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Age of Em, The MP3 CD – MP3 Audio, November 8, 2016

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Robots may one day rule the world, but what is a robot-ruled Earth like?

Many think the first truly smart robots will be brain emulations, or ems. Scan a human brain, then run a model with the same connections on a fast computer, and you have a robot brain, but recognizably human.

Train an em to do some job and copy it a million times; an army of workers is at your disposal. When they can be made cheaply, within perhaps a century, ems will displace humans in most jobs. In this new economic era, the world economy may double in size every few weeks.

Some say we can't know the future, especially following such a disruptive new technology, but Professor Robin Hanson sets out to prove them wrong. Applying decades of expertise in physics, computer science, and economics, he uses standard theories to paint a detailed picture of a world dominated by ems.

While human lives don't change greatly in the em era, em lives are as different from ours as our lives are from those of our farmer and forager ancestors. Ems make us question common assumptions of moral progress, because they reject many of the values we hold dear.

Read about em mind speeds, body sizes, job training and career paths, energy use and cooling infrastructure, virtual reality, aging and retirement, death and immortality, security, wealth inequality, religion, teleportation, identity, cities, politics, law, war, status, friendship, and love.

This book shows you just how strange your descendants may be, though ems are no stranger than we would appear to our ancestors. To most ems, it seems good to be an em.

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  • Publisher ‏ : ‎ Audible Studios on Brilliance Audio; Unabridged edition (November 8, 2016)
  • Language ‏ : ‎ English
  • ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 1536619590
  • ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-1536619591
  • Item Weight ‏ : ‎ 3.5 ounces
  • Dimensions ‏ : ‎ 6.5 x 0.63 x 5.5 inches
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  • Reviewed in the United States on October 2, 2016
    For those who are intellectually curious and willing to engage in serious discussions about cities filled with trillions of emulate human minds, you should read this book. It was one of the most fascinating nonfiction books I read in the past decade. Even though this review is quite long, the book and subject matter are complex enough that it is virtually impossible to hit on every important point so I will just give a few.
    This book is unique to say the least. I fear many sci fi fans will pick it up, read the first few pages. and then fall into a state of deep confusion. It is more or less its own new category of thing, perhaps it could be called "speculative future economic history"? I am unsure. I am also unsure about the overlap between people who can appreciate and understand this book and people who won’t scoff off hand at the premise, but Hanson takes this unconventional topic deadly seriously.

    Things I liked
    - I would elect Hanson as one of the first people to study an alien world. He manages to paint a world far different from ours in vivid detail and without the typical lens or moralizing one sees. While science fiction is filled with either blue modern humans or impossible space monsters, the world of ems is populated by humans that are farther from our reckoning than either. For most readers I would imagine that he is describing the most alien world they have yet to encounter(myself included).
    -Despite his constant insistence to the contrary, after finishing the book I felt the most to be gained was not so much the actual conclusions from the analysis but the process of the analysis itself. Following Hanson’s train of thought can be a fascinating example of how economics can be used to think about outcomes of wildly foreign scenarios. In addition, this book provides a good introduction and application of many concepts in Hanson’s world view: foragers vs farmers, signaling etc. Which are valuable ideas very much worth considering. It also presents some other ideas of his that are highly interesting though unlikely(see futarchy).
    -The world itself is highly immersive and novel, you can spend hours daydreaming about the implications.
    Criticisms

    -Some highly technical parts that don’t seem to add too much- I might have moved the physics section to the appendix. As it stands, it is currently almost like a wall before the very interesting analysis(if you find yourself not too engaged with it I would recommend skipping it) . On the other hand, some of his key assumptions did not gain support in the physics section. For instance how easy it would be to switch speeds is vital to much of the analysis though not really discussed.
    -I am somewhat doubtful about speed and the number of future ems- In Hanson’s future, meat bag humans are not really productive. Humans simply own pieces of things and are fabulously wealthy through millions of ems are willing to serve them in exchange for a small chunk of what they own. Due to high levels of competition that easy copying creates, ems will be pushed down to a subsistence level. This means that for extra ems to exist, they essentially need to bring about an increase in power, cooling, and hardware produced roughly equal to that required for them to exist. There will be other types of consumption of course, such as VR environments, for which only a few could serve many, but for the most part, ems need to focus on producing things that will keep them alive. It is very similar to farmers of old, their productivity was little above their own ability to support themselves, so few other specialists were possible (little in terms of percentage, this could still mean a millions of other specialists given a large enough population). But if newly created ems could produce significantly more cooling/energy/hardware required for their existence it would be profitable to make more until they, once again, are brought down to being able to produce only roughly enough for their existence.
    Though logistics are an important part of any modern production (and in many cases could benefit from higher speed ems, as could research and development). Much of cooling and power production are linked to physical processes which probably would not benefit from very fast ems(which would take away many of the interesting parts of the analysis). In addition, it is unclear whether or not such forms of production could benefit vastly from several thousand times more labor. If not, this would also put a much lower limit on the size of future em cities.
    -Lasers vs shotguns- I feel that in his enthusiasm to show what can be done, Hanson tended to spread out ideas too much, a shotgun blast of conjecture if you will(some of these side predications, though the most likely prediction we can currently make, are still so unlikely, it hardly seems worth discussing them). I felt the book could have benefited from focusing on the key big predictions, though I do understand the intent.

    Criticisms of others criticisms
    -One constant criticism I see floating around is that ems will be much more like toasters than humans, which would undermine a great deal of the book. I honestly can’t see this as likely however. For most tasks, reducing a brain to that level of an “unfeeling system” seems unlikely to yield the best results in most applications. Any creature possessing sufficient need of fluid intelligence to perform tasks in their environment seem to possess traits that we would associate with feeling beings. To think that it is all an evolutionary glitch and we would be better suited for survival and productivity had we been designed without the need of breaks/play etc seems odd to me. Such tasks are unlikely to benefit from ems to begin with vs. standard automation.
    Now this does not preclude people from living in Kafkaesque nightmares (from our current perspectives). A person could for instance experience a reverse groundhog day, they start each shift refreshed and ready to work on their relatively repetitive chore knowing that the shift will only last about eight hours. At the end of their shift they clock out, are erased and replaced with the version of themselves that started the last shift. Though there are few such repetitive tasks that would be both too complicated for automation and at the same time not complicated enough to require memory of the previous day’s work.
    More complex tasks would most likely require not only fluid intelligence, and with it require ems to possess at least some elements of that which we recognize as human, but also project specific experience.
    Romance seems more plausibly something that might be eliminated in the em world due to either self selection of asexual humans or libido suppression(which is able to already be done in modern humans).

    other notes-
    While reading the book I kept thinking that it would make an amazing setting for stories. I hope that one day a science fiction author will pick it up.
    Hanson displays a good amount of humility, he is not trying the say this exact scenario will happen, instead he is arguing given that there is some chance it will it is worth giving thorough analysis.
    If you made it through this entire review chances are you would benefit by picking up a copy. Since reading it several months ago, I still find my thoughts constantly drifting to this strange world and its strange implications.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on July 28, 2016
    Fascinating read, but a bit heavy on the technical/economic details.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on July 28, 2016
    This book is about the "Em", a virtual human mind with no physical body. Remember The Matrix (1999)? It's like that, but there's no hairless Keanu Reeves in a pink goo pod. Instead, Neo is just a file on a computer, in a server rack somewhere. If we need Neo to do two things at once, we can just copy him (just like movie-Neo copied all those guns). If we decide Neo is 'the best of the best' at something, we might copy him a trillion times, and erase his competitors. The copies are just as human as you or I.

    The book is important for two reasons.

    The first is that it directly concerns the welfare of trillions of future lives (who may suffer under slavery, total dictatorship, torture, and constant genocide, or who alternatively may live in a paradise of comfort, meaningful work, and total fulfillment). Small actions, taken early enough, could have a big impact on the Age of Em; this book gives us that head start.

    Secondly, the book is important in its focus on values. Hanson demonstrates that values are a biological adaptation like any other (the bird's wings, or the fish's scales) and that nature and nurture conspire to ensure that animals end up with productive values. While you may value "family" or "free time", your decedents might be workaholics with no family at all (for reasons beyond their control). As a result, if EMs could meet their ancestors, they might be confused or disgusted.

    In other words, this Age threatens to erase, from the world, everything that you believe is important.

    This book is essentially an encyclopedia of predictions about the future. These predictions are derived using mainstream social science, and they are clear and concise.

    This book is also an extremely *efficient* tour of psych research. Anyone who reads this book two or three times over would probably know as much, or more, as someone graduating with a Psych BA from a leading university. This is because Hanson cherry picks the highest-relevance items. It's also because, by stepping *outside* our Age, it is a little easier to see it for what it is (and, by comparing multiple Ages, one gets a sense of which features are Age-based [and, on what] and which are permanent).

    The book is frustrating in that the factual predictions mostly take place in the next century. It's like watching someone hand in an exam, and waiting 100 years to see it get graded; no "payoff". And imagine, for a moment, that a hunter-gather sat down to write a book about the Next Era. Would he get it mostly right? Or, would it be so wrong, that reading it would be a waste of time? One can argue that we have more "data on eras" now, but, alternatively, the very power-laws these data seem to obey, could be used to argue precisely the opposite (ie, that the pre-X "data" aren't representative). The introduction notwithstanding, it is hard to see how the book's ideas affect anyone or anything in our reality. It's hard to get invested.

    Correspondingly, my favorite section, "Dreamtime" had a higher (data & logic)/predictions ratio. It had nothing to do with EMs specifically, instead, Dreamtime simply reminded us of our place in the history of mankind. And it suggests that, of all the decisions that ever were made or will be made by anyone, only those of our Era will really matter. It's flattering and sobering, overwhelming and motivating. (And it is in the free Amazon preview section.)

    I'm happy with my choice of Favorite Section, because I think a focus on "whether or not Hanson's EM Era actually arrives" is sorta missing the point. Instead, the point is that we should raise our game -- predictions about the future should be of approximately *this level* of breadth, detail, effort, and empirical corroboration.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on June 13, 2016
    As an economist interested in AI, this book appealed to me greatly (so I pre-ordered it). I was extremely disappointed. I found it poorly written and badly organized (e.g. in the 'Implementation' Chapter the author discusses the possibilities of Mental Theft before describing the required Hardware).
    The style of the book is as follows. Use a combination of Physics, CS and engineering on the one side and observations about our world on the other to predict the environment in which EMs will live. These conclusions are often unwarranted. For instance, we learn that cities today induce productivity gain according to a power of its size and that the cost of cooling down em cities will be logarithmic in its size. From this, the author concludes that there will be mega-cities, without explaining which are the gains from agglomeration in cities and whether these gains will be present in Em cities (faster interactions seem to matter little for reasonably large areas).
    What I found most puzzling is the simplified theory that the author holds about the current world. He claims that the efficient world would have no differentiation or variety because of economies of scale, assuming that almost anything that pushes to individuality is a maladaptation. Individual values, therefore, are also a maladaptation and he even argues that Ems will be more religious because individualism is related to atheism (so is culture and scientific knowledge, which Ems presumably will have in bunches).
    Overall, one of the worst pop-science books I have ever read.
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  • C Rempel
    5.0 out of 5 stars More people should read this book than will, it ...
    Reviewed in Canada on September 28, 2016
    More people should read this book than will, it is much more accessible to the lay reader than the title and feel of the physical copy. Mr. Hanson has a way of gently leading your thought process into new territory without the reader feeling lost. If you are interested in the future, period, this work should be part of your collection.
  • Alex M. S.
    1.0 out of 5 stars No puedo recomendarlo, aburrido
    Reviewed in Spain on July 4, 2016
    Me ha parecido muy aburrido y no he podido pasar del primer tercio.

    Pensaba que hablaria sobre inteligencia artificial, robotica y temas afines, pero solo se centra en los "em", mentes humanas digitalizadas. Y la manera de tratarlas no es interesante, al menos para mi.
  • Amazon Kunde
    5.0 out of 5 stars Sehr gutes Buch
    Reviewed in Germany on July 3, 2016
    Sehr gute und durchdachte These, wie sich die AI Technik entwickeln könnte und welche Auswirkungen dies auf die Gesellschaft hätte. Wer spektakuläre Science Fiction erwartet wird enttäuscht. Wer jedoch eine interessante und fundierte Analyse einer möglichen Zukunft lesen möchte wird hieran viel Freude haben!
  • MikeH
    5.0 out of 5 stars A fascinating account of a possible future, with a ...
    Reviewed in the United Kingdom on June 9, 2016
    A fascinating account of a possible future, with a rigorous application of social science to derive what could happen . Given the accomplishments of the author, this book is a must read for those who wish to make sense of the many scenarios that could play out
  • hps
    3.0 out of 5 stars Taschenspieler Trick
    Reviewed in Germany on March 27, 2020
    Der Autor wendet in diesem Buch einen bekannten Taschenspieler Trick an. Man gehe von einer schnell und vor allem beiläufig gemachten Ersthypothese aus. Darauf baue man flott und faszinierend eine komplizierte Struktur auf. Der Leser ist vom Verlauf der Erzählung begeistert. Die fesselnde Geschichte hält den Leser so gefangen, dass er dieses fehlerhafte Konstrukt, die windige Prämisse der ganzen Geschichte, nicht mehr erinnert.

    Also was und wie macht er es hier in diesem Buch?

    Er sagt auf Seite 51, dass die Erzeugung einer Kopie, einer Emulation (EM) eines echten Gehirns auf eine Maschine so einfach ist wie die Übertragung eines Betriebssystems - sagen wir Windows - von einem PC auf ein macOS.

    Betriebssystem Portation zwischen verschiedenen Computern ist zwar nicht so einfach, wird aber tatsächlich gemacht.

    Mit dieser wahren Darstellung des Portierens eines Betriebssystems zwischen verschiedenen Computern im zweiten Teil seines Satzes, versucht er die Wahrheit des ersten Teils des Satzes zu implizieren. Dass dies bei einer personalen Übertragung von Mensch auf Maschine genauso sei. Was einfach mehr als abstrus ist.

    Darum gibt es auch keinerlei Referenzen zu wissenschaftlichen oder labormäßigen Arbeiten in dieser Richtung. Eine verzweifelt aus der Luft gezogene Behauptung, um die 426 Seiten eines Buches unterhaltsam zu füllen.

    Wie den Hasen aus dem Zylinder, zieht er nun die ganze Story des Lebens und des Leidens der EMs daran hoch.

    Und weil die Erzeugung einer EM so einfach ist, schreiten wir auf der nächsten Seite munter fort. Dass dies zeitlich zwar noch ein Jahrhundert dauern könne. Aber immerhin könnten diese EMs uns bei der Realisierung des Ziels einer super human Atificial Intelligence helfen. Das wäre eine noch viel weiter in der Zukunft liegende Angelegenheit. Verworren und sonderbar.

    Ein gutes Science Fiction Buch.