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Well researched, fair-minded assessment with the following caveats,
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This review is from: The Ancient Alien Question: A New Inquiry Into the Existence, Evidence, and Influence of Ancient Visitors (Paperback)Philip Coppens, a featured commentator on the History Channel's "Ancient Aliens" series, has written, if not exactly a series tie-in then at the least a very timely addition to the questions raised by Erich von Daniken in his landmark book "Chariots of the Gods" and pursued in this tv series.
Coppens seems to cover all the bases and is not afraid to step on toes in debunking claims made, for example, by Zacharia Sitchen that simply do not hold up to scrutiny. Coppens' method is simply to examine the evidence and separate the wheat from the chaff. For example, there is a long standing claim that nuclear explosions took place in ancient India some 8,000 - 12,000 years ago. This is first mentioned on page 118f and then picked up again on page 200f. Zacharia Sitchin and an archeologist named Francis Taylor are cited as having promulgated this notion based on earlier research. Yet when looked at closely, Sitchin's research is selective and misleading and Taylor turns out to be a non-entity. Neither the Indian press nor the "Indian archeological authorities" (p.204) have any idea about "radioactive ash" and the entire scenario is reminiscent of the kind of story put out by "World Weekly News" that cites fictional `academics' to give the semblance of authority to a hoax (this, however, does not hamper the tv series talking heads from promoting things of this sort - alien `rocket ships' and landing strips, for instance - as if they were facts). So, credit Coppens with presenting the story and debunking much of it.
Unfortunately, it appears that Coppens himself is not as careful as he might be. In his discussion of anomalous radiation and other evidence of atomic explosions in ancient India, he writes of one "Albion W. Hart [who] was one of the first engineers to graduate from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)." (p. 117) But Google Mr. Hart and what do you come up with? Zilch. And equally disconcerting, that same sentence repeated in any number of sites: ([..] or[..]). The sentence is also uncredited, which doesn't exactly inspire confidence. One might be tempted to wonder about misconstrued `evidence,' make-believe `authorities' (Taylor and Hart), and the seeming echo-chamber of self-referential speculation that must be taken on faith. Another example of which is when Coppens writes about the supposed return of the Mayan gods based on a partial inscription, and notes that "other Mayan sources reference the return" (p.255) thereby confirming this speculation. Alas, we are left in the dark as to which Mayan sources he has in mind. This kind of thing is endemic to the tv show, but only seem to be the occasional lapse in Coppens' book; nonetheless, one would expect zero tolerance of this sort of thing in a well researched tome.
A few other points: Coppens ventures into the discipline of Philosophy and makes the following claim: "Thales was - in my opinion, unfortunately - also the man who tried to explain everything without incorporating mythology....From Thales onward, we have removed thousands of years of our history, because it was based on or incorporated mythology." (p. 222) In any history of Philosophy text, you'll find Thales as the first philosopher. It is believed that he was instructed by priests of Egypt, as were many of the Pre-Socratic philosophers who succeeded him. Thales sought to understand the world, the Cosmos, without reference to Zeus and the pantheon of gods thought to rule and oversee the Cosmos. Instead of relying on folklore and legends about divinities that made eclipses happen or bring the rain, Thales and those who followed in his footsteps made use of the faculty of Reason to discover the truths of Nature. Thales did not suppress or outlaw myth; he was not responsible for removing thousands of years of history, he simply had no need of it to explain the workings of Nature. It was Christendom that suppressed and outlawed the pagan gods and the myths associated with them, not Thales. It was Christendom that banished the past, not philosophers. So, I have to take issue with Coppens' disparagement of Thales and the scientific method his followers initiated. Without them we might still believe in demi-gods and human sacrifices in order to make the crops grow.
Attendant on this is Coppens' `new age' misappropriation of the term metaphysics to denote the paranormal (p.286). Alas, Metaphysics, as a branch of Philosophy, goes back to Aristotle whose book on `First Principles' was, according to legend, placed next to (Greek: "meta") his book on Physics. Hence, the text was categorized as Meta-Physics. However, whatever gave new agers the audacity to turn this highly technical term into one that denotes the paranormal, or channeling, or whatever fringe pursuit strikes their fancy is beyond my comprehension. That Coppens perpetuates this misnomer and thereby delegitimizes the term goes hand in glove with his disparagement of Thales and the philosophical tradition.
And finally, in the last chapter, "Evidence of Non Physical Contact", things get murky indeed. The term evidence is stretched beyond all cognizance. At this point ET `gods' somehow lead to `contact with God himself - the creator deity." (p. 274) These are untested waters. I have no problem with the basic premise of the ancient alien hypothesis - that ET was taken for civilizing skygods - but what can be made of this "creator deity" that is responsible for "the Creation Act"? (p. 256) That's a whole `nother ball of wax. And while the context is Egyptian and Aztec deities, Coppens leaves the door open for a broader interpretation in line with some kind of judeo-christer theology. Alas.
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Apparently Amazon does not allow hyperlinks in reviews. Here are the two excised links to the sentence I mentioned....
In reply to an earlier post on Mar 18, 2012 7:29:15 PM PDT
If there were sophisticated Ancient Technology then where are the manufacturing facilities, workshops and testing areas? Where is the archeological evidence? There is none to my knowledge. What we see is nothing more than ancient mythology or stories with no hard archeological data to back the myths...RMCollins, Capt, retired AF, Top Secret/SCI clearance at FTD and AFWL.
In reply to an earlier post on Mar 19, 2012 3:08:02 PM PDT
True enough. Though I would hasten to add that natural catastrophes do happen and it is possible that such evidence was wiped out thousands of years ago. The floods at the end of the last Ice Age for instance might have caused much would-be evidence to vanish. But that there was anything there prior to the floods is pure speculation. On the other hand, I don't believe that starfaring beings would necessarily need testing facilities or workshops. Any species capable of interstellar travel would also have the means to do whatever they wanted without necessarily setting up shop on Earth. I hear the `experts' on the History Channel's Ancient Aliens series casually refer to spaceports or whatnot on Earth (an idea I assume they borrowed from the works of Zecharia Sitchin) and I cringe.
Although I pretty much buy the premise that aliens were taken for gods and possibly genetically engineered a human species which they may have used for slave labor, and probably helped humans build the megalithic structures found across the globe that defy explanation, the entire ancient aliens hypothesis is not yet a theory despite their calling it such. It is, at best, an inference drawn from their particular interpretation of certain types of 'evidence'. Interpretations that sometimes make sense and other times simply go off the rails.
In reply to an earlier post on Mar 19, 2012 3:28:37 PM PDT
If that were the case pretty much of all the ancient monuments would of been wiped out. And there is no evidence that any of the great floods reached that far south although it might of happened in some places.
And, I don't trust what Zecharia Sitchin does in many cases although he does have some valid ideas.
As for genetically engineered humans? If you know anything about genetics you'd know there is no evidence for that.
Were there ancient alien visitations? Sure there were, plenty of evidence for that. How much they do or not do? Speculation to say the least. I agree on one point though, how did those 1 Ton bricks get moved? A mystery I think...Robert Collins
In reply to an earlier post on Mar 19, 2012 6:51:46 PM PDT
I freely admit to knowing nothing about genetics. However, I am reading "We Have Never Been Alone" by Paul von Ward (http://www.vonward.com/weveneverbeenalon
As for the 70 and up to 800 ton blocks of cut stone seen in megalithic structures such as the Great Pyramid and the Temple at Baalbeck....well, when someone comes up with an engineering plan that accounts for the transportation and precise fitting of these stones then I'll accept that humans did it unaided.
In reply to an earlier post on Mar 19, 2012 7:03:34 PM PDT
Have you ever dealt with these critter? John Edmonds, Bobby Morrison and myself have. We get frequent visits which are very annoying and not asked for. Most of these critters are Cybots or Cybernetic organisms. They are out hunting, the worker bees that setup cattle mutilations and abductions then hand things over to the big guys.
For something that made humans they sure try hard to harvest our genetic material to produce hybrids. Seems we are their salvation, they are not ours.
For an Alien Tissue and Fluid sample report see link, I'm identified there as the editor.
In reply to an earlier post on Mar 21, 2012 3:51:40 AM PDT
No, I haven't had any `encounters'. Not that I particularly want any, given the trauma that seems to be involved. Never seen a UFO (at least as far as I can recall). Just find the subject fascinating.
From what I've read I think it's safe to assume that a number of different species have visited `our' Planet. These so-called ancient astronaut Annunaki that are associated somehow with the Nephilim and are supposed to be tall, giants by comparison to primitive humans. Then there are the Nordics (ala Billy Meier), the Reptilians (David Icke's bête noir), Insectoids, etc., you know, the usual suspects, 9 at last count.
I was under the impression that the ancient alien Annunaki types were distinct from the worker bee Greys. So that while the Annunaki are supposed to have `uplifted' early hominids into homo erectus or homo sapiens with the injection of their DNA and/or inseminating female hominids to create a race of human slaves, the Greys (or their masters, the `big guys') have a different hybridization agenda. Undoubtedly to create a race of grey alien/human/cow beings. Lol. There are, as I'm sure you are aware, reports from women who claim to have encountered their hybrid children. What do you make of this?
Turns out in 2010 I bought your book The Black World of UFOs: Exempt from Disclosure which certainly has great reviews at Amazon. Haven't yet read it though. Interesting that your pal seems to have at the least mortally wounded if not killed one of these grey beings but couldn't keep its body. That would certainly have been a coup. The Samurai sword was a nice touch, but if I was being visited by unwelcome interdimensional critters I think I'd keep a loaded firearm nearby. It's also interesting that you guys seem to have waking encounters with Greys. I was under the impression that they came at night, used telepathic powers to cloud the mind and suppress memory, and then abducted humans for study and experimentation.
Question: given your background, what's your take on Phil Schneider?
In reply to an earlier post on Mar 21, 2012 8:12:03 AM PDT
Well Lucius, where to start? A few things, the Billy Meier story is a hoax, even his own now ex-wife states he hoaxed the evidence. Then there is the Annunaki, a name given by the ancient Sumerians?
Whatever they were the Annunkai sure didn't come from inside the solar system. There is no evidence for a planet X despite all the talk. Annunaki might just be another name for the grays which I believe it is.
Injecting DNA? Modern DNA studies show that we are genetically connected to every living species on this planet to a 66% level. There is no evidence of any alien intervention. If aliens made humans then they sure wouldn't be here collecting human samples to make hybrids. We are their salvation.
The grey Cybots, Cybernetic organism are the worker bees. The big guys are your tall greys, 6ft and higher who are the handlers. Then we have tall blondes, Mantis and your Reptoids.
All the events described in the link I sent happened at night. People like to call these critters as we named them inter-dimensional. From my own experiences they are sure not inter-dimensional.
They use what is called a Space-time bubble (S-TB) which is a 4D space-time inside our space-time and these 'bubbles' do emit a weak EMF which can be detected with a Gauss meter which I've done.
This 4D bubble makes these critters invisible as it does their craft. All I can see is a standing wave rippling effect in the room and get a measured Milligauss reading day or night.
Telepathic powers? Yes, I was in a Comatose state a number of times, it's like a deep dark sleep, the deepest sleep you will ever feel, almost like a coma.
You mentioned the book. Hope you get a chance to read it and it's now in Kindle, light years ahead of the paperback...Best...RMCollins
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