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(OLD MODEL) Casio PX850 Privia 88-Key Digital Piano, White
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The flagship of the new privia line, the Casio privia px850 digital piano has the advanced air sound set providing an additional level of realism including grand piano lid simulation and sympathetic resonance. The px850 has a dual 20w speaker system and a cabinet that opens providing a rich concert sound. The new privia px850 represents a significant step in the continuing evolution of the privia digital piano line. A combination of a new keyboard action and a powerful new sound engine provide a new level of detail, nuance and expression for a superior grand piano experience in the lightweight and stylish design that privia is known for. The Casio px850 has 18 instrument tones (5 are piano), and 256 note polyphony. The px850 keys feature damper resonance, hammer response and sympathetic resonance. A very special other feature is the lid simulation. You can choose (separate from what the actual px850 cabinet will do) whether you want the lid on the grand piano open, closed, half or removed. The px350 has 1/4 inch audio outputs and usb-to-device output so you can easily connect the privia px850 to recording and sound reinforcement equipment.
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We initially looked at two options: 1) buying a new, low-end piano (all made in China, ~$3000), or 2) buying a used, higher-end piano ($5k+, at least). We didn't particularly like the idea of buying a cheap piano, and we also learned that there are risks associated with buying a used piano. What we also learned is that moving a piano can be very expensive (minimum $1000+).
While browsing the web for an advice, we ran into someone suggesting a digital piano. Apparently advancements in DSP (digital signal processing) in the last decade have really improved the quality of simulated piano sound. So after some extensive research, we arrived at Casio PX-850 or Yamaha YDP-161.
Now, many folks out there felt that Yamaha digital pianos have a closer piano feel & sound, perhaps because Yamaha also makes real pianos. However, the reviews on PX-850 have been very high regarding its sound and feel (e.g it has 256 polyphony vs Yamaha's 128). To settle that debate, I took my son to a local piano store to try out the Yamaha, as well as the PX-830 (they didn't have PX-850); he preferred the Casio and I agree.
So, we ordered PX-850 and it got here in two (!!) days. It took about an hour to unpack and assemble; I was being extra careful and thorough, and I could probably put another one together in less than 20 min now. We were surprised how compact it is. It takes up less depth than our old keyboard.
Our son really loves his new piano and he now practices more than ever. The keys feel very much like real piano, as well as its touch and response. And finally, the best part... It sounds wonderful, just like a piano!
It's also great that you get THREE (3) year warranty (standard 1 year and you need to register with Casio), which is better than all other brands out there in its price range. BTW, this really is a brand-new model, announced only few month ago and just started shipping. Ours has mfg date of September!
Overall we are very happy with the purchase. For all you parents out there, I highly recommend that you consider a nice digital piano like this one, over buying a cheap (but still $$$) real piano. Let me know if you have any questions.
I love the Casio keys and I am beginning to like the sound too. The piano sound is not too bright and not too soft/mellow. It took me a little getting used to but now I find it very pretty. What I really like about the Casio keys is that they are weighted perfectly; the lower keys are heavier than the higher ones like grand pianos. The feel of the white and black keys are also very nice and doesn't feel like (cheap) plastic. Each key has a short lingering sound when pressed, as if the string is still vibrating after the hammer hit it. When I play it, I think I'm playing a real piano!
I thought it was almost a gimmick that its top opens up to make it sound like a grand piano. But when I tried it, it sounded nice and I actually liked it. Casio may not have the high end brand image, but this really is a great digital piano, which is way better than any cheap upright pianos. I also tried those too.
On a side note, I should mention that I did some extensive testing of much of Yamaha, Kawaii and Casio digital pianos. I liked the sound of Yamaha Clavinovas, which were more than $2000. However, the piano key actions were too stiff and hard to control. The lower end Yamaha ones sounded nice but keys were too soft. The Kawaii CE220 was highly rated but I did not like it. Both the sound and the touch were mushy.
Choosing a piano is very personal, and whatever pleases you the most is the right piano. I am glad that I found mine!
The piano arrived yesterday and the box that it arrives in is HUGE (~6 feet long) and extremely HEAVY (~100 lbs)! Check your machismo, as this box is just too wide and long to get an appropriate grip to hulk it into your own home by yourself--much less up a flight of stairs. That's my warning if you live in a flat that isn't on the ground floor and has no elevator access--also, if you DO have elevators, check to see if a service lift is available otherwise you may have trouble fitting this box inside a tiny elevator stall with you. I actually had to assist the UPS delivery guy to get the package off of his truck and into my kitchen--he was a big help and I couldn't have done it without his help.
Assembly wasn't too hard, first of all make sure you have the box with it's label upright before unpacking the items inside. This will make sure that the actual keyboard unit is easiest to pull out of the box--additionally, the instructions to put together the piano is located in a small packaged cardboard box that can be easy to miss or confuse with the smaller boxes that contain screws or the power cord and adapter. My best advice when unboxing is that you remove all of the items from the main box first, set the wooden frames and foot pedals in one corner of the room, the keyboard unit in another corner, and the manuals/screws in another. Then repack the styrofoam protectors back into the box and save one last corner for the bubble wrap/bags/packing tape to throw away later. When you start construction, you'll build around the foot pedals, so the area/corner should have plenty of room and be well lit to work on the front and back of the piano. Lastly, I recommend keeping the box if you have the room as taking apart the keyboard isn't too complicated (in retrospect) and is a potentially safer option than moving the piano whole later on.
After putting together the keyboard, plugging it in, and starting to play, I have to say that the sound is terrific. The digital piano not only emulates notes but also the background sounds of the inner workings of the piano including the dull hammer strikes and accompanying resonance of nearby keys. It's very easy to forget that you're not actually playing on an actual piano. However, when you do remember, it's a bit of a audio/sensory dissonance. At certain times of lucidity, it'll feel like your just calling a person over the phone who's playing the exact same notes you're attempting to play using a piano-shaped block of wood. It almost sounds too good, too full-bodied, for what you've got in front of you. It's only been a day, but I've caught myself on more than four occasions checking the sides of the piano to remind myself how thin it is but how resonant it sounds. I imagine this is something I'll get used to.
I'll conclude with some issues, there's a definitive learning curve regarding how to truly appreciate the features this digital piano offers. Two tone layering, duet mode, adjusting brightness, and learning how to incorporate my USB stick all made for a very overwhelming experience. The biggest issue is that the display only works by paying attention to a couple of red flashing lights/beeps, which makes it hard to know what mode your in or what signal went through. This is something that will certainly take time to wrap my head around as I've never had to learn such a system for a piano and my personal keyboards have the advantage of an informative LCD display, which this device lacks. I also noted that certain keys that perform useful functions (such as transposing) are not labeled and must be committed to memory or left as an item to consult in the manual. In fact, as much as I was pleased to have the music book, the piano manual has yet to left the music stand and I continue to reference it. I imagine with extended familiarity this will be smaller challenge.
I've now owned this piano for about a month. Let's see, my immediate impressions after going back to my old upright is that that the Casio PX850 provides a substantially improved playing experience. I would list the improvements thusly:
+This Casio provides me all of the benefits of an authentic piano sound(s) without having to worry about all of the long-term issues that come typical with an actual piano. Things like notes going out of tune, broken hammers, dented felts, keys that get stuck in the down position, inner dust collecting, broken strings, etc. are all comfortably forgotten issues now.
+It's fun to play for hours, then kick up the transpose a couple of notes and replay the same songs and have the sound feel completely different without having to learn or struggle with different scales. It's just a great way to play for fun.
+The keys are the length of a grand. I never noticed this feature but I really appreciate the extra space for my large hands.
+I can adjust the mellow/brightness of the piano on the fly.
+There's always a clear unmuddled sound emanating from the PX850 even on full sustain.
+Headphones are great!
+The speakers are situated just underneath the notes, when you play, the keys actually vibrate just like a real piano. The feeling is completely uncanny.
-Yeah, the lower register keys with higher tension will clack when you play them hard. Can't be heard at past 45% volume. Not sure if this was a first day "issue" but I noticed it fairly recently. Doesn't really bother me. It's not really an overpower sound, but I know this very same noise has annoyed a bunch of other customers.
-All of the features are still nebulous to me. I can record onto the Piano or the USB, and I can transfer songs from the USB to my computer, but I can't transfer songs I record on the Piano to the USB (or at least I don't know how yet). There's also a bunch of very nuanced things I can do like change the tempermant of the piano and I've yet to touch duet mode. So far I've been just happy enough plugging in the machine, turning it own, belting out a few songs, then turning it off and unplugging it. The fancy stuff hasn't really been a selling point to me. Surprisingly, I haven't even used all of the different sounds yet.
-The piano has a giant CASIO PX850 logo plastered on the back in white. This won't bother you if your Casio is up against a wall, but mine is actually isn't and it's a shame seeing such a high contrast text plastered on my black cabinet. I was hoping that only labels on the machine I had to deal with were the ones on the front next to the ominous red lights I can't turn off.
-Can't turn the red lights off? Shame. I wish they just sort of shut off after a few seconds.
Overall, this unit out performs my previous upright piano. I'm upgrading the review to a four until I become more familiar with the more advanced controls.
Apparently I screwed up when posting my long September review. So just to summarize, the piano is still holding up very well. I've upgraded to a 32 GB USB to further explore the recording options, and overall I'm still highly satisfied. As far as cons go, I think the number of red lights that are on at the same time are a little excessive, but I never notice them when I'm playing. Still happy with this purchase and the piano is holding up well even under very forceful strikes and regular use for about 3 months.
So it's been a little over half a year.
Here's my update:
+The piano is still very much in working condition, with minimal wear.
+My piano playing has improved dramatically
+The lid is wide enough to rest my old laptop on, which has dramatically increased the utility of recording music
+I've learned to easily record my play, modify transpose, use dual voice features, adjust the volume of each voice, use the metronome, etc.
+Everything is still in tune... which, I mean, is expected for an electronic instrument--but still, kudos, Casio.
-The keys in the octave just above middle C are beginning to creak very slightly. I can certainly hear a greater give in the keys I routinely play compared to the keys I don't. It's way more disconcerting that it is actually distracting. I can't hear it when I play, or with the headphones on, but when the piano is turned off and I press the keys I can make out definitive differences in keys I've played a lot on vs keys I haven't.
-Sometimes I'll try to record a song and only realize after I've finished playing and moved the USB to my computer to view the waveform that I wasn't recording while I was playing. I've had this instrument for a 3/4ths of a year and I'm still having an issue with the unintuitive feedback user interface. Maybe I'm just a dummy (trust me, I'm not counting that out) but seriously, there should have just been a single dedicated red button you push to record and you push again to stop recording. Instead, to record, I have to push a button called AUDIO SETTINGS then wait while the lights next to AUDIO RECORDER and SONG RECORDER buttons flash five times, which means it's reading my USB drive (obviously, right?), then I push AUDIO RECORDER again and then a yellow light comes on for SONG RECORDER and the AUDIO RECORDER red light will flash once and then (hopefully) it will record whatever I play next--UNLESS if it completely refreshes my piano settings to the default settings. Also if the red button next to AUDIO RECORDER keeps flashing, you pushed it too many times and have to push it again so it only flashes once so it starts recording. I mean seriously. I have a 15 year old YAMAHA keyboard that records with just a one button press and stops when you press it again. It cost $30 bucks. It's something that still frustrates me.