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Initial post: Jul 4, 2008 9:00:45 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 18, 2008 9:56:33 AM PDT
RJ says:
I think that the book of quotes by James Dean is better than any bio of him maybe short of the "Original" Bill Bast bio in 1956. He, the author, then made a movies based on that book. The recent book is not even close. Bill Bast seems to have evolved Jimmy-----his friend far off the edge. A true shame.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 18, 2008 9:10:15 AM PDT
The original Bill Bast bio was published in 1956, not 1966. Bast's recent book on Dean is a better read than the original in my opinion--not least of all because Bast reveals what he was in no position to reveal in 1956: the star's bisexuality. I suspect that's the reason Rob J.S. views Bast's recent book as a piece of hooey.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 18, 2008 9:55:58 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 18, 2008 10:19:35 AM PDT
RJ says:
"A Better Book"? Since when do you change your friend's personal experiences over a 40 year period with 5 or so at different moments and not get it right until supposedly now when you can capitalize on it? The New book shows a complete 180 degree turn from everything that Bill bast published on James Dean, his supposed close friend, on 1956 (I said 1956, NOT 1966...read.)

Why didn't Bill Bast reveal this in his updated movie version or re-version of 1976? The 70's were a great liberal revolution? Haven't you heard of the "sexual revolution"...so-called? Madam, "Wise-It-Up". If this is about your credibilty about a "FRIEND" and the only time you want to reveal something "NEW" you do it 20 years "AFTER" your initial book and movie? Why do ya do it on James Dean's 50th Anniversary of his death and not his 45th or 40th? Maybe to capitalize on "a" Friend? I recall Judas took 30 Pieces of silver to capitalize on an opportunity for "a" friend too....and guess what? It was also "for his friend".... ;)

This is a sham-slam-book against someone Bill Bast was a close friend with. He should be ashamed of himself "by coming out" in 2006!! Give me a break already! So saying "Hoey" to me tells me more about how interested you are in "tintillating and salacious" truth and not The Truth.

James Dean had girlfriends and now he is labeled as a "bi"........what? Some call him "gay".........some don't know and some prefer the "tintilation". Sorry, madam..... If Bill couldn't do it for the first 20 years, I don't care much what else he wants to say. He said it all in 1956 and 1976 in the movie. He had several opportunities to "adjust" his views. Was it because of being afraid of his career being affected? Well, for a friend, that shouldn't come into play, Bill. You should be ashamed. (And, Bill...you mention in your 1956 BOOK "James Dean" that James Dean played the character role of "John The Baptist" in "Hill Number One". Guess what? It was "John The Apostle" not John The Baptist as he was beheaded earlier when Jesus was beginning His Ministry by Herod............ Ooooooops!!) Folks? Pick up the book on "James Dean" by Billl Bast published 1956 and turn to page 29. See for yourself how accurate Bill Bast's information was then.. He didn't even get "his freind's character" right which played on Easter April 1st, 1951. So when it comes to your "credibilty" today, Bill? Ya got none!

Special note: Strangely my birthday is on April 1st and my middle name is "John". I can't forget what character James Dean played, but you can, Bill? Only in America, right? :)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 15, 2008 3:06:04 PM PST
Warren Beath says:
Right on, Rob.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 15, 2008 3:19:03 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 15, 2008 4:30:51 PM PST
RJ says:
You betcha! ;)

Ps... If anybody would like to share their experiences of interest regarding "Jimmy", my email is rsledz957@comcast.net

Peace... RJ

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2008 9:26:42 AM PST
R. Adkins says:
I could not agree more!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 17, 2008 1:06:35 PM PST
RJ says:
Billy Bast keeps evolving.............. You betcha!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 20, 2008 6:22:58 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Dec 20, 2008 6:28:17 PM PST
Seems to me Bast's book has hit a sore spot with some of Dean's fans, (Rob, e.g.) who don't fancy the idea that their hero was bisexual, if not homosexual.

In response to Rob's furious outburst, I should point out that Bast's latest book was in no way a "180 degree turn" from his slim 1956 account, rather, as Bast explained in the introduction, a filling out of much significant detail that the puritanical standards of the time would not allow him to print back then.

As for the reason the 1970s television movie version of Bast's book contained little homosexual content, I gather from an online account provided by the Hollywood Caucus of Producers, Writers and Directors, that the network NBC was unwilling to include any mention of homosexuality in the telefilm, and that it was only by threat of a lawsuit that the producers managed to include the small amount that they did.

As for the reason Bast's second book was published a year after the fiftieth year of Dean's death, apparently this had less to do with cashing in on the anniversary than being a matter of righting the record while Bast was still alive (again, as Bast stated in the introduction of his last book) after two publications had recently grossly misrepresented his and Dean's relationship, namely Paul Alexander's first hardcover printing of "Boulevard of Broken Dreams", which was withdrawn after Bast sued Penguin-Viking, followed by John Gilmore's "Live Fast, Die Young".

Of course Dean had girlfriends. So did Bast. All young American men did in the fifties. And it certainly didn't mean that you were sexually involved with every girl you dated or knew.

As for the John the Baptist mixup, I notice that Bast refers, correctly, to John the Beloved Apostle in his latest book; I suspect he wasn't as interested in Biblical matters back in 1956, as you, Rob, appear to be.

Posted on Jun 16, 2011 4:27:11 AM PDT
ROB: In your original review you stated that Bast's first book on Dean was published in 1966. I'm certain that's what you wrote. (I see that you edited what you'd written after I posted my reply stating that the correct year is 1956.)
You made a great big to-do about Bast misidentifying Dean's character in "Hill Number One" as John the Baptist rather than John the Apostle. (A number of authors on Dean have made the same mistake.) Then you turn around and give an incorrect date for the show's airing: April 1, 1951. In point of fact it aired on Easter Sunday, March 25, 1951.

"Some--most--will say he was heterosexual, and there's some truth for that, apart from the usual dating of actresses his age. Others will say no, he was gay, and there's some proof for that too, keeping in mind that it's always tougher to get that kind of proof. But Jimmy himself said more than once that he swung both ways, so why all the mystery and confusion?"
(Film director Nicholas Ray in Lawrence Frascella and Al Weisel's book Live Fast, Die Young: The Wild Ride of Making Rebel Without a Cause, page 181; see also Sal Mineo: His Life, Murder, and Mystery by H. Paul Jeffers, page 27)

Posted on Jun 16, 2011 9:12:18 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 16, 2011 11:00:16 AM PDT
RJ says:
I corrected myself. 1956.. Happy. Yes, and of course this means you had to remind me of that ...WHY?? Listen William. A lot of authors never made movies about DEAN. A lot of authors never claimed the things that BAST claimed. Alot of authors never wrote a book about Dean just a year after he died... Don't go there....Your disqualifying everything about yourself now. William "Larochelle" or Bast.... You would have to be unbelievably stupid, careless and totally indicative of wanting quick PR by showing that YOU could make soo many errors the 50 years you supposedly knew Jimmy.. You knew Jimmy about as much as I knew Jimmy... And that would only mean one thing....You figure that one out. You don't know me do you? Ok.. God enuff.

I will get back to you on the date. I just know friends who say they viewed it was on Easter Sunday April 1st. I have no further clue about it. IMDB has many errors. I think a group of friends would kinda know what they saw when they say they saw it. Maybe march
Here is one resource.. As far as being gay, he wasn't. I don't care what you or others say. AN experimerimet or a joke aren't real. Experiments into cancer meds don't carry potency to cure cancer.. You make worse mistakes today then ya did then.. You k=just like to dig deeper into Jimmy's side, don't you, Mr. Bast? Rememebr.. There is a time of judgement we all will be at one day. I hope you can hold your HEAD up high, then..

But, he never said anything of the sort. And if he did, I did too. It doesn't mean I did or he did....It means it's fun keeping the other person guessing, and if you really knew JImmy, Mr. Bast, you would know that he kept people guessing ALL the time...like he did when he sent you on some errnads....you recal? I won't get detailed here about ALL of them cuz I dont need to embarrass you.....but you know full well what I am talking about so drop the BS and at least be yourself. It's about time. And if by lucky chance your not.. At least you leanred something more about Mr. Bast you haven't before. He's a tell tale exprt cuz he wrte stories. He is a story teller...You know how to write the best ones, Mr Bast... ;-)

BTW: IMDB has it wrong. They have many facts wrong. Silly dude... Have a good day. And remember. Bast was his closest friend. He just forgot to play the part during and after, well.

RJ

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2011 11:25:48 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 16, 2011 8:59:15 PM PDT
RJ says:
William, That was corrected.. wise up man. It's easy to hit the wrong key. thank you for your disparaging condecsension. (You see what I wrote then why the hell would you write it in the first place?)....Patronize me? Point the error of my ways? Really... Well, you accomplished it, now let's get to your facts...shan't we? lol...

You....ehem...Bill Bast has made a ton of personal errors I don't need to get into here. Suffice it to say you can buy the book and see for yourself of all of those errors. Buy all of Bast's books and then come and tell me you are reading frm the SAME AUTHOR of a supposed TRUE and CLOSEST friend and CONFIDANT. Please...Do that for me. I don't think you ever will. You know it. And I know it. But I could be wrong. I made a typo on the keypad with that date so that really makes me unrelieble to the folks. Your right, Billie...oops...William.. ;-)

Ok...You say the airing started on March 25th. The problem is I have direct 1st party knowledge that people saw it on April 1st 1951. It may have not been EASTER SUNDAY but it was on then, too so who are you to say it wasn't? Were you there? I have personal contacts in Fairmount that saw it on April 1st, too. Bill Bast or ...ehem...William, you should do a little more research with the folks in Fairmount, IN. You know...the one on one does better than a google sometimes... ;-)

Listen to me. I don't care if GOD told you that james Dean was Homosexual. He did NOT practice the ART successfully. OK? Got it? I don't care who says what. I know from personal accounts enough to say to you that Jimmy made a lot of practical jokes and pulled many gags on people like you...oh...ehem...On people like Bill Bast... So..If I tell you I am gay. You gonna believe me cuz i said it or because I actual am practicing it? Which? Is someone a Christian, Pagan, "BI", for saying so...or maybe for pretending to please maybe someone else.

In one instance he tried to please Pier Angeli's Mother that he would become a Catholic if she would let him be with Pier. Do you really think that if he did become a Catholic, that he would practice The faith for that reason? Your in space, then...The same is true with those 3rd party persons...They can say anything. Anything isn't always what it appears to be. OK? (Thank you)... Bye now, Bill.

rj

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2011 5:20:19 PM PDT
You're demented.

Easter Sunday 1951 fell on March 25, not April 1.

This is my last post in reply to you.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2011 8:41:54 PM PDT
RJ says:
He was not. You are. You want tomake him something he was never. And if you researched his history you will know thsat a GAY Practicing person doesn't hang around and seriously date opposite sex. You say he was "bi"....Now? You can't have it both ways ....sugar pie! ;-)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2011 8:49:46 PM PDT
RJ says:
with what? whom? can state please so you get a response? Hmmm....

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2011 8:53:48 PM PDT
RJ says:
You said it, Bill.....ehem.....William... ;)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2011 8:57:01 PM PDT
RJ says:
What I am saying is what my point of contacts from Fairmount tell me. They watched Jim's TV airing on Apil 1st. I stand corrected. You are right. March 25th was Easter Sunday! Whose the demented one? The one who criticizes or the one who has the GUTS and KAHONEYS to accept error and correct it, Bill.....ehem...William. ;)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 16, 2011 9:02:12 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 16, 2011 9:04:29 PM PDT
RJ says:
William LaRochelle says: "This is my last post in reply to you." --- Really, Bill...ehem..William?

"What do you want me to say... I'm thrilled ?!" -- From "The Breakfast Club"..

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 20, 2011 12:25:42 PM PDT
RJ says:
I think I made that PUBLIC edifying correction for you, Mr. Billa Bast....ehem...William...When are you going to return the favor? You like and I see you are enjoying your ego and continued savor of condescension.. SUPER. Se, I, on the other hand, can admitt when I am wrong. But this doesn't change the fact that people saw the program perhaps repeated on Sunday April 1st, as well. Were you there, Bill...ehem, William? Maybe you are the all infallible guide on Jimmy Dean and his life? SUPER!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 20, 2011 12:27:54 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 20, 2011 12:28:53 PM PDT
RJ says:
Yes, I may be demented. What then does that make you? An unremitted, egotistical schizophrenic? Oh...sorry...that was someone else beginning with the letter "B".. Hmmm...

"My Last Post To You"....Haven't we heard that already? ;)
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