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China and the Chinese Kindle Edition
- LanguageEnglish
- Publication dateMarch 24, 2011
- File size243 KB
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Customers find the book interesting and well-written. They enjoy the historical account of Chinese society at the turn of the last century. The author gets them thinking with his lectures, making the material worth reading for those interested in learning about it.
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Customers find the book interesting and engaging. They enjoy the author's lectures and find the writing conversational and easy to understand. The historical account of Chinese society at the turn of the last century is interesting, though somewhat outdated.
"...by the author at Columbia Unviersity in 1902, covering subjects such as the Chinese language, library, government structure, religion, manners and..." Read more
"...the dynastic age, I'm surprised that this book is not as dated, culturally speaking, as one might assume. In the second lecture...." Read more
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- Reviewed in the United States on November 26, 2011The author of this book, Professor Herbert Allen Giles (1845 - 1935) was a British diplomat officially stationed in China between 1880-1893. Unlike many ivory tower academics, he had the real life experience to develop an in-depth understanding of China and its people.
I have reviewed another book by Professor Giles, "China and the Manchus"China and the Manchus. Unlike that book, which can be considered a more serious historical work, this book has a lighter tone, as it is composed of a series of lectures by the author at Columbia Unviersity in 1902, covering subjects such as the Chinese language, library, government structure, religion, manners and customs. It even had a fascinating chapter titled "China and Ancient Greece", giving curious comparision between these two different yet comparable civilizations.
This book makes enjoyable reading for anyone interested in Chinese culture. The writing is highly conversational, breaking up information is easily digestable bits. Many observations he made are as relevant today as they were almost 110 years ago, while the others are completely outdated.
For example, his observation that learning to speak Chinese is relatively easy remains true today, since the Chinese language lacks grammatical restraints. "After 6 months he should be able to chatter away more or less accurately on a variety of interesting subjects." However, he considered the written form of Chinese language "may fairly be regarded as a sufficient study for a lifetime...because [it] is often so extremely terse as to make it obscure, and sometimes so lavishly ornate ..." This was true in 1902, but is no longer true because the written Chinese language has been reformed extensively during the first quarter of the 20th century, and is no longer terse or ornate.
It is interesting to see certain misconceptions linger on despite the passage of time. Even today, many westerners still think the people in China discriminate against females heavily, even to the extent of abondoning or killing baby girls on a regular basis. While such incidents indeed happen (hardly surprising given the odds in a country of over 1.3 billion people), they are not the norm. Professor Giles responded to this very misconception in this book, describing his first-person account showing that such misconception is due to exaggeration by locals and visitors alike, and sensational stories often take on lives of their own.
He also examined the old Chinese custom of binding girl's feet(thankfully such custom died out a few decades after this book was written). Westerns then and now often see such a horrible custom as evidence of oppression of women by the men or the establishment. The real reasons are more complex: (1) The Qing Dynasty (which ruled China for over 250 years until 1911) did not require or encourage foot-binding. In fact, it attempted to outlaw such practice but was resisted by the people. (2) Mothers were the ones insisting on binding their daughters' feet, because bound feet were considered attractive and would improve the daughters' marriage prospect, thus, all the pain and suffering would be worthwhile. Curiously, the same argument may be made for the stick thin figures and 5 inch heels regarded as standards of beauty today in China and the western world alike. Everyone knows such "fashion" can be painful and unhealthy, but for a large section of the population, such pain is worth it if it gives them a comparative advantage in attractiveness. As Professor Giles observed astutely, "Here we have the real obstable to the abolition of this horrible custom, which vast numbers of intelligent Chinese would be only too glad to get rid of, if fashion did not stand in the way."
Of course, some of the customs may be laughable to anyone familiar with the modern Chinaese customs, just like certain Victorian customs will be hilarious in modern UK or America. For example, a polite man should cover his face with his fan (which he apparently carries all the time) when meeting a friend in the street if (1) the friend is riding a horse or a sedan chair or (2) if the man is in a hurry and does want to chat. At least these make highly amusing readings. If nothing else, it would help us to understand certain Chinese dramas set in the bygone era.
P.S. please note the frequent use of the term "Chinaman" in this book does not mean that the author was a racist. The English language evolves over time, and something that may sound derogatory today did not necessarily have the same meaning 100 years ago.
- Reviewed in the United States on January 2, 2013Good read but a bit dated! I had an objective to get an overview of China as quickly as possible and this was one of the first books I read.
- Reviewed in the United States on March 10, 2013While some readers might find the academic nature of this book a little dry, the cultural insights from 100+ years ago are enlightening all the same. The best part about this book is the care that Giles takes to remain as objective as possible in his lectures. There are some exceptions where it is clear he believes we have something to learn from the Chinese. In my opinion however, this is a welcome viewpoint to have; it seems so many today have misunderstood who the Chinese are.
Having lived in China for over a year and a half, I found that I agreed with several things he said in regard to Chinese culture. I also learned a lot more--for instance, the parallels he draws between ancient Greek and Chinese cultures are startling. Considering that this book was written before the end of the dynastic age, I'm surprised that this book is not as dated, culturally speaking, as one might assume.
In the second lecture. Giles goes through the volumes and volumes of Chinese literature books in the Cambridge library, almost like he's explaining to a visitor what the library contains. While fascinating to consider the depth of literature available at the time, I found this chapter hard to finish. Others may enjoy this lecture more than I did. This is why I give the book four stars instead of five.
In short, don't let the age of the book stop you from picking it up. It's worth your time if you have any interest in shedding light on the "mysteries" of China and its culture. Don't read it if you need a modern look at China today.
- Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2015Fascinating historical account of Chinese society at the turn of the last century. Especially appreciated the tale of "Chinese Democracy", which accepts authoritarian rule, but used mass protest to depose brutal, arrogant officials. Also very entertaining to follow the author's disparaging account of the phoney history and prevalent superstition of Taoism. The Tao Te Ching was likely not written by a contemporary of Confucius, and--as any reader may recognize--includes commentary and extraneous text introduced by later contributors. Unlike some other ancient sacred texts, however, the power of the message does not depend on authenticity of authorship. I'll continue to enjoy it, just like the plays and sonnets of whoever that was who wrote Shakespeare.
- Reviewed in the United States on July 17, 2013Although a long time has passed since this book was written, it is still very interesting to read. I would even say that, in a way, being around one century old does add some interest to the description of China and the Chinese, beyond the somehow blinding brightness of the China's recent changes (in the last 20 years or so), and even before the communism transformed drastically its social and political structures (not so much the background, historically driven by the inertia of thousands of years, mentality).
Most of the contents included in this book are either still valid nowadays, or are historically interesting. Overall, I must say, it is quite "modern" in the sense of breaking secular myths about China, and bringing a more real, down-to-earth, view of this big country. I would recommend it to all interested in getting a general overview of China and its culture/s, and not requiring it to be up-to-date.
- Reviewed in the United States on January 21, 2013Amatures and experts should avoid this book. It was free so what can you expect. I listened to it while I was stuck in trafic, but that should be your only excuse.
Top reviews from other countries
WidgetmanReviewed in the United Kingdom on September 1, 20165.0 out of 5 stars interesting insight
An accurate assessment that is still true today. Most insightful last chapter. Well worth reading. Learnt things and put China and its people into perspective of currents events.
Amazon CustomerReviewed in India on July 25, 20161.0 out of 5 stars One Star
OK book.
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clarisReviewed in Spain on August 1, 20144.0 out of 5 stars Muy interesante
Aun no he terminado, pero como lectura previa a mi visita a China me gusta mucho.¡Para nosotros del mundo Occidental China es MUY diferente!
magentaReviewed in Japan on November 29, 20135.0 out of 5 stars Wished it was longer
Intelligent, well-informed description of the Chinese language and thinking. Meaningful even today.
John WWReviewed in the United Kingdom on March 5, 20163.0 out of 5 stars Very interesting window into the baffling language and a terrific introduction that is a window into an enormous country
Very interesting window into the baffling language and a terrific introduction that is a window into an enormous country, people, culture and history. Links with ancient Greece intriguing. Outdated and sometimes judgmental, it's a good little book that possible says as much about the West 120 years ago as it does about China and the Chinese 1000 years ago. Worth a read, for sure.






