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Baseball Between the Numbers: Why Everything You Know About the Game Is Wrong Paperback – Illustrated, March 1, 2007
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The Baseball Prospectus Team of Experts
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- Publisher : Basic Books; Illustrated edition (March 1, 2007)
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Reviewed in the United States on June 6, 2020
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I really enjoyed reading the book. It’s a great book for the baseball fan who really wants to know more about the intricacies of the major league game. It’s not for the faint of heart. It has charts and explanations and summaries of different topics such as “why doesn’t Moneyball win in the playoffs? “. But for me it was outstanding! Well researched and thoughtful and well- written .
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Baseball is a game of statistics and probabilities, yet "sabermetrics", as the study of advanced baseball statistics has come to be called, proves scientifically that much of what's been historically valued in baseball is wrong. This book is broken down into case studies that definitively settle some of the hottest debates in baseball. What's the ideal batting order? When should you bring in a closing pitcher? How long should a starting pitcher stay on the mound? Who's the best hitter of all time? And more.
It's really an interesting book if you go into it with an open and analytical mind. Some of the conclusions may be controversial - for example, don't tell any New Yorker that Derek Jeter's actually a below average shortstop, a Pirates or Tigers fan that Jim Leyland didn't really do much to help his team, or an A's fan that Rickey Henderson's steals were mostly worthless! But reading through how the authors got to these conclusions is fascinating, and ultimately impossible to argue with. Math doesn't lie, and the statistics that back up these conclusions - while requiring a few more calculations - are no less factual than batting average or on-base percentage (OBP itself is a sabermetric stat!).
It would be easy for this to have been a dry, reductionist book, as you might expect from a bunch of mathemeticians. It's written by multiple authors and while it's true that some chapters are a little livelier than others, generally speaking everyone seems to realize they're writing about a game - and that game is supposed to be fun. This book exists because these people love baseball and have fun thinking about it, and thinking of different ways they can challenge conventional wisdom.
It's taken a while to overturn baseball's old guard, but many teams these days incorporate some level of sabermetric thinking into their team building and on-field strategy. Times are changing, and this book will help you understand why that pitcher's swinging away instead of bunting, why your favorite team doesn't have a "speed guy" in the leadoff spot, and why you shouldn't be too upset when a manager gets fired.
Maybe more than that, it'll leave you wondering why teams still do things that are mathematically proven to be self-destructive. (Usually it's because it's what the fans and media expect them to do.) Baseball still has a ways to go to catch up to its own science, but reading this book will literally put you ahead of the game.
It's really an interesting book if you go into it with an open and analytical mind. Some of the conclusions may be controversial - for example, don't tell any New Yorker that Derek Jeter's actually a below average shortstop, a Pirates or Tigers fan that Jim Leyland didn't really do much to help his team, or an A's fan that Rickey Henderson's steals were mostly worthless! But reading through how the authors got to these conclusions is fascinating, and ultimately impossible to argue with. Math doesn't lie, and the statistics that back up these conclusions - while requiring a few more calculations - are no less factual than batting average or on-base percentage (OBP itself is a sabermetric stat!).
It would be easy for this to have been a dry, reductionist book, as you might expect from a bunch of mathemeticians. It's written by multiple authors and while it's true that some chapters are a little livelier than others, generally speaking everyone seems to realize they're writing about a game - and that game is supposed to be fun. This book exists because these people love baseball and have fun thinking about it, and thinking of different ways they can challenge conventional wisdom.
It's taken a while to overturn baseball's old guard, but many teams these days incorporate some level of sabermetric thinking into their team building and on-field strategy. Times are changing, and this book will help you understand why that pitcher's swinging away instead of bunting, why your favorite team doesn't have a "speed guy" in the leadoff spot, and why you shouldn't be too upset when a manager gets fired.
Maybe more than that, it'll leave you wondering why teams still do things that are mathematically proven to be self-destructive. (Usually it's because it's what the fans and media expect them to do.) Baseball still has a ways to go to catch up to its own science, but reading this book will literally put you ahead of the game.
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Reviewed in the United States on October 19, 2012
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Baseball Between the Numbers is obviously a book for baseball fans and one that will appeal to both those who are and are not into sabermetrics. The top-notch writing and the way the book presents its findings and arguments combine to present a work that I give it the highest rating I possibly can.
The group I was in when I first started reading--newer to advanced statistics and looking to get more into how all the numbers work--will eat this book up. The best aspect of BBTN, however, is that it does not ignore what the game has been for so long, and still is to most people.
It is not a bunch of cold numbers or saying a player stinks because stat X is under Y, as if each guy is an answer to a third graders' math test--which is too often the impression people get of advanced stats, particularly among the non-sabermetric crowd. It's quite the opposite. Had somebody shown me concepts in math class--a few of which I recognize from school--and explained I could actually apply them to sports, you bet I would've been a heck of a lot more excited to go to math every day and probably actually understood the concepts.
Nobody is claiming these findings are gospel either. In many cases, they let the numbers themselves point out why a statistic is or is not repeatable. Or say flat out, that in certain cases it comes down to luck. This may seem to weaken the entire argument of why to use sabermetrics in the first place, but it is actually quite the opposite; understanding the weaknesses of your field will allow you to apply the findings more appropriately.
The most eye-opening sections are why the statistics shown with every batter on television are often poor gauges of performance. Many of these figures were developed at a time when the game was very different and while the game has changed, our ways of analyzing it has not (at least in the mainstream).
Each chapter seeks to answer a simple question: "Is David Ortiz a Clutch Hitter?" or "Is Joe Torre a Hall of Fame Manager?" While they seem simple, those questions encompass a great deal and each author does a solid job of explaining why they look at the figures they do to answer the questions. A side effect of which is training the readers to not only come up with their own questions, but figure out how to answer them. That is, if they are not too busy reading this book's sequel.
The group I was in when I first started reading--newer to advanced statistics and looking to get more into how all the numbers work--will eat this book up. The best aspect of BBTN, however, is that it does not ignore what the game has been for so long, and still is to most people.
It is not a bunch of cold numbers or saying a player stinks because stat X is under Y, as if each guy is an answer to a third graders' math test--which is too often the impression people get of advanced stats, particularly among the non-sabermetric crowd. It's quite the opposite. Had somebody shown me concepts in math class--a few of which I recognize from school--and explained I could actually apply them to sports, you bet I would've been a heck of a lot more excited to go to math every day and probably actually understood the concepts.
Nobody is claiming these findings are gospel either. In many cases, they let the numbers themselves point out why a statistic is or is not repeatable. Or say flat out, that in certain cases it comes down to luck. This may seem to weaken the entire argument of why to use sabermetrics in the first place, but it is actually quite the opposite; understanding the weaknesses of your field will allow you to apply the findings more appropriately.
The most eye-opening sections are why the statistics shown with every batter on television are often poor gauges of performance. Many of these figures were developed at a time when the game was very different and while the game has changed, our ways of analyzing it has not (at least in the mainstream).
Each chapter seeks to answer a simple question: "Is David Ortiz a Clutch Hitter?" or "Is Joe Torre a Hall of Fame Manager?" While they seem simple, those questions encompass a great deal and each author does a solid job of explaining why they look at the figures they do to answer the questions. A side effect of which is training the readers to not only come up with their own questions, but figure out how to answer them. That is, if they are not too busy reading this book's sequel.
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Reviewed in the United States on November 9, 2006
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I enjoyed this book. However, it felt like a big advertisement for Baseball Prospectus, a site which I actually subscribe to and read quite often. This book didn't bring any real new information to the table that they don't already cover on their site, so if you're choosing between the two, just subscribe to their site.
My biggest disappointment is that while they explain what Eqa and VORP are, in essense, they don't tell me exactly how they calculate it. I suppose they are protecting their assets, but one of the pleasure of reading Bill James is knowing his thought process in coming up with formulas that measure performance. As the Baseball Prospectus team would have it, I'm supposed to trust that VORP measures it precisely without me being able to understand exactly why. That irritates me, but it might not get to you.
The book is fairly well-written and is entertaining enough to pick up if you're interested in this kind of book.
My biggest disappointment is that while they explain what Eqa and VORP are, in essense, they don't tell me exactly how they calculate it. I suppose they are protecting their assets, but one of the pleasure of reading Bill James is knowing his thought process in coming up with formulas that measure performance. As the Baseball Prospectus team would have it, I'm supposed to trust that VORP measures it precisely without me being able to understand exactly why. That irritates me, but it might not get to you.
The book is fairly well-written and is entertaining enough to pick up if you're interested in this kind of book.
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Reviewed in the United States on May 19, 2018
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Nice short articles that give you an insight into the game and why some players and strategies are better than others.
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Reviewed in the United States on March 3, 2015
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An excellent title for me as a nerd who doesn't understand baseball very well. The interesting collection of articles was fascinating and I learned much about the statistical side of the game. Highly recommend this title.
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Reviewed in the United States on July 24, 2015
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This is one of my favorite go to baseball books. Lots of stats and information you can't find elsewhere.
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ajra21
3.0 out of 5 stars
Baseball Between the Numbers
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on August 5, 2011Verified Purchase
if you like the modern sabermetric view of baseball, this book could well be for you. it isn't for the regular baseball fan. you need some understanding of the new statistics being utilised to evaulate the game, however you don't need to be anywhere near an expert. chapters aren't linked, meaning it can be read out of order without losing track of where you are. different authors pen different sections, giving a good spread of views and approaches to analysing the game. a good read for intrigued baseball fans.
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Christopher Lok
5.0 out of 5 stars
A great starting point if you want to get into sabremetrics and advanced baseball stats
Reviewed in Canada on July 15, 2019Verified Purchase
This book does a great job introducing the advanced statistics and does so in a very accessible way. Some of the articles are out of date, but the core message of them still stands, there are better ways to quantify performance on the field rather than just the traditional stats you see in the boxscores or flashed on your television screen. I would actually give this cook 4.5 stars if I could as I feel some of the articles near the end of the book are a little weaker. Neverthless still a great read.
PompousMoose
5.0 out of 5 stars
it's a must read for anyone that wants to compare history's greatest baseball players on an even playing field and fantasy ...
Reviewed in Canada on September 10, 2015Verified Purchase
Although a little bit dated, it's a must read for anyone that wants to compare history's greatest baseball players on an even playing field and fantasy players looking for insight on the next great MLB player looking to make the jump from the MiLB.
It is definitely not a casual read. To get anything from the book, you have to devote some serious attention to it. To really get a grasp of a topic, I've had to re-read paragraphs and sometimes entire pages to fully understand.
It is definitely not a casual read. To get anything from the book, you have to devote some serious attention to it. To really get a grasp of a topic, I've had to re-read paragraphs and sometimes entire pages to fully understand.
Juan Javier Sada Borrego
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Reviewed in Mexico on July 12, 2015Verified Purchase
Para comenzar la página me sorprendió al tener títulos de libros editados en Estados Unidos y que básicamente son imposibles de conseguir en México o bien quieren cobrar una fortuna por ellos. En este caso fue un regalo, el cual llego en tiempo y la experiencia de compra lo mejor
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Amazing
Reviewed in Italy on December 1, 2019Verified Purchase
Wonderful book
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