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UPDATE:
I finally figured out the problem with Echo Spatial Perception (ESP). What it turned out is who the Dot is registered to. AKA, who did the set up initially. For instance ... My wife has the Amazon Prime account. I am a member of her household. Some of the Dot's in our house are "registered" to me and others to her. It depended on which of us set them up that day. Even though we can switch accounts on the dots to make them the same for things like music and skills, ESP will not work across the "registered" account. Look in the settings, pick a Dot, then look for "Device is registered to:". It has to be the same name for every Dot you want to share ESP. Once I deregistered the ones my wife registered and then set them up again using my credentials, ESP works. For those nervous about deregistering one, it is easy and all settings stayed after I set it up again. I only had to press the "on" button to make the ring turn orange so it would set up again.
I said below that the Harmony skill is no good. It only took a couple of days later for Logitech to come up with their own skill. That skill works better than IFTTT. The key word is "Turn On" and "Turn Off". Those make more sense. Read my review in the skill itself for more details. It has some limitations such as if you have too many alias names of just channel numbers, it gets confused when you speak them, and it can't tell the difference between FX and FXX. Otherwise, it is pretty slick.
I installed the ToDoist app on my phone and tablet. I really like it's widget better than the other to do list app that Echo supports. It is pretty cool. I can now see and edit my to do and shopping lists much easier using a widget on my tablet and phone. My wife also has it installed so we get those lists shared. There are some tricks to doing it, but it works well. It is also bi-directional if you do it right. You have to use the built in Inbox only as the To-Do list. If you try to move things or rename them, they don't sync. Also, don't set due dates, or make them today or earlier or they won't sync until they are due. Once you set up the link, it will create a Project List called "Alexa Shopping List". Use that one to keep the shopping list in sync.
I installed an Echo Dot for my father in his 80's who is not tech savvy. It kind of works. He has a problem speaking fast enough for it to not quit listening. And, he stumbles and says some words twice. Alexa isn't smart enough to know what to do with that. They listen to the TV loud, and the Echo Dots can not hear very well to begin with, so she often does not understand them. I have them mostly using it with the Harmony Hub to control the TV. This is so they do not have to remember how to switch between local over the air channels and satellite ones. It only understands them about half of the time. That is not enough. Alexa needs to learn to listen better. I have trained her a couple of times with their voices and it does not help. I even did a reset and started over and that did not help either. She is just not good at understanding old people who talk slow and may slur words a bit. My Dad also has a thick upper Midwest accent. One of the channels he likes is 13. She doesn't always understand when he is trying to tell her to "Turn On 13".
ORIGINAL:
We have 6 Amazon Echo Dots. 1 is still in a box and is going to an elderly couple if I become confident enough in how well it works. 1 is on a separate Amazon account I created just to use with the Echo Dot. This is due to the limitation in the shopping list and to do list. The other 4 are in an Amazon Household with myself and my wife. They are in locations of Upstairs, Downstairs, Bedroom, and Office. Upstairs and Office are within easy voice range of each other. I had to rename Office to Amazon due to it responding when I did not want it to.
Setup is pretty easy. You must have a mobile device to set one up. After that you can go to alexa.amazon.com to manage them. The first one is part of the mobile applications install and setup. After that you can add another dot inside the app. Each person in a household can set any of them up. That dot becomes registered to that person. It does not seem to matter who sets them up other than the default name given to the dot. I don't mean the wake word name of Alexa. I mean the device name. It uses your amazon account name "Bob's Echo Dot" as the name. The second dot gets "Bob's Echo Dot 2".
In the app you can go to Settings and rename them like I did to Upstairs, Downstairs, and so on.
One irritation is there is a video during the setup that you can not fast forward through or by pass. You have to watch it.
It is worth looking at Things to Try in the app. You may get some new ideas for how to talk to Alexa.
Changing the Wake Word is also in Settings under the individual dot device. There are only 3 names you can give it. Alexa, Amazon, and Echo. This comes in handy when you have more than one in the same room. For instance, I have one named Amazon and one named Echo in my office. Amazon is part of the Household while Echo is for me to have my own shopping list and to-do lists by using a different Amazon account. It is not in the same amazon household as the rest of them. Particularly, it is my test dot for figuring out if I can set one up for my parents to use some day.
You will want to tell each device what it's Device Location is. It guesses, but mine were not quite right. That is in setup in the app.
Let me start with what does not work. You want to know that first, right? ;-)
ESP is the feature that they said the dots would ship with to keep more than one from responding at the same time. It does not work. Any dot that hears my voice responds. I have had multiple entries added to the shopping list due to this. Sometimes the Upstairs dot and the Bedroom dot respond if I am in the hallway. The office and upstairs both respond if I am in the dining room. Only upstairs answers if I am in the living room. Only downstairs answers if I am downstairs. But, if I am in the kitchen sometimes both upstairs and downstairs respond since the stairs are near by! I have a question into support why this feature does not work.
Next are the things I consider serious limitations.
There is only one shopping list and one to-do list. There are multiple people in this household. At the very least let each account have it's own lists.
You can not delete anything from the lists with your voice. You have to use the app or the web interface.
Traffic is hard coded to one start point and one end point only. It is not dynamic.
Alexa can not play a particular message like "Time for Bob to take his morning pills." If it could do this based on a particular alarm time it would be very much more useful! It needs to repeat until someone says "Alexa, Stop" also, so someone is sure to hear it.
You have to understand some terminology before I go on.
At the top of the nomenclature there are devices. Each Echo Dot is a device. Each device has a Device Name. That is changed in Settings.
Each device has it's own Wake Word. That is the "name" you call out to wake the Echo Dot up. Alexa, Amazon, or Echo.
Every Dot is in an Amazon Household. A household may only have one person's Amazon account in it, or it may have multiple people like we have. 4 of the dots are in an amazon household shared with my wife and I. 1 is in a amazon household with only (a different) me in it using a different email address as the account holder.
You need to understand these differences because some features are specific to a single dot device, some are shared between devices, some are shared between household accounts, and some are particular to each individual account in a household.
Each dot can be in a different account if it's in a household. Ask "Alexa, What account are you in" to find out the account name. It is easy to change them. Say "Alexa, switch account". It will change to the other account. I assume if you have more than 2 in a household it will ask which one to switch to. Our household only has 2 user accounts in it.
Each dot device has it's own Timers and Alarms. They are not shared across devices at all. If you set an alarm in the bedroom, only the bedroom echo dot will make an alarm noise when it is time. You can pick from a list of alarm sounds and there are some celebrity voices with pre-set words in that list. You can not add your own alarm sound. You have to use one of the provided sounds.
I already said that there is only one set of Shopping Lists and To-Do lists. The entire amazon household shares one set of lists. It does not matter the context of which user account is active. The list is the same. This is one of the things I consider a serious limitation.
I don't have books, but my wife does. I will skip that part and talk about music. Pandora in particular. I set up my Pandora account with credentials in the app. Once I did that I can tell it "Alexa, play Pandora <my favorite> station". It looks for a station by that name and plays it. Once you play that station, you can skip the station name if you want the same one as it assumes you want the same station again. If the device is currently in my wife's account it will not play my Pandora station. I have to tell it to switch accounts to mine. Then it will play. This is one example of how there are contexts in each dot. Each dot in the same amazon household has all of my Pandora information available. But, unless that particular dot device is currently using my account name, it does not know what to do.
The same goes for skills. Skills are shared across all dots in a household, but they are particular to each account name in that household. This gets complicated later when I will talk about IFTTT.
I have the skill for my thermostat set up in both accounts. If it were only in my account then when I say "Alexa, raise the temperature upstairs 1 degree", it would only work with my account. Since I wanted it to work in both, it is simple enough to install that skill in each account separately so it will work from both. Now with that skill added in both accounts, it does not matter who's account is active, any dot in any room will change the temperature when asked to.
If on the other hand, I wanted a special skill that is only available in my account, I could just add it to my account and not my wife's. I don't have any reason to do this yet, but you could do it. Keep in mind that a simple "Alexa, Switch Accounts" would make that skill available to anyone in the voice range of Alexa!
Flash briefing is particular to the user account name. My wife has one set of news and I have another. News kind of sucks. It is hard to get out of it once it starts and it drones on and on forever. Saying "Alexa, skip" works through the news, but it seems to want to keep going back to play more news even if I say stop! I may be saying the wrong key words yet. There may be a special command I don't know about that stops news and resets it back to the beginning of the news.
Traffic is a joke. You have to set up the app with where to start from and where you are going. You only get one start address and one destination. To change them you have to go into the app or the web interface. You can not use your voice to change that. The traffic is particular to each account inside a household. My wife gets one traffic setting and I get one. I guess you could say we have 2 by using Switch Account to check the other one. I really want to be able to tell it both a start and destination addresses via voice and ask how long it will take.
I set up my Google Calendar. It appears that you can only have one main calendar "service". I don't remember what choices I had for what kind of calendar. There may have been more than just Google Calendar as the choice. Google allows me to have multiple calendars, but that is a feature of Google Calendar, not Alexa. Alexa lets you pick which of the Google calendars it includes. Since my wife and I share our Google calendars with each other, having the one Google calendar works since I can set the dots up to see both of our calendars. What it does NOT do, is tell me which calendar the event is on. I also have special Google Calendars like Holidays, Stardates, and Phases of the moon. If I include them Alexa will let me know the stardate each time I ask what's on my calendar today. :-) If I uncheck Stardates and Phases of the Moon in the app, they no longer get read back to me, but Holidays are. All new entries are added to only one calendar inside google. You set that ahead of time and can not use your voice to pick a different one. For example, I chose my wife's google calendar which she shares with me as the default one to add events too. I did this because my other dot, the one I named Echo on my own account, is set up to add events to my own calendar. That way I can add events to one or the other by talking to the stand alone dot that is not in our regular amazon household to add to my personal calendar or by talking to any of the other dots to add it to my wife's calendar. Simply, if I say "Alexa, add Meet at Joe's Bar on the 23rd at 6 PM". Alexa will repeat back what she thinks you asked for and if you answer "yes" it gets added to my wife's calendar. If I say the same thing, but to Echo, it gets added to my personal Calendar. However, since both Amazon households are set up with the same Google Calendar, when I ask either one "What's on my calendar for today.", they all tell me everything on all of the calendars. That being, my wife's, mine, and Holidays. Again, if I have Stardates checked on in the app, it will start with what today's stardate is. Calendars seems to work across all devices and across all accounts in a household. My wife did not set up her own Google calendar in her own account. I am not sure what would happen if my wife tried to add her own calendar under her account. That may make the calendar become account context sensitive. It works the way we want now, so no hurry to test it any further. Using the calendar is very easy. Ask "Alexa, What is on my calendar for December 25th", and Alexa tells me. Seems to work very well so far.
IF This Then That!
So you want Alexa to do a little more than she can right now? Check out the ifttt.com web page. It is not a skill that Alexa knows, instead Alexa is a skill that IFTTT knows! I don't want to review IFTTT, but I want to talk a little about limitations. IFTTT has something called Recipes. A recipe is simple a fill in the blank command set. If <something happens> Then Do <something else>. IFTTT is used, after setting it up a recipe, by saying "Alexa, Trigger, <keywords>". Trigger is the only word that tells IFTTT to do something. I wish it could be different, but it is not. Keywords is something you set up in IFTTT to start it doing something. For example ... I have a Harmony Hub remote system. I first teach Harmony some Activities. Activities is a concept in Harmony that is more commonly called a macro. Name them unique things. I have Activities called Watch Dish, Watch FX, Watch DVD, Volume Up 1, Volume Up 3, Volume Down 1, Volume Down 3, and TV Off. I teach IFTTT to listen for those same names and if it hears them from Alexa, to send that Activity name to the Harmony Hub. I can say things like "Alexa, Trigger, Watch Dish". Alexa responds "Sending Watch DISH to IFTTT". In IFTTT I have a recipe of "If Alexa says Watch Dish, Then Send the Activity Watch Dish to Harmony". IFTTT sends that Activity to the Harmony Hub, and the Harmony Hub sends all the commands I taught it (the macro) to turn everything on (like the TV, Soundbar, and Dish Reciever) and then set the TV to the Dish HDMI input. This all happens across the cloud in about a second of delay time. I set up Volume Up|Down 1 and 3 so that I could vocally tell Alexa to tell IFTTT to tell Harmony to turn the volume up or down without the remote. Since each Activity is a macro on it's own I need one that turns the volume up 1 click and another for 3 clicks to make it faster if I want more than just one volume up click. If I wanted more options I would have to create each as an Activity (aka macro). In the real world, changing the volume is easier from the remote. I made these as practice to see how hard it would be to program Alexa to control almost every thing I would want to do with the TV. Although I can tell it to go to a specific channel, doing things like pulling up a menu and selecting things will be much more complex. Not impossible, but it would make for a LOT of Activities that I would need to teach/program to Harmony, IFTTT, and Alexa. This actually works quite well!
BTW: If you find a skill that does Harmony directly in Alexa, it is not nearly as good as IFTTT. I am not reviewing that skill right now. I just didn't find that it did what I needed it to do.
IFTTT can do a lot of crazy things. The Harmony Hub things above are about the best example of how it integrates with Alexa. Alexa is a one way device though. It doesn't mind telling IFTTT what to do, but it will not listen back from IFTTT. I wish it would so I could set alarms in Alexa from IFTTT.
IFTTT is like a skill as far as accounts in a household go. My wife and I both have IFTTT accounts. When I set up Alexa in IFTTT, it asked what account I wanted to use. I used mine. So now if the dot is using her account it will say it does not know the IFTTT Trigger word. I say "Alexa Switch Account", and then it works since it will be in my account context again. It is available on every dot device in the amazon household, but you have to be in the account it is set up for to work. If my wife were to set up her IFTTT account to talk to her Alexa account, then it would work for her account, but only with recipes she set up in her IFTTT account. As I said a while ago, this gets complicated! Each IFTTT account will ONLY listen to a single account in an Amazon Household. When a dot is in a particular household account, it will only send the keywords to that IFTTT account and not to both. So, although the IFTTT accounts are shared to all dots in an Amazon Household, the spoken keywords will only be sent to the IFTTT account that is tied to that particular Amazon account.
That's all for now!
So far I am enjoying the Echo Dots. They have some growing yet, but not bad for a Second Generation.
4 Stars because it has some serious limitations.
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Technical Details
Echo Dot
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Size |
1.3” x 3.3” x 3.3” (32 mm x 84 mm x 84 mm) |
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Weight |
5.7 oz. (163 grams) Actual size and weight may vary by manufacturing process |
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Wi-Fi connectivity |
Dual-band Wi-Fi supports 802.11 a/b/g/n (2.4 and 5 GHz) networks. Does not support connecting to ad-hoc (or peer-to-peer) Wi-Fi networks. |
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Bluetooth connectivity |
Advanced Audio Distribution Profile (A2DP) support for audio streaming from your mobile device to Echo Dot or from Echo Dot to your Bluetooth speaker. Audio/Video Remote Control Profile (AVRCP) for voice control of connected mobile devices. Hands-free voice control is not supported for Mac OS X devices. Bluetooth speakers requiring PIN codes are not supported. |
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Audio |
Built-in speaker for voice feedback when not connected to external speakers. 3.5 mm stereo audio output for use with external speakers (audio cable not included). |
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System Requirements |
Echo Dot comes ready to connect to your Wi-Fi. The Alexa App is compatible with Fire OS, Android, and iOS devices and also accessible via your web browser. A list of supported operating systems can be found here. Certain skills and services may require subscription or other fees. |
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Warranty and Service |
90-day limited warranty and service. Optional 1-year, 2-year, and 3-year extended warranty available for U.S. customers sold separately. Use of Echo is subject to the terms found here. |
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Accessibility Features |
The Alexa app and Alexa-enabled products include several features for customers with accessibility needs related to vision, hearing, mobility, and speech. Learn more about Alexa accessibility. |
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Included in the Box |
Echo Dot, power adapter (9W), Micro-USB cable, and Quick Start Guide. |
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10/03/2018 Update:While I still like my Dots and Echos, Google assistant is better than Alexa especially when it comes to questions with multiple phrases, technical or is not a simple reaction to a command. Google has a sense of humor whereas Alexa - not-so-much. Off-the-wall questions to Alexa illicit either a blue and cyan light without any response, an "I don't understand" response or something which makes absolutely no sense. Here's a simple, and funny, test to try. I apologize for anyone that is offended by this example. Ask each of them if they farted - Google assistant will crack you up - at least she did me. Alexa on the other-hand completes fails to understand what you're getting at and eventually goes on to define flatulence - boring. Don't get me wrong I still use Alexa extensively as I have integrated the Alexa eco system into my environment over time - I guess you could say that I have allowed myself to be assimilated and now part of the Amazon collective ;-).Nevertheless, the Google machine learning algorithms are superior to the ones used for Alexa and seem to be getting even better with regards to true interaction. I can ask both the same questions and I will often get back "I don't understand" or some off-the-wall response from Alexa. To be fair, the Google machine learning algorithms flake out as well from time to time. So far, I believe that Google has failed to exploit what they've developed whereas Amazon keeps pushing the envelope. I also expect Alexa to improve over time. Both Google and Amazon would benefit from development teams with a bit more creativity I think, but hey maybe I am just weird and what I like diverges far beyond the market both are selling.The net-net is get both, even if it's nothing more than a Dot and a mini. This will give you the best of both worlds. Forget about Siri, Apple completely blew that opportunity.Both the Dot and mini are frequently are discounted, so just wait for the next discount on whichever one you want or don't have and then you'll have them everywhere. You can even do some relatively simple hacking and use either in the car or just wait a tiny bit longer for Amazon's Echo Auto which I expect is just a much better productization of my hack using things I already had laying around.=======================================================================================================I purchased an Echo and and a Dot about a year ago during Black Friday and have added to the collection since. I got my first devices soon after getting out a lengthy hospital stay. My surgery had been challenging and I was pretty much bed-ridden for eight weeks afterward. Needless to say I was miserable due to being bed-ridden and my inability to hardly walk or care for myself.I had previously been somewhat familiar with the Echo and Dot, but had never taken the plunge. I decided to get my first two devices shortly after discovering Audible and seeing that the Echo products, Audible and TuneIn were compatible. The Black Friday discounts were pretty enticing as well and given my health at the time and lack of anyone to help me compelled me to make the plunge. In hindsight, the product combination, capability and timing was a Godsend for me. In combination they helped me make through a difficult and challenging period. Alexa allowed me to control my lights, music, check the news and weather, listen to TuneIn, Pandora, set alarms, medical reminders and timers, listen to books via Audible, and even tell me good morning and good night all from my bed.In terms of sound quality, the Echo is hands down substantially better than the Dot, but I compensated the shortcomings of the Dot's speaker by pairing it with a JBL Charge speaker that I had gotten for my recovery ahead of time.Fast forwarding, my Alexa Eco system has grown in combination with my overall home automation. Overall, I think the Dot and the rest of the Alexa ecosystem are awesome (see my review on the Fire TV 4K Ultra for what else you can do from a video perspective), especially when it comes to home automation and control. In terms of sound and responsiveness, the Dot is not as good as the Echo. The Dot's sound quality is understandable.The sound quality of the Dot can be addressed by using external Bluetooth or powered speakers with an analogue input as I mentioned previously. Or if you happen to have Sonos speakers, then sound quality is a non issue since you'll use the Sonos speakers in either case. In terms of responsiveness, the Dot is just not as good as the Echo. I find myself having to sometimes repeat myself to the Dot, especially if music is playing and the DOT is placed too closely. The Echo appears to handle this type of scenario much better.If you don't have external speakers and you plan to use for listening to music, then definitely pay the extra to go with the Echo. The sound quality is substantially better with the Echo. But if you're interested in primarily listening to Music get the Dot and pair it up with a SONOS 1, a bit more expensive but a great combo and you can pair the Sonos speaker with other devices and services.The Dot is still a great product if you're not going to use for listening to music or if you already have external speakers you can use with it. A fun Alexa capability if you happen to have multiple devices and want to listen to the same music in multiple locations in your home then you can use the Alexa app to set that up. I really like this capability and find myself using this option frequently.Where the Dot and Echo come up short in my opinion, is if you try to address things in a more conversational manner or to answer questions. Neither product does very well in this area, they actually do pretty poorly. Whereas the Google Home and Mini excel in this. The Home and the Mini provide better answers to most question compared to Alexa Echo or Dot. The Google cloud server is just better at this type of thing. I can also access songs and other content from YouTube using the Home or Mini and use Chromecast to cast it to another device. Neither of which can I do with the Dot or Echo. YouTube access is huge for me, I wish Amazon and Google would play nice together and allow each other's devices access to one another's content. I have to admit, despite that I am a huge Alexa fan, I really like the Google devices and their capabilities. However at the same time it get's very annoying and sterile having to say "Hey Google" over and over again. "Alexa" is so much more pleasant. Additionally, the Google devices do not currently work with Sonos whereas the Dot and Echo do. I am not sure if Sonos/Google integration will ever occur, especially now that Google has introduced it's own Sonos-like speaker.So which do you choose if you're just starting out? I would say it depends on a number of factors. If you have a preference for one or the either's Eco system, then let that be your guide. If you want to have somewhat of a conversation, get nswers to questions or listen to a lot of YouTube content and you don't mind saying "Hey Google" over and over again, then I would recommend either the Google Home or Mini. If you're going the Google route, then I would skip the Home and go with the Mini personally and pair it up with one of the Chromecast devices and some low cost (or better) speakers. The Google Home and Mini are pretty good for home automation use, but the Echo and Dot still have them beat in that area (although the gap is starting to close). I should mention, at least at the time of this writing, Alexa has some periodic problems with Hue lights. You can ask Alexa to turn on a particular device and she may turn on all of your Hue devices which can be frustrating if you didn't want them all on. The problem is absent from the Google devices.If you already have, or plan or getting Sonos speakers, then go with the Dot. Although if you're considering the Sonos 5, you may want to compare it to the Google Home Max which is $100 cheaper although not as functional yet. If you just want to listen to Audible content, newscast and sports then you could get by with the Dot alone, but I would recommend that you jump to the Echo. I really wouldn't recommend the Dot as a standalone unit. It's better if you already have some overall use in mind such as controlling your lights in which it would work nicely. Don't get me wrong, the Dot is a great little device, but not as a standalone unit in my opinion.If you're on a limited budget and you're starting from ground zero, go with the Dot and purchase a low cost, compatible speaker to go with it. The Google Mini doesn't have an analog port like the Dot does, but you can pair both devices with Bluetooth capable speakers. Despite the limitations in the conversational area, there's a large number of Apps and products that already work with the Dot and Alexa - plus you don't have to say "Hey Google" all the time ( ;-) maybe it's just me that's bothered by this - I really wish Google would change this). If you have the money, but not sure which direction to go in or want the best of what's available from each ecosystem, then get a Dot, a Google Mini, a Sonos Play 1 and one of the Chromecast devices and figure out how you want to grow from there.Light Ring Status Meanings:I thought I should also mention something about the light ring status indicators as they can sometimes be a bit confusing and the Alexa app does a poor job of communicating what they mean. You can find light ring meaning if you check Amazon Device Support › Echo Help › Getting Started with Echo› on the Amazon site or check in my review below:* Pulsing yellow light - A message or notification is waiting for you. Say, "Play my messages" or "What did I miss?" To learn more go to About Alexa Messaging at the site I mentioned above.* Pulsing green light - You are receiving a call or Drop In on your device. To learn more go to Answer or Ignore Calls on Your Echo Device at the site I mentioned above.* Single flash of purple light after an interaction with Alexa - Do Not Disturb is active.* Spinning blue light that ends in a solid purple light - Do Not Disturb is enabled. To learn more, go to Use Do Not Disturb for Alexa at the site I mentioned above.* Continuous oscillating violet light - An error occurred during Wi-Fi setup. To learn more, go to Your Echo Device Doesn't Connect to Wi-Fi at the site I mentioned above.* White light - You are adjusting the volume level on your device.* Solid red light - You have turned off the microphones on your device. Press the Microphone button to turn on the microphones.* Orange light spinning clockwise - The device is connecting to your Wi-Fi network.* Solid blue with cyan pointing in direction of person speaking - Alexa is busy processing your request.* All lights off - The device is active and waiting for your request.* Solid blue with spinning cyan lights - The device is starting up.I hope you enjoy your Dot as much as I have enjoyed mine.
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So far I am enjoying the Echo Dots. They have some growing yet, but not bad for a Second Generation.
Reviewed in the United States on October 25, 2016Color: BlackConfiguration: Echo DotVerified Purchase
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