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What went wrong in imperial Rome, and how we can avoid it: “If you want to understand where America stands in the world today, read this.”—Thomas E. Ricks

The rise and fall of ancient Rome has been on American minds since the beginning of our republic. Depending on who’s doing the talking, the history of Rome serves as either a triumphal call to action—or a dire warning of imminent collapse.

In this “provocative and lively” book, Cullen Murphy points out that today we focus less on the Roman Republic than on the empire that took its place, and reveals a wide array of similarities between the two societies (
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Looking at the blinkered, insular culture of our capitals; the debilitating effect of bribery in public life; the paradoxical issue of borders; and the weakening of the body politic through various forms of privatization, Murphy persuasively argues that we most resemble Rome in the burgeoning corruption of our government and in our arrogant ignorance of the world outside—two things that must be changed if we are to avoid Rome’s fate.

Are We Rome? is just about a perfect book. . . . I wish every politician would spend an evening with this book.”—James Fallows

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"Are We Rome? is just about a perfect book . . . I wish every politician would spend an evening with this book." --James Fallows, international correspondent for The Atlantic Monthly

"Elegant, learned, and graceful . . . this is a disturbing book brimming with hope." --E.J. Dionne Jr., syndicated columnist, and author of Why Americans Hate Politics

"Cullen Murphy has written a book of remarkable richness . . . brisk, learned, and highly entertaining." --Samantha Power, Pulitzer Prize-winning author of A Problem From Hell

"This is a lovely book . . . It may be the most important thing written about the U.S. government in many years." --Thomas E. Ricks, author of Fiasco: The American Military Adventure in Iraq, and military correspondent for The Washington Post

"Cullen Murphy gives a thoughtful, entertaining look around." --Richard Brookhiser, author of What Would the Founders Do? —

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Cullen Murphy is the editor at large at Vanity Fair and the former managing editor of the Atlantic Monthly. He is the author of Are We Rome?, The Word According to Eve, and the essay collection Just Curious.

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  • Publisher ‏ : ‎ Mariner Books; Reprint edition (May 5, 2008)
  • Language ‏ : ‎ English
  • Paperback ‏ : ‎ 272 pages
  • ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 0547052103
  • ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-0547052106
  • Item Weight ‏ : ‎ 9.6 ounces
  • Dimensions ‏ : ‎ 5.5 x 0.62 x 8.25 inches
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Cullen Murphy is the editor at large at Vanity Fair and the former managing editor of the Atlantic Monthly. He is the author of The Word According to Eve, about women and the Bible, and the essay collection Just Curious. Murphy lives in Boston, Massachusetts.

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Reviewed in the United States on September 2, 2008
Cullen Murphy's book "Are We Rome?" is an engagingly erudite, yet very accessible read. Wisely sidestepping the generalizing tendencies of the historians, Murphy poses many questions for the readers' consideration. He has intimate knowledge of the Roman ruins and is steeped in much of the history and archeological studies regarding the Romans. The writing is lean, tight, and for the most part enjoyable - he does a fine job of bringing the reader into his thinking processes.

If there is any structural aspect of this book, it would have to be the six parallels between the Roman and American empires. He discusses each in broad terms, with convincing regard for the current American stance (such as the privatization of government functions and the ongoing political gridlocks). Murphy makes a case for the ongoing reinvention of ourselves as Americans as one quality that the Romans in their smug self-satisfactions never possessed. He points out that America has been through more social transformations in two centuries than Rome did in a thousand years.

One very interesting topic Murphy discusses has to do with the current issue of immigration into the United States. For the Romans, it was the inexorable assimilation of the "barbarians"; the incorporation of other cultures into the Roman orbit became indispensible as the centuries rolled on. But it was also the primary reason why Rome did not "fall" either; it just kind of faded away. Murphy at this point quotes the Roman historian Livy: "An empire remains powerful only as long as its subjects rejoice in it".

Towards the end, the "Are We Rome?" question is posed - and Murphy vaguely replies: In a thousand ways no; in a handful of ways, yes. His final point is: We are Rome in that we are making many of the same mistakes (military over-expansion, etc), but the antidote is that we are American, and as such, we will make the necessary changes (like taking more interest in other cultures).

This read is entertaining and highly recommended for the thoughtfully inclined.

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Writers & bar room conversations have discussed this question for years. Everybody has their own favorite example of - Are we Rome? Even these comparisons were made about the 3rd German Empire (12 years) and the Soviet Empire (70 years). The fixation with an ancient Empire that lasted almost 1,000 years (or as some authors think the current EU is only a modern version of the Roman Empire) keeps speculation and comparison alive with various other modern "Empires".

Cullen Murphy brings another prospective to this argument relative to the US. If you read enough about the founding of our country, you can see many of our concepts and symbols were adopted from the Romans. This is the starting point for the comparison.

He presents interesting tidbits from Roman history and extrapolates for comparison it to our Modern American "Empire". As a journalist, he is smart enough NOT to make definite conclusions, but to give you something to ponder. This is why this book is thought provoking whether you agree with his view point or not. In addition, his writing style makes for an easy ready. Anybody who has slogged through Gibbons "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" (which this book is not and Murphy even states so) knows what I am talking about. His Chapter - The Legions struck home for me. Having lived in many US military bases around the world, you can visualize the comparison with the Roman legions. Bringing your "culture" with you and operating from bases of power inside foreign countries.

It is a good read and will give you some nice topics to discuss (or argue) at your next conversation group gathering.
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Reviewed in the United States on June 7, 2007
Are We Rome? is a short but highly important examination of the fall of the Roman Empire and its implications for the twenty-first century United States. Cullen Murphy begins by acknowledging that many parallels between Rome and America have been drawn over the years. The similarities and differences he draws, however, differ from those made by other writers and historians in that he focuses on the moods and attitudes of the two empires at their apogees.

Here Murphy finds much which will alarm concerned Americans today. He notes that both Rome and the US have had similar beliefs in their own exceptionalism, that somehow both Romans and Americans are superior to the rest of the world and thus need take little notice of the opinions of others. He observes that both empires saw foreigners as being inferior and somewhat contemptible, fearing their influence while at the same time coming to rely on them more and more. Most interestingly, Murphy sees in both societies a reluctance to take part in public life and to adequately finance public services.

While Murphy sees much over which to be concerned in modern America, he is not completely pessimistic. He calls for Americans to take a greater interest in the outside world while at the same time taking the problems we face within our society more seriously.

Throughout this short (206 pages plus notes) work Murphy writes with a wit and flair that, despite the somber nature of most of the material, helps to inspire his readers. It is a breath of fresh air to read such trenchant observations amidst the obfuscation and blame-throwing which unfortunately has come to characterize political debate today.
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Lucca Canizela De Camargo
5.0 out of 5 stars Superb
Reviewed in Brazil on May 22, 2022
Very informative book!
Alexander Gutmann
5.0 out of 5 stars Cautiously written, but informative and thought-provoking
Reviewed in Germany on August 2, 2020
In the preamble, the author goes to great lengths to drive home the point that historical comparisons, while interesting in themselves and a viable method for reflection, must never be used to derive absolute answers or predictions to contemporary problems; in short, that objective comparison is worthwhile, while direct equation of historical entities is not.
This diligent warning may be worth heeding in general, but it would not have been necessary in the case of this book. There are no deeper, tinfoil hat style analyses of transcendental historical patterns - only well-researched and easily written, concrete and distinctive points of thought and anecdotes that help the reader imagine how fundamentally similar the Roman Empire and its institutions were - on an everyday and personal level - to those of certain modern nations. All of these fragments touch on important questions and implications, but the reader is always left free to make their own connections and reach their own conclusions. I would have gladly devoured this work at two or three times its present length, but even so, it provides fodder for thought for days and months to come. It has become one of those books I love to share with open minds, academic or lay.
Bob Boyle
5.0 out of 5 stars "Fascinating" and scary too
Reviewed in Canada on November 9, 2015
Entertaining, and thought provoking. An intelligently written work
J. Kimbrough
4.0 out of 5 stars Are we Rome? Not Really
Reviewed in Germany on December 16, 2011
Writers & bar room conversations have discussed this question for years. Everybody has their own favorite example of - Are we Rome? Even these comparisons were made about the 3rd German Empire (12 years) and the Soviet Empire (70 years). The fixation with an ancient Empire that lasted almost 1,000 years (or as some authors think the current EU is only a modern version of the Roman Empire) keeps speculation and comparison alive with various other modern "Empires".

Cullen Murphy brings another prospective to this argument relative to the US. If you read enough about the founding of our country, you can see the many concepts and "ornamental" art that was adopted from the Romans. This is the starting point for the comparison.

He presents interesting tidbits from Roman history and extrapolates for comparison it to our Modern American "Empire". As a journalist, he is smart enough NOT to make definite conclusions, but to give you something to ponder. This is why this book is thought provoking whether you agree with his view point or not. In addition, his writing style makes for an easy ready. Anybody who has slogged through Gibbons "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" (which this book is not and Murphy even states so) knows what I am talking about. His Chapter - The Legions struck home for me. Having lived in many US military bases around the world, you can visualize the comparison with the Roman legions. Bringing your "culture" with you and operating from bases of power inside foreign countries.

It is a good read and will give you some nice topics to discuss (or argue) at your next conversation group gathering.
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Kleinschrot
5.0 out of 5 stars Ein Vergleich der nachdenklich machen kann !
Reviewed in Germany on June 12, 2010
Als erstes ...

Dieses Buch zu lesen , ist ein bißchen wie mit Sand Papier zu mastubieren !
Mann weiß ja das das Ergebnis schön ist , aber der Weg dahin tut halt weh ... sehr weh !
Im ernst , man muss ein bißchen Verständnis für Geschichtliche Zusammenhänge mitbringen , oder zumindest sich darauf einlassen ! Der Augenöffner kann sein das der Leser einfach versteht das sich bestimmte Dinge in der Geschichte der Menschheit wiederholen , inklusive der Fehler die die Menschheit macht !
Der Author zieht aber nicht zu lange Bahnen durch die Zeit , es ist kurzweilig geschrieben !
Wie zukünftige Leser mit dem Abstand zu den Tages Ereignissen umgehen werden , bleibt eine spannende Frage !
Lesenswert , JA !

H. Kleinschrot jun.
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