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Initial post: Jan 18, 2012 9:08:24 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 18, 2012 10:54:06 PM PST
As someone who's reading the current issues and just read #5...if your not reading Snyder's run, you have to do yourself a favor and pre-order this book now.

It's too good to pass up. It's also one half of an the entire 11-issue arc called "Night of the Owls", with various Bat-books getting involved (though Snyder stating you don't need other titles to enjoy this arc).

I'm definitively double-dipping by picking this up with my regular issues.

Posted on Feb 1, 2012 10:19:38 AM PST
Alias says:
While there were a few redeeming aspects to his "Black Mirror" Detective run (excellent character development and mystery) I found the "torture porn" gore and dreary ultra-violence a complete turn-off. The negatives killed the story and seemed to be trying too hard to be edgy and grim (and I'm a big fan of Miller & Morrison's Batman). Synder seems to be aping Morrison except without the fun, creativity and comic book satire that Grant injects. Is this any better than "Black Mirror" or more of the same?

Posted on Feb 7, 2012 8:45:31 AM PST
I am reading the Batman issues and have read Black Mirror, I would say that Court of the Owls is a little bit better. But I really enjoyed Black Mirror and didn't mind what you say is a complete turn-off. I would say Court of the Owls doesn't have hardly any if any of the things you didn't enjoy about Black Mirror. Hope this helps.

Posted on Feb 7, 2012 9:37:01 AM PST
Much like Kathryn mentioned, CoO is really nothing like Black Mirror at all, other then the metaphors for Gotham being a living entity. I enjoyed Black Mirror as well (though I feel it's a wee-bit overrated), but CoO is more like an summer pop corn flick about Bruce Wayne as Batman again, with the other half of the story involving the Bat-family to come back to Gotham and help Bruce in his time of need.

The only gripe you might have (depending on your views of Bruce as Batman) is Snyder's Bruce a bit arrogant, from a certain perspective. He uses a lot of of "I"s when describing himself as the true being of Gotham, and doesn't really want or need the idea of help in the book. And he's the worlds greatest detective, but he literately counts out the Court even existing. If your the worlds greatest detective, you don't count out anything. I can't go any further without giving away plot points, but that' some stuff I see of it.

Other then that, it's well worth checking out.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 15, 2012 5:36:25 PM PDT
I too really dig these issues. It's my favorite of the new 52 along with the new Flash run.

Do you know what other books touch on this story?

Posted on Mar 18, 2012 8:28:09 PM PDT
Kyle Higgins Nightwing run is also a tie-n with Court of Owls. It's not necessary, but it's worth checking out.

Posted on Apr 23, 2012 11:58:12 AM PDT
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Posted on Apr 28, 2012 11:25:31 AM PDT
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I pretty much love all of the stories you listed but I also like all the stories in Black Mirror but I do think this is better than Black Mirror. I say give it a try and if you are not enjoying it then do not buy volume two, but I really think you will. I have heard some people comparing what Snyder is doing to what Frank Miller did, I wouldn't go that far but I really like where he is taking the character. I just picked up Gates of Gotham and I can not wait to get it read. But then again anything Batman I enjoy but I'm just another of those Batfreaks.

Posted on Apr 29, 2012 9:39:36 PM PDT
I'm re-reading the new Knightfall Vol.1, and I think Snyder's CoO is more comparable to that. Knightfall is all about establishing the new villain up to Batman's level with Bane (The Talon or Talons with CoO). They both also are the rare times in Batman mythos that really details pushing Batman to the limit of his very being, both physically and mentally (I can't tell you specifically about that in CoO) . And both are reasonably long arcs (but Knightfall is ridiculously long).

The comparison to Miller is absurd. Not denouncing either Snyder or Miller, but Snyder's only made 2 story arcs for Batman (1 for Dick Grayson and 1 for Bruce Wayne so far) and it's crazy people are putting his stuff on that level of influence. I wait 10 years for every writers work to qualify as "legendary".

But will you like this? I really think so. It's a big Blockbuster0action book. Give Vol.1 a shot and see.

Posted on Apr 29, 2012 10:39:01 PM PDT
I have ordered Knightfall but I have yet to read it ever, but I'm sure it is a much better comparison than the ones I heard to Miller. Other than that I agree 100% with you. But to be fair it is 3 right? His run in DC with Dick (collected in Black Mirror), this ongoing storyline, and Gates of Gotham (I have but have yet to read... need to).

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 30, 2012 6:34:10 AM PDT
Slim Cat says:
Nice catch, but, Gates of Gotham was a group of writers. Scott Snyder and Kyle Higgins are credited with the story and then Kyle Higgins and Ryan Parrott are credited with the dialogue. So maybe Snyder's arcs are up to 2 1/2? Haha. I cannot wait for this trade to come out and the Night of Owls, sometime early next year? :( And then whatever comes next!

Posted on Apr 30, 2012 8:53:58 AM PDT
Oh alright thanks Cat, I didn't realize it wasn't all him but I figured it would be a great read either way. Also yeah can't wait for Night of the Owls trade.

Posted on Apr 30, 2012 11:14:47 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 30, 2012 11:15:44 AM PDT
Like Slim Cat mentioned, Gates of Gotham is plot-written by Snyder, that's it. But that's what I mean by the absurdity in why people are comparing Snyder to Millers work (or better). He's such a hot writer right now, people are biased in his favor right now. I know a lot of people who think Gates of Gotham is ALL Snyder just because his names on it, which they disregard Higgins and Parrott's work too. That's crazy.

I know Snyder is a hell of a good writer and nice guy (I dressed up as the Talon for WonderCon and Snyder took pictures with me and offered me every issues of Night of the Owls signed by him in the mail)...but there is way too much love at his work right now, where people aren't really being critiqueful of his work. Is it a lot of fun? Oh yeah. But people are riding the gravy train though.

Posted on Apr 30, 2012 12:50:35 PM PDT
Yeah I didn't think Black Mirror was all it was cracked up to be (but still good). I thought Gates was all him but I only picked it up because the guy at the shop I was at told me it kind of went along with COtO.

Posted on May 16, 2012 8:47:38 PM PDT
Hitman. says:
I did not care that much for Knightfall. I'm not really sure WHY exactly. I enjoyed the hell out of CoO Volume one though. I would highly recommend it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 5:31:14 PM PDT
tvtv3 says:
It's basically more of the same, but without some of the originality that BATMAN: THE BLACK MIRROR had.

Posted on Jun 16, 2012 7:40:35 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 16, 2012 7:43:08 PM PDT
yeah I am enjoying the new Batman, but it's not particularly original. it seems kind of purposely designed to be a kind of Geoff Johns-esque mash up of flashy cliches (which isn't necessarily a bad thing). those who have read it already have surely noticed it kinda following the blueprint of the successful Morrison storyline (plug in some reworked silver age characters, ancient evil gotham/Wayne conspiracy, possible old family members returning, etc), but kind of simplified and compressed. like I said, I like it, because those ARE the kind of Batman stories I like and it's got it's own style that's good enough to make it interesting and not just feel like a rehash, but in the end Snyder is not really doing anything new or different with the character like Miller did back in the day.

Posted on Jul 8, 2012 8:14:18 PM PDT
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Alias says:
Yeah, this is one I'm skipping. I liked the Court of Owls the first time.....when it was called "Batman R.I.P." I have not been impressed with Snyder's writing since the cheap "B-movie" schlock of 'Black Mirror'. I've read A LOT of Batman and Snyder just doesn't 'feel' like Batman. The Court of Owls is just waaaayyyy too derivitive of the Black Glove. I love Morrison's work but Snyder is a pale substitute. And the big soap opera plot twist in Batman #10 is completely stupid and cheap. It's too much like the James Jr. fiasco in 'Black Mirror.' Terrible, terrible plot device that makes all the characters look incredibly inept and stupid.

In reply to an earlier post on Jul 10, 2012 10:01:14 AM PDT
Ragdoll says:
Finally someone who gets it. Snyder is hugely overrated.

Posted on Aug 20, 2012 10:45:05 PM PDT
Ryan says:
Snyder said the Owl stuff spins from his contribution to Gates of Gotham

I like Snyder's Severed, and Swamp Thing, but didn't think his Batman was fantastic. It didn't stop me from getting tpb's of it or anything, but when you think about it, Court/Night of Owls isn't that original: it's just Earth 3 Batman's (Owlman, the evil Batman) origin. It's not that original giving Bruce a brother when you realize that brother already existed in a different reality for years, and his name wasn't even altered here.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 21, 2012 6:42:30 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Sep 5, 2012 8:12:35 AM PDT
Alias says:
It's not only un-original it's also just plain stupid.

Spoilers Ahead:

Batman has an evil brother who Thomas and Martha Wayne abandoned and now this evil Wayne dresses up as an owl? HA! That's as stupid as it gets and completely ruins the Batman mythology. It makes the Waynes look like terrible parents (like Jim Gordon in Black Mirror) and it makes Bruce less special as he's no longer the only heir to the empire. There are now essentially TWO Waynes who can do exactly the same thing - Batman is no longer unique. Snyder already gave Jim Gordon an evil son, now he's given Batman an evil brother - maybe they can all hang out with Jason Todd and wear evil eye-patches and twirl their evil mustaches.

In reply to an earlier post on Aug 21, 2012 11:33:58 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Aug 21, 2012 11:35:10 PM PDT
Ryan says:
There were essentially two Waynes that do the same thing already:,_Jr._%28Antimatter_Universe%29

Snyder just said "Well, this character obviously must exist on DC's Earth, especially with Flashpoint's time shift, so let's explain what happened to Owlman on 'our' Earth: he became Talon"

You can pretty much take Court/Night of Owls and say the evil Batman from the other Earth just followed what he would have done in the other Earth anyway, only Bruce is dead in his reality while alive in the normal one.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 2, 2012 12:53:22 AM PDT
Thanks for the spoiler, ya big mean jerk!

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 4, 2012 11:49:34 AM PDT
Mad Love says:
Okay how does Black Mirror make Jim Gordon a bad parent? Because he had a child with a chemical imbalance? How does that have anything to do with Jim Gordon other than blaming his semen.

Plus I'm not sold on whether or not Bruce's parents were good parents.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 5, 2012 8:24:05 AM PDT
Alias says:
Sorry if I spoiled uf for you - I put a warning in so it wouldn't happen again. Batman #10 has been out for a couple months now and it's all over the internet. I thought it was pretty well known by now.

@Mad Love
Giving Jim Gordon's son a "chemical imbalance" is one thing - making him a psychotic seriel killer in the vein of Hannibal Lector is another. James Jr represented hope for the future in "Year One" and now Snyder's stupid twist completely cheapens the character. Jim Gordon has had so many terrible things happen to him with his daughter and wife, and I guess Snyder thought "oh let's pile it on with making his son a deranged murderer." It's bad storytelling. Gordon's character really doesn't deserve to have the spawn of his loins turn out to be a twisted killer. As Batman said in "Dark Knight" - "sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded." And the Waynes may not have been good parents - we don't know for sure and that makes it interesting. Snyder has now left it no doubt that they were nasty people. Bruce's parents should be martyrs of his crusade - people that inspire from beyond the grave. But hey - let's make all the once noble characters in the Batman mythology evil for shock value. Once again, cheap, lazy storytelling that wallows in over-the-top pessimism.
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