gospel's not agreeing are pretty stock talking points. Easily answered if one looks for them. A simple search on Amazon would provide you a wealth of answers.

Naturally this has nothing to do with Mr. Ventura's immature reasoning or the last writer of the post who didn't know what "Jesus" said on the matter concerning the poor.

Thanks for writing,
A.T. Cross
www.thediscerningtimes.com

Posted on Apr 29, 2010 12:06:00 PM PDT
Harry Percy says:
What constitutional rights do you think Mr. Ventura (and presumably yourself) has lost? And who do you perceive to be responsible for that loss?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2010 12:42:41 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 29, 2010 12:43:05 PM PDT
Greetings Paul,

It is hard to take that question seriously. It would be easier to ask, what freedoms do we have left, as there are so few that remain.

For my "answer" to such a broad question go to my web site at www.thediscerningtimes.com.

Posted on Apr 29, 2010 1:21:35 PM PDT
Harry Percy says:
Regarding the swipe at healthcare:

As someone with decent insurance I am so grateful to have survived a heart attack and then having had excellent follow-up care...care our for profit system has denied so many for so long. Had I been among the 32 million excluded from insurance till the health care legislation passed I might now be dead or severely disabled. As a Christian how can I help but take joy that people not as fortunate as I will be able to be as well served in healthcare as I have been? My wife and I have a friend, self-employed, who thought she had good health insurance only to discover as she fought stage 3 breast cancer that her insurance covered only a small fraction of her care and so she has had to sell her home and much of what she owns to cover her bills (even after her friends and family raised more than $20,000 for her.) As a Christian how can I help but rejoice that so many like our friend now won't have to face utter ruin to get/retain a level of decent health care coverage?

Now one can make an argument that healthcare is a universal right. Certainly being deprived of proper healthcare can infringe on two of the rights stated explicitly in the Declaration of Independence to be God given (life and the pursuit of happiness). But whether or not this is a right is irrelevant to Christians who have both an obligation and a vested interest in seeing that healthcare is provided by their government!

Why?

Well, from a mainstream Christian perspective our health care "system" is not just flawed it is immoral and damning.

The entire book of James can well be read as an indictment of our nation's attitude toward the poor, the unemployed and underemployed and certainly the uninsured. If you couple James 2:14-18 with Matthew 25:31-46 it seems that it's not so much individuals but nations that are to be judged on what they do on a practical level of compassion for those who in a multitude of dimensions have little or nothing--including health and the care and compassion of their fellow human beings and countrymen. How can I help but shudder with relief that we, as a nation, have at least taken this small step away from the indictment we surely deserve?

A.R. you really should read "The Hole in Our Gospel" by Richard Sterns, President of World Vision. It is the story of one man being convicted by God of indifference and selfishness and finally being able to see and understand the more than 2000 verses in the Bible that speak to God's compassion for the poor and the proper use of money!

Finally, the words of Jesus really ought to be one's guide in posting anywhere on the internet. (Mark 12:32.) Our words may be the only contact people have with Christians. Being sarcastic, judgmental and indulging in vitriol paint a poor portrait of Christ's followers!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 29, 2010 1:55:40 PM PDT
Greetings Paul,

Really, Jesus said a lot about the "immoral and damning" Roman health care system? Must have missed that one.

Sorry, I thought it was the "job" of true disciples of Jesus, through the church, to preach the good news and give to the poor. You have fallen for Satan's trap. The government will not only take away a Christian's power to do good, but slap you in jail at the same time. As for being sarcastic and judgmental have you even read your Bible? It is full of sarcastic statements and is very judgmental. Here is one example:

1 Corinthians 5:11
But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

1 Corinthians 5:12
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?

So tell me, how many individuals have you judged in the church, telling them you cannot eat lunch with them because they are unrepentant sinners? World Vision may be known for its feel good feed the poor programs, but not for its full presentation of the good news of Jesus Christ.

There is a hole in the gospel alright but it is not in getting the government to force everyone to have health care. Let us end with the what Bible says about health care:

James 5:14
Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord.

James 5:15
And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven.

James 5:16
Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

Now confess the sin of refusing to judge those inside the church and you will be onto something meaningful in Jesus. I assume you did the above when you had your heart attack? To have just gone to the doctor, be happy with insurance without obeying James 5 is to make an idol of healthcare.
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