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Carnage and Culture: Landmark Battles in the Rise to Western Power Paperback – Illustrated, August 27, 2002

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Examining nine landmark battles from ancient to modern times--from Salamis, where outnumbered Greeks devastated the slave army of Xerxes, to Cortes’s conquest of Mexico to the Tet offensive--Victor Davis Hanson explains why the armies of the West have been the most lethal and effective of any fighting forces in the world.

Looking beyond popular explanations such as geography or superior technology, Hanson argues that it is in fact Western culture and values–the tradition of dissent, the value placed on inventiveness and adaptation, the concept of citizenship–which have consistently produced superior arms and soldiers. Offering riveting battle narratives and a balanced perspective that avoids simple triumphalism,
Carnage and Culture demonstrates how armies cannot be separated from the cultures that produce them and explains why an army produced by a free culture will always have the advantage.

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“Vivid . . . ambitious . . . Challenges readers to broaden their horizons and examine their assumptions. . . . [Hanson] more than makes his case.”--The New York Times Book Review

“No one offers a more compelling picture of how wars reflect and affect the societies, including our own, that wage them.” —
National Review

“Hanson . . . is becoming one of the best-known historians in America . . . [
Carnage and Culture] can only enhance his reputation.” —John Keegan, Daily Telegraph (London)

“Victor Davis Hanson is courting controversy again with another highly readable, lucid work. Together with John Keegan, he is our most interesting historian of war.” —Jean Bethke Elshtain, author of
Women and War

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ne landmark battles from ancient to modern times--from Salamis, where outnumbered Greeks devastated the slave army of Xerxes, to Cortes s conquest of Mexico to the Tet offensive--Victor Davis Hanson explains why the armies of the West have been the most lethal and effective of any fighting forces in the world.

Looking beyond popular explanations such as geography or superior technology, Hanson argues that it is in fact Western culture and values the tradition of dissent, the value placed on inventiveness and adaptation, the concept of citizenship which have consistently produced superior arms and soldiers. Offering riveting battle narratives and a balanced perspective that avoids simple triumphalism,
Carnage and Culture demonstrates how armies cannot be separated from the cultures that produce them and explains why an army produced by a free culture will always have the advantage.

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  • Publisher ‏ : ‎ Anchor (August 27, 2002)
  • Language ‏ : ‎ English
  • Paperback ‏ : ‎ 544 pages
  • ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 0385720386
  • ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-0385720380
  • Item Weight ‏ : ‎ 1.1 pounds
  • Dimensions ‏ : ‎ 5.16 x 1.21 x 7.94 inches
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Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow in military history and classics at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University and a professor emeritus of classics at California State University, Fresno. He is the author of over two dozen books, including The Second World Wars, The Dying Citizen, and The End of Everything. He lives in Selma, California.

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Reviewed in the United States on September 29, 2013
Having just finished this book in two days, I can recommend it as an excellent read to absolutely anyone interested in military history, or world history in general. As a person who has read very extensively about many of the battles discussed in this book, the author's assessments of the facts seem to largely be spot on, and there was never any real point where his command of what actually happened was in any doubt. I can also say that the quality of the analysis in this book concerning the battles he discusses is quite through. Saying that the book is about battles is actually sometimes inaccurate, often it discusses entire campaigns and focuses in on the important points, so as to give the reader a better overall view of the situation and the context in which the wars were waged.
The general premise of this book is that certain aspects of western culture have given the western world certain key advantages when fighting opposing armies, specifically the rationalist mindset, a proclivity for innovation, free debate, a focus on organizational discipline ect. Some people may look at that summary and decry it as racists or imperialist, however the author quite commonly applauds the courage and bravery of many of the non western peoples from the Aztecs to the Zulus. His point is that because western notions about how to fight a war, i.e. through, direct "shock" engagements, designed to annihilate opposition, were so different from many other cultures, i.e. at the other extreme, the Aztecs waged war to capture prisoners for human sacrifice, and often battles were ceremonial lasting for perhaps a day, after which both sides went home largely unmolested. These radically different ideas on how to conduct warfare, helped to provide people like Cortez significant advantages that grew entirely out of how they viewed the world and the purpose of warfare. In fact the author cites multiple occasions where the Aztecs might have killed Cortex but instead tried to capture him for sacrifice. Had they simply killed Cortez and his men, like the French or British probably would have done, then they might not have been wiped out so easily, given their vast numerical advantage. I could give more examples, but then i would just be retyping the entire book. Suffice to say that the author makes his point in a systematic, entertaining, and brilliant fashion.
One last thing I will add is that while many books about war, are naturally one sided, and tend to portray the victors as righteous heroes while the defeated are vilified, I found essentially no instances of this happening in this book. The author is quick to point out the moral and ethical flaws of both sides. For example, he mentions the racism and brutality towards prisoners characteristic of the Japaneses in World War 2, but also talks about the firebombing of Tokyo that killed thousands of innocents. In my opinion it is a fairly balanced reading of history, abet one with a point, but balanced nonetheless. At the end you are left with the conclusions that no one is truly innocent in war, but at the same time, uniquely western cultural assumptions and developments have helped to given them a decisive edge.
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This book gives a completed thought, extensive thought, to the question, why wars! My education continues with the best of the best instructors! Thank you!
Reviewed in the United States on March 1, 2024
I've read a lot by him. This appears to be a relatively early project of his (he's young and has hair in the endpiece photo). It reads very much like an expanded graduate thesis, and may have been, since his academic specialty is in military history. There is frequent repetition of points from chapter to chapter. However, he is building a thesis across eras that holds up very well: the West's (from Greece to the 20th century) emphasis on individual responsibility and initiative undergirding the success of our economies and our democracies has also endowed its fighters with the ability to think as small units, be flexible in the face of the enemy's "vote" and has usually resulted in surmounting whatever Eastern practices have thrown at them. Those Eastern approaches include armies made up of servants and slaves, requiring unquestioning obedience to leaders with rigid thinking.
There are certainly exceptions to this rule in history, usually due to overwhelming numbers (eg, Ukraine vs. Russia today). The notable point is that Western democracy and valuation of the individual probable has given its warfare an edge over societies without those principles.
If you are interested in the subject, Hanson is through and convincing. But his canon includes many easier to read and more wide-ranging topics that a casual reader may find more digestible. Still, my admiration for VDH's knowledge and perceptivity is undiminished. Whether or not you read this book, read Victor Davis Hanson.
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Reviewed in the United States on February 13, 2008
If you're a history buff, you know the frustration of reading descriptive history after descriptive history, appreciating different styles and slightly different points of view, but coming away with nothing new. Eventually, reading history becomes a purely aesthetic experience. What we long for -- well, what I long for -- is what I call practical history, that is, someone who endeavors to tell us not simply what history says but what it teaches. This inevitably means going out on a limb. You may not agree with the thesis, but what really matters is whether it's cogently argued and easily accessible. This is the case with Victor David Hanson's Carnage and Culture.

Going in I had no bias one way or another, except that, like Hanson, I despise cultural relativism, and I start with the premise that history is dialectical, i.e. history is the narrative of conflict. Usually (but not always) historical conflict manifests itself as war, and war is indeed what Hanson addresses. Hanson maintains not only that the West has been ascendent in warfare vis-a-vis non-Western powers but that this success is due to methods of warfare which in turn arise from Western cultural values.

The wonderful thing about Hanson's thesis is that it is not exclusionary, it can exist alongside other theses which explain the ascendancy of the West, say, the Great Man thesis , or the Christian missionary thesis, or (though Hanson doesn't seem to like it) Jared Diamond's "Guns, Germs and Steel" environmental thesis. Why did the Greeks defeat the Persians? The Franks the Saracens at Poitiers? The Americans the Japanese? Hanson maintains that there's a common factor to these victories, and it has to do with the way Western cultural values make men fight. He doesn't gloss over the defeats, but says the cultural values underpinning Western culture are tidal and overcome the episodic battle reversals.

I deduct one star because I really think Hanson should have accounted for Nazi Germany. Did this particular German culture arise from the "West" or was it sui generis? To listen to Churchill, the Nazis were a tumor. It's tantalizing to fancy them as a distant consequence of Teutoburg Forest, Augustus's failure to incorporate the Germans into Rome -- by implication, the failure of the Romans to civilize the Germans -- which Hanson mentions in passing. I think he owes us more than that.

In addition to an interesting and well-supported theory of warfare, what makes Carnage and Culture a delight to read is Hanson's narrative gifts. His style is lucid and conversational without being florid or pedantic. And I must confess, I like reading, for a change, somebody who looks at the history of the West in a positive light.
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Maciej Nowotny
5.0 out of 5 stars Risky argument brilliantly delivered!!
Reviewed in Germany on December 19, 2017
I was very skeptical at first about this book. The argument about the link between Western art of war and culture seemed to me very risky. I still have my doubts but I must admit Hanson's reasoning is crystal-clear logical and very, very attractively delivered. I feel inspired not bored, educated without patronizing. Excellent history and Hansen at its best. Wholeheartedly recommended!
Eric Chu
1.0 out of 5 stars Boring and repetitive book
Reviewed in Australia on January 26, 2021
Boring! Repetitive chants of the almost religious belief in freedom and democracy. Self-contradictory in its arguments, revealing little knowledge or wisdom.
Volpone
5.0 out of 5 stars Brutal West
Reviewed in Canada on December 28, 2011
The one star reviews are ideological quibbles and prove the book is excellent in its class. In case you missed it, the author's point is: the West wins because of how it fights, and the worst and most terrible wars have been those where western countries square off with each other. Two world wars provide the proof.
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4.0 out of 5 stars A bit repetitive in places; I think Hanson ought ...
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on January 28, 2015
A bit repetitive in places; I think Hanson ought to credit his readership with the intelligence to understand his points more quickly, but an interesting thesis nonetheless. His analysis of several ancient battles and the societies that were involved seems sound. I am less sure of his predictions of future western military domination in an era where technology trumps discipline and ideals. I rate the work heavily because it is interesting and thought-provoking.
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Marc Hertel
4.0 out of 5 stars Interesting analysis (and plenty to think about)
Reviewed in Germany on March 30, 2003
There used to be a time when historians examined battles to see why one or the other side won a war, the "decisive battle". That concept has fallen into disuse lately, since the current school of thought favors looking at socio-political developments to investigate the turns of history.
Mr. Hanson has revitalized the old concept, and in this book he examines several battles across the course of history, from Salamis, to Cortés' conquest of Mexico to the Tet Offensive in Vietnam, all between western and non-western powers. He doesn't entirely cast socio-political investigation overboard, as he makes use of many of the findings of those areas to weave into his tale of the battle (and to some extent the surrounding war).
His major goal is to show why western nations have achieved utter supremacy in today's world. It wasn't fortuitous placement of resources, luck of the draw or anything of the sort -- Mr. Hanson says it's simply that western people have been the most sucessful killers in the entire world. From the discipline of the Greek hoplites, the Romans developed the first "killing machine" of the world --- their legions which devastated armies of other nations. The same holds true for afterwards, as discipline was more highly favored than individual prowess.
I cannot say I fully agree with this book's analysis. Mr. Hanson presents a great deal of data (skillfully and engrossingly written), some of which seems to contradict his premise (indicating an evenhanded approach to the subject). Mostly he manages to deftly weave them into his explanations, creating potent support for said premise how Western supremacy arose -- but there are a couple of instances when he seems to be reaching for straws.
There's also the fact that his very choice of battles omits a couple of incidents that would disprove him. No, these battles are certainly not all western victories, but they are shown as exceptions to a rule -- and yet there are considerably more exceptions. There's also the question of how much foreign cultures must assimilate of western warfaring tradition (Mr. Hanson's statement) to pose a veritable threat to us.
Much though I disagree with some of the deductions of this book, it's an engrossing read and poses several interesting ideas. It also offers fascinating insights into the various eras it describes, the ways battles were fought, the way people thought about battles. It's not a complete history, and I certainly recommend reading additional material to cast a different light on the various times.
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