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| Genre | Westerns |
| Format | Multiple Formats, Dubbed, NTSC, Special Edition, Subtitled, Widescreen, Black & White |
| Contributor | Charles Stevens, Victor Adamson, Louis R. Loeffler, Marie Boyle, Tully Marshall, Louise Carver, Frederick Burton, El Brendel, John Wayne, Tyrone Power Sr., David Rollins, Raoul Walsh, Jack Peabody, Ian Keith, Chief John Big Tree, Florence Postal, Marguerite Churchill, Hal G. Evarts See more |
| Language | English |
| Runtime | 2 hours and 2 minutes |
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A young pioneer leads the first covered wagon train west on the Oregon Trail. Directed by Raoul Walsh.
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In addition to being a good movie, The Big Trail is, in and of itself, a great story. Take the 70mm Grandeur process with its still-breathtaking widescreen images, the celluloid equivalent of two conventional 35mm frames side-by-side. Studio mogul William Fox owned the process and envisioned a grand triumph for his company. Just the opposite occurred: the 70mm prints could be shown only on projectors designed for that purpose, only two theaters in America had them, and the onset of the Depression forestalled exhibitors from considering such an investment. (Mostly the film was seen in the standard 35mm version shot more or less simultaneously with the wide version--and included in this set.) Fox also took a hit because of the picture's immense scale. As a short on The Making of 'The Big Trail' recounts, the production used locations in five states and employed some 20,000 extras, 500 buffalo, 725 Indians from several tribes, 185 wagons, 22 cameramen, etc. Moreover, because sound-film technology was new, separate versions of the film were being made with different leading players for release in Italian-, Spanish-, and German-speaking markets! Total cost: $2,000,000--and that's in 1930 dollars, remember.
Not a lot of that went to the star. The former Duke Morrison, newly renamed John Wayne, had previously been prop man on some 80 Fox pictures and played a few bits and small parts, notably for director John Ford; on The Big Trail he drew $75 a week. The Creation of John Wayne sets forth all this, as well as a biographical sketch of the youth from Winterset, Iowa, by way of Glendale, Calif. The short also notes that Ford was miffed that a rival director, Raoul Walsh, would give his (Ford's) protégé a premature shot at stardom; Ford effectively dropped Wayne, leaving him to languish in B pictures for nearly a decade till casting him in Stagecoach. The film also cost its director. Raoul Walsh: A Man in His Time salutes him as "probably the greatest underrated American director," the "most authentic Westerner" among the genre's classic directors, and a more versatile entertainer than Ford. Walsh, who claimed to have "learned everything from D.W. Griffith" (for whom he played John Wilkes Booth in The Birth of a Nation), enjoyed A-list standing on the basis of his silent-film career, and he had a free hand on The Big Trail--among other things, improvising the remarkable (and never equaled) sequence of the wagon train being lowered by rope down the St. George, Utah cliffs. But the film's box-office failure reduced him to cranking out (often lively) formula fare for most of the 1930s, till landing at his proper home, Warner Bros., in 1939. The 70mm version of The Big Trail is accompanied by commentary from historian and Time film critic Richard Schickel. Although given to condescension, Schickel has a sympathetic understanding of the technical limitations of early-sound filmmaking, Wayne's neophyte status, the beauties of Walsh's boisterous spirit and style, and the distinction between convention and cliché. However, somebody really should point out to him which of the cast members is Ward Bond. --Richard T. Jameson
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- Aspect Ratio : 2.20:1
- Is Discontinued By Manufacturer : No
- MPAA rating : Unrated (Not Rated)
- Product Dimensions : 7.5 x 0.7 x 5.4 inches; 3.2 Ounces
- Director : Louis R. Loeffler, Raoul Walsh
- Media Format : Multiple Formats, Dubbed, NTSC, Special Edition, Subtitled, Widescreen, Black & White
- Run time : 2 hours and 2 minutes
- Release date : May 13, 2008
- Actors : John Wayne, Marguerite Churchill, El Brendel, Tully Marshall, Tyrone Power Sr.
- Dubbed: : Spanish
- Subtitles: : English, Spanish
- Language : English (Stereo), Unqualified
- Studio : 20th Century Fox
- ASIN : B0014BJ1A4
- Writers : Florence Postal, Hal G. Evarts, Jack Peabody, Marie Boyle, Raoul Walsh
- Number of discs : 2
- Best Sellers Rank: #75,432 in Movies & TV (See Top 100 in Movies & TV)
- #1,364 in Westerns (Movies & TV)
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PLEASE NOTE THAT ONCE AGAIN AMAZON HAS LUMPED REVIEWS FOR ALL VERSIONS OF "THE BIG TRAIL," THUS DENIGRATING THIS DVD VERSION!!!
I am baffled as to why reviewers have given the restored 70mm (wide screen) version of "The Big Trail" anything but five stars. As other reviews have indicated, the film was made on the cusp of "talkie" movies and the innovation of William Fox's 70mm The Grandeur Process that would eventually lead to modern day wide screen format films in 1953--twenty-three years after "The Big Trail." As such, viewers need to keep in mind that the script, filming, and editing were all based, in various degrees, upon the silent film format of filming. Furthermore, this is not really what I would call a "western" by today's standards, although it clearly is the template for the genre. Nor is is it an action or drama film. Rather, "The Big Trail" is a silent movie "lag" that has seldom been repeated in movies with sound: it is, what I prefer to call (I have no idea if there really is such), an EPIC genre film. The "frontier," the "trail" and the "story" are the movie; not the characters, the plots, or the themes. The history of the film is, as discussed by others, a sad one; but hopefully this new release (2008) of "The Big Trail" will vindicate its greatness.
WARNING: If you like "traditional" westerns, lots of action, drama, or other modern aspects of the western genre, "The Big Trail" will most likely not appeal to you. "The Big Trail" was made before CGI, wide spread use of models and stage sets, and standardized props and costumes. Instead, Walsh went for "realism." And he had the advantage of having both worked as a "cowboy" on cattle drives and spending time with well known American Indian leaders. I cannot state for certain, but I believe that Raul Walsh wanted to re-establish a base line for how westerns should be made. "The Big Trail" was definitely a good start; unfortunately the economy and the times were not ready. Even more unfortunate, when Hollywood did restart the western genre, they took Raul Walsh's ideas and bent them in the "wrong" direction. As such, then, you may want to stick with your favorites or check out "newer versions" of "The Big Trail," such as "How The West Was Won."
As I stated above, I feel that "The Big Trail" is the template that started the western genre of movies with sound. In deed, I would argue, that while I label it an "Epic" genre film, it is the mother of the western genre, and one of the finest "westerns" ever made. The fact that it has not been available in its filmed format until now is most likely why so few--if any other--link subsequent westerns to this film. Most notable of these "innovations" is the use of western settings as an integral component of westerns. "The Big Trail" majestically displays the beauty and splendor of the west, as Raul Walsh filmed in at least two locations each in Arizona, Montana, and Utah; three locations in Wyoming; five locations (including Sequoia National Park for the conclusion) in California; and one or more sites in Oregon. (Many of the scenes include vistas of over five National Parks). The entire film was shot on location and on a budget of approximately $2 million dollars! Many of the locations seen in "The Big Trail" are not even there today.
Unlike many subsequent movies and television shows about "settlers" going west, "The Big Trail" actually depicts many (rather than none, one or two) of the true hardships endured in their journeys. The film shows people dying of thirst and other environmental hazards; and while not overtly stated, portrays the fact that more people died from the "elements" than from the one "Indian" attack (which have become the center piece of newer westerns). Walsh shows babies--human and animals--being born; couples getting married; spouses and children dying; the elderly dying; and many other aspects of life on the trail--including internal strife. Many of these aspects became templates for future films; others were never--to my knowledge--shown again. For example, it shows the wagons actually being lowered by ropes over cliffs! "The Big Trail" also establishes the types of characters that became central to the western genre--in particular, the rugged individualistic loner; the tough guy. Conversely, I don't think another western has come close to capturing the nature of Tyrone Power Sr.'s character, Red Flack, in costume or portrayal of the "grungy bad guy." And one cannot ignore the fact that it was Raul Walsh who dared to take an unknown "actor" named Duke Morrison, change his name to John Wayne, and cast him as the lead. That 23 year old Wayne doesn't seem polished to many should be no surprise; rather that Wayne does so well is a true harbinger of his future in films. Add to this the fact that many of Wayne's lines were not written (by request of Walsh) but rather elicited by the other character's lines--often impromptu as well--and I find Wayne's performance to be one of his finest! But I know that it will still take many years before Wayne's critics wake up and recognize that he really was a great actor as well as a great presence on the screen--his personal opinions aside.
Another phenomenal aspect of this movie, which has not really been touched on, is that there were actually four casts--American, German, Spanish and Italian stars--and the film was shot in both 70mm and 35mm (full screen at the time). That means that Walsh had to shot each scene at least four times with two different types of cameras--more cameras if he wanted extra footage. This in itself is amazing, especially given that there were: 1) nearly a thousand Native American actors and extras--including Charles Stevens, a grandson of Geronimo, and Nino Cochise (uncredited), a grandson of Cochise (both Cochise and Geronimo are legendary Chiricahua Apache leaders); 2) over 2000 extras; and 3) over 1500 animals (horses, cattle, oxen, pigs, mules, etc.).
In deed, I would (as a non-trained film critic) not be surprised to see "The Big Trail" compared to, and eventually seen as superior to, many of the movie classics. For those who have seen previous releases or the film on television, please rent or buy this version to enjoy the real version of "The Big Trail"--I have both. The quality of this DVD, especially given the age and processing that it had to go through is superior to many "new" movies. The bonus material is informative, although the the commentator, film historian/author Richard Schickel, is often biased in his comments and his commentary does have inaccurate information (e.g., Moisie is not in Utah, but Montana; and the buffalo scene was filmed there on the Flathead Indian Reservation because the herd was the only sizable herd left in 1930).
Please Note: If this review was not helpful to you, I would appreciate learning the reason(s) so I can improve my reviews. My goal is to provide help to potential buyers, not get into any arguments. So, if you only disagree with my opinion, could you please say so in the comments and not indicate that the review was not helpful. Thanks.
It's still primitive in some ways, particularly the plotting and its villains, played by Tyrone Power's father and Geronimo's grandson. Power in particular is a sight to see - more like Bluto from the Popeye cartoons than his son, by all accounts not much acting was required or involved. Legend has it that Walsh even had him beaten up for trying to force himself on leading lady Marguerite Churchill. The plot is elementary, with the curly-haired young Duke diverted from tracking down the killer of a friend to scout for a wagon train lead by Power Sr's Bluto-like frontiersman, who chews the scenery to greatly enjoyable effect, but it still holds up as the best and most realistic of its sub-genre (shots from it were actually mistaken by some historians for ones of real pioneers!) and the widescreen version is visually stunning, whether filling the screen with prairie schooners crossing a river during a storm or briefly settling on its pioneers burying would-be settlers on the plains before moving on. It even anticipates Stagecoach in many ways, the Duke's Breck Coleman, like the Ringo Kid, along for the ride initially for revenge only to fall in love en route (though with a more `respectable' girl this time), Walsh cutting away from the final showdown after the first shot is fired just as Ford's film would nine years later (though the fullscreen version lingers longer). It certainly lacks the substance and rich characters of the classic Westerns that would follow, opting for broad archetypes in its clear aim to be nothing more than a spectacular celebration of the pioneer spirit along the lines of The Covered Wagon, but it does it well and surprisingly entertainingly. And you'll never see anything like it made again.
The original DVD issue was only of the shorter `flat' fullscreen version shot at the same time, but Fox finally made amends with an excellent two-disc DVD set with both the 122-minute 2.10:1 widescreen 70mm version and the 108-minute fullscreen 35mm version, the latter losing a couple of scenes (Ian Keith's crooked gambler cheating gullible El Brendel's comic relief Swedish settler on the riverboat, Wayne talking about stolen wolfpelts with the villain's sidekick Charles Stevens) and using different camera angles for some scenes. There's a good selection of informative extras on the film, its star and director and the failed Grandeur system as well, though sadly no footage from the simultaneously filmed German, Spanish and Italian versions. You do still have to make some allowances when watching, however. The camera noise is clearly audible in many scenes - sometimes more audible than the dialogue, all awkwardly recorded live on location while, even in the correct ratio, the film's most truly breathtaking scene as the settlers lower wagons and horses down the side of a mountain (all done for real, remember) loses a lot on the small screen. Widescreen prints of the film do occasionally turn up at cinematheques and are well worth tracking down to see the film to its best effect, but in the meantime the two-disc set is the next best thing and is well worth seeking out.
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John Wayne is good, even better than some of his later roles. all the actors have such a strong air of belief and naturalism about them that you feel you are watching a genuine historical film rather than a movie chasing awards..!
Another interesting point; and modern film makers take note -is that there is very little music, and what there is is used very effectively.
In fact for the first half hour or so of the movie there is no music whatsoever; just talking and chatter and wagon wheels turning, and horses grunting and sounds of wind and rain etc....
So....Not your standard western with shoot-outs and saloons and sheriffs, but a wild, rolling adventure featuring the american pioneers of the 19th century.
Get it, buy it, watch it .Marvel at it.
Viewed today, the film stands up rather well against those western epics "The Covered Wagon"(23) and "The Iron Horse"(24). Spectacle certainly takes precedent over the story. The film concerns an epic wagon train journey from the banks of the Missouri to Oregon, during that period of "Manifest destiny", when settlers began to flood west to colonise the wilderness. John Wayne plays a trapper/guide who joins a wagon train for ulterior motives, when he finds that the suspected murderers of a trapper friend are also making the trip. There is action aplenty on the trip which the director Raoul Walsh handles with an assured eye. There is a massive Indian attack where the warriors attack the encircled wagon train on their beautifully painted war ponies. There is also a very impressive buffalo hunt and a river crossing scene that has never been bettered. Then there is the impressive scene where wagons and livestock are lowered down vertiginous cliffs, which was copied in the later film "The Way West"(67), where Kirk Douglas came to a sticky end. The elements also conspire against the wagon train, and they are faced with a barrage of rainstorms and blizzards. Romance is also in the air between the strangely svelte, and youthful looking Wayne, and a pretty young pioneer girl played by Marguerite Churchill. Wayne also heads inexorably to a showdown with the villains who murdered his friend. There is a lovely final scene amongst the giant redwoods.
The film is perhaps most notable for providing the first leading role for screen legend John Wayne. The director Walsh was looking for an unknown to try and save costs. Gary Cooper had already turned the role down. Walsh had seen the prop boy on a set, and enquired about him with John Ford, the director who had first come across him. At this time he had only acted briefly in a few films. He was given a screen test, and the rest as they say is history. Sadly after this film Wayne's career took a jolt and he was cast back into poverty row and the B western salt mines. It was nearly a decade later when he announced his arrival with a whirling Winchester to mega stardom as "The Ringo Kid" in Ford's "Stagecoach"(39). The film is also noteworthy for being the only talking film of Tyrone Power snr, father of screen pretty boy Tyrone Power, as Red Flack the lurching villain of the film. Power gives a performance more akin to the nasty villain you like to hiss at at the village panto. A sort of western Long John Silver. This makes the performance of Wayne look even better. That stalwart of "The Covered Wagon", Tully Marshall also appears to good effect as a trapper friend of Wayne's. It was also interesting to see that great friend of John Wayne, Ward Bond appear in a small role. They had met as American footballers and had already appeared in a couple of minor films together. Together with John Ford they enjoyed a hard drinking friendship over many years.
It has taken me many years to finally get around to watch this film, and I was pleasantly surprised at the real quality that it contains. It is not a film I can recall having been shown on TV. The film easily fulfils its credentials as an epic, especially with the opening scenes of the myriad covered wagons starting off on the long trek. The story is laboured and predictable, and the acting undeniably stilted, but the action compensates for this easily. I thoroughly enjoyed the film and wondered why I have not taken the trouble to watch it before. I have watched the one disc edition, but it sounds like the restored two disc edition might be worth a shout. A deserved four stars.
Definitely worth buying!







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