A few days ago I posted a harsh review of this book. I decided that my criticisms were unfair in that my reactions had as much to do with my approach to learning a language as they did with the book itself.
I've acquired a professional interest in learning Turkish. My ultimate goal is to be able to read Turkish journals and Turkish publications in history and social science. I wouldn't mind acquiring some spoken fluency as well, but it is not my first priority. I am clearly not the audience for whom "Colloquial Turkish" was published. (The title should have been my first clue.) Some of my frustration with the book arise from the fact that the authors didn't write the book that I wanted them to.
That being said, even those who are most interested in conversational Turkish should be forewarned. Aarssen and Backus clearly believe in learning through immersion without much comment about how the language actually works. The book's central pedagogical device is the dialogue, one of which begins each lesson. These dialoques present situations -- meeting a friend on the street, introducing one's English family to one's Turkish friends, etc. The dialogues are followed by vocabulary lists. There is very limited discussion of the mechanics of the language. This makes for a slow start indeed. One can memorize vocabulary, but if you want to start putting together sentences and in other ways build your repertoire, you will find yourself frustrated. You'll want to start thinking in Turkish and trying out your own little expressions based on the content of the dialogue, but you won't have the tools.
In other ways, the presentation appears to be needlessly obscure. The exercises that appear in each unit are pretty sparse, and the explanations are often cryptic. This problem is compounded by the fact that examples and explanations often use vocabulary that hasn't been introduced in the vocabulary lists, and they may use verb tenses that haven't been covered. This makes for tough sledding, though, again, I think the authors do this intentionally on the principle that one expands one's command of the language by confronting forms and vocabulary that one hasn't previously seen. My argument would be that learning is much faster and more effective if these new forms, etc., are accompanied by more explanation.
I don't want to bash the book. I've been using it for several weeks now and I've made some headway. But I am basically self-teaching, and this is not the way I approach learning a language.
In my conversations with a couple of people who teach Turkish and from what explorations I've been able to carry out, I would say that if your approach sounds like mine, you would be better off with "Elementary Turkish" by Kurtuluº Oztopçu. It's not cheap at $75.00 plus shipping, but you get a much more complete text plus two CDs to help with pronunciation. If you buy "Colloquial Turkish" with accompanying CDs, you'll pay about the same. Unfortunately, I think you may have to buy "Elementary Turkish" online directly from the author. I haven't seen it listed on Amazon.
Colloquial Turkish: The Complete Course for Beginners (Colloquial Series) 2nd Edition
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Jeroen Aarssen
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Ad Backus
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Colloquial Turkish is the ideal introduction to the language! Written by experienced teachers of the language, Colloquial Turkish offers a step-by-step approach to Turkish as it is spoken and written today. No previous knowledge of the language is required.
What makes this course your best choice for language learning?
* Ideal for independent study and class use
* Varied, dialogue-based exercises with thorough answer key
* Up-to-date vocabulary, including computer terms
* Jargon-free grammar notes
* Extensive Turkish-English, English-Turkish glossaries
By the end of this lively and accessible course, you will be able to communicate confidently and effectively in Turkish in a broad range of everyday situations.
This pack contains two 60-minute cassettes and CDs which accompany the Colloquial Turkish coursebook. Recorded by native speakers, they will help your pronunciation, listening and speaking skills.
What makes this course your best choice for language learning?
* Ideal for independent study and class use
* Varied, dialogue-based exercises with thorough answer key
* Up-to-date vocabulary, including computer terms
* Jargon-free grammar notes
* Extensive Turkish-English, English-Turkish glossaries
By the end of this lively and accessible course, you will be able to communicate confidently and effectively in Turkish in a broad range of everyday situations.
This pack contains two 60-minute cassettes and CDs which accompany the Colloquial Turkish coursebook. Recorded by native speakers, they will help your pronunciation, listening and speaking skills.
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Ad Backus is a researcher at the Department of Linguistics, Tilburg University. Jeroen Aarssen is a researcher at the Centre for Studies of Multilingualism, Tilburg University.
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Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on April 26, 2010
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Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on December 22, 2016
This course has good stuff with a baffling layout.
pros
-legible, everything is easy to read.
-goes over all verb tenses
-good binding
-logical explanations of Turkish grammar
-tons of examples
-tons of content
cons
-badly organized
-inconsistent layout for examples and charts
-some examples were translated, some weren't
-I had to dig for some explanations of concepts that were hidden within long paragraphs.
I can still recommend this course, but I would highly encourage also using other courses that have a more sensible organization.
pros
-legible, everything is easy to read.
-goes over all verb tenses
-good binding
-logical explanations of Turkish grammar
-tons of examples
-tons of content
cons
-badly organized
-inconsistent layout for examples and charts
-some examples were translated, some weren't
-I had to dig for some explanations of concepts that were hidden within long paragraphs.
I can still recommend this course, but I would highly encourage also using other courses that have a more sensible organization.
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Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on June 15, 2014
People have complained about the layout of this book. Yes, it is difficult. Yes, the authors don't translate everything for you but they give you enough lead to figure things out. Having to figure out what things mean is part of learning a new language. I am living in Turkey right now and I have over a dozen books on the Turkish language.
THIS ONE IS BY FAR THE BEST.
If you need additional help figuring things out, I recommend the following two free websites to supplement your use of this book:
Tureng.com (a powerful dictionary) and turkishlanguage.co.uk (a great grammar site).
THIS ONE IS BY FAR THE BEST.
If you need additional help figuring things out, I recommend the following two free websites to supplement your use of this book:
Tureng.com (a powerful dictionary) and turkishlanguage.co.uk (a great grammar site).
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Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on May 3, 2008
There is a serious problem with the Kindle version of this book. On many occasions, the difference between dotted and undotted i, [I can't seem to upload a review with the correct letters either], g and yumasak g and even sometimes s with the cedilla is not clear. Those differences are vital in Turkish, especially for beginners (like me). My guess is that this is due to optical character reading problems.
I suspect this will be cleared up in the future. Kindle is still a new technology, and in just about every other respect it's been wonderful.
When it is cleared up, though, I hope re-downloads are free.
Gerry Schulze
I suspect this will be cleared up in the future. Kindle is still a new technology, and in just about every other respect it's been wonderful.
When it is cleared up, though, I hope re-downloads are free.
Gerry Schulze
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Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on July 8, 2022
Positive:
I borrowed this in paperback from my local library before deciding to purchase the eBook version. The book is dense with useful information to get one started in speaking and understanding spoken Turkish as soon as possible. I like the free audio downloads on their website.
Negative:
Unfortunately, as of May 2022, I found many uncorrected mistakes in the eBook format for some of the unique Turkish letter such as i and g. This persists whether the eBook is sold from an ePUB eBook seller or from Amazon Kindle (you can read a book sample from other eBook sellers to confirm the publisher hasn't edited their mistakes yet in any revised eBook edition).
There are also formatting issues that turned a greater-than symbol " > " into the markup text of something like #x003E for some tables. Only because I have studied Turkish for a few months was I able to spot the wrong Turkish letters in a basic word like "nasılsın?" being incorrectly rendered as "nasilsin?" However, there are probably many more errors that I haven't caught because I am still learning Turkish, hence needing the Colloquial Turkish textbook!
I have made notes and corrected the eBook when I notice errors, but it is a disappointment for serious learners who may want to write properly in Turkish with native speakers. When I have doubts, I check against an online Turkish-English dictionary, which thankfully helps learners by pointing out the mistakes between dotted i and non-dotted i (correctly written as " ı "). One should not rely on this book alone if attempting to write well.
I borrowed this in paperback from my local library before deciding to purchase the eBook version. The book is dense with useful information to get one started in speaking and understanding spoken Turkish as soon as possible. I like the free audio downloads on their website.
Negative:
Unfortunately, as of May 2022, I found many uncorrected mistakes in the eBook format for some of the unique Turkish letter such as i and g. This persists whether the eBook is sold from an ePUB eBook seller or from Amazon Kindle (you can read a book sample from other eBook sellers to confirm the publisher hasn't edited their mistakes yet in any revised eBook edition).
There are also formatting issues that turned a greater-than symbol " > " into the markup text of something like #x003E for some tables. Only because I have studied Turkish for a few months was I able to spot the wrong Turkish letters in a basic word like "nasılsın?" being incorrectly rendered as "nasilsin?" However, there are probably many more errors that I haven't caught because I am still learning Turkish, hence needing the Colloquial Turkish textbook!
I have made notes and corrected the eBook when I notice errors, but it is a disappointment for serious learners who may want to write properly in Turkish with native speakers. When I have doubts, I check against an online Turkish-English dictionary, which thankfully helps learners by pointing out the mistakes between dotted i and non-dotted i (correctly written as " ı "). One should not rely on this book alone if attempting to write well.
Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on August 12, 2015
It's very good in its contents however it should be better in terms of paper quality and printing
Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on October 14, 2014
I purchased the CD however, I find it difficult to learn from. I beleive it would be best if sold WITH a text book and not the CD on it's own.
Reviewed in the United States 🇺🇸 on January 20, 2015
Seems like it could be interesting but i paid for the kindle version that was actually supposed to come with the downloadable mp3's... if those were actually attached in some way i may have continued using but can't find them for download ANYWHERE!
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Petter Brabec
2.0 out of 5 stars
No system, so make your own?
Reviewed in the United Kingdom 🇬🇧 on February 22, 2008
The good is that you have to make effort to learn it, and I mean REALLY make an effort. The language is very different from indoeuropean ones, so don't wait any resemblance to what you know of other languages unless you're fluent in Hungarian or Finnish (agglutinative ones).
Turkish language builds up sentences very differently from how they are translated to English. You can't follow...Here lies also the core for my sigh. Yes, the dialogues can be silly, but I want to know WHAT I'm saying when training. The book seems to lack pedagogical system for how to learn this difficult language. This book is put together in a very haphazardous way. I don't want to read, you'll get to it, it'll be natural for you in no time etc. I want to know how am I to express correctly what I want to say and I want to understand why! Clear system for gradual introduction to the logic of the language would be much better.
Turkish language builds up sentences very differently from how they are translated to English. You can't follow...Here lies also the core for my sigh. Yes, the dialogues can be silly, but I want to know WHAT I'm saying when training. The book seems to lack pedagogical system for how to learn this difficult language. This book is put together in a very haphazardous way. I don't want to read, you'll get to it, it'll be natural for you in no time etc. I want to know how am I to express correctly what I want to say and I want to understand why! Clear system for gradual introduction to the logic of the language would be much better.
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itsbruce
2.0 out of 5 stars
... edition has basic formatting errors which make it nearly useless. For example
Reviewed in the United Kingdom 🇬🇧 on August 21, 2017
The kindle edition has basic formatting errors which make it nearly useless. For example, the alphabet pronunciation goes
a. as u in English 'truck'
b. as b in English 'bus'
c. as c in English 'John'
d. as ch in English 'chocolate'
e. as d in English 'door'
and so on. Trivial, stupid mistake.
a. as u in English 'truck'
b. as b in English 'bus'
c. as c in English 'John'
d. as ch in English 'chocolate'
e. as d in English 'door'
and so on. Trivial, stupid mistake.
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mark robbie
5.0 out of 5 stars
but I find the books approach very easy and helpfull
Reviewed in the United Kingdom 🇬🇧 on June 10, 2018
OK, I have started to learn Turkish through Duolingo so have a running start, but I find the books approach very easy and helpfull. I wish I could find the CD's though.
servicio
1.0 out of 5 stars
So sollte man ein Buch nicht schreiben
Reviewed in Germany 🇩🇪 on March 3, 2020
In den Rezensionen findet sich jene von Philip Keegan, welche wohl die fundierteste inhaltliche Kritik darstellt: sprachliche Fehler und dümmliche Dialoge.
Mein wesentlicher Kritikpunkt ist die ungenügende (nicht mehr "mangelhaft"!) Orientierung im Buch. Das Inhaltsverzeichnis, das nicht die geringsten Informationen zu den Kapiteln liefert. Den Kapiteln vorgeschaltet (man muss also ins Buch reinblättern) sind Lernziele, die allerdings auch kaum aufklären, was anschließend dargestellt wird. Eine Sprache besteht - grob gesagt - aus Vokabeln und grammatischen Modulen. Die Vokabeln werden nach bestimmten Standards gegliedert - Reihenfolge im Text, alphabetisch, nach Wortfeldern (onomasiologisch). Da kann man schon Ansätze in dem Buch erkennen. Grammatische Module wären Tempora, Modi, Postpositionen, Kasussystem, Wortbildung, Syntax .... Man findet dazu weder im Inhaltsverzeichnis noch im Index etwas. Das Buch ist insofern ein unübersichtliches Chaos, das ich nur widerwillig zur Hand nehme. Und bevor ich mir in zwei oder drei Stunden eine Übersicht in Word zusammenschreibe, was in dem Buch alles zu finden ist, investiere ich die Zeit lieber zum Erarbeiten eines Moduls in einer ordentlichen Grammatik.
Und man hätte es ja ahnen können. Der Klappentext schreibt u. a.: "Jargon-free grammar notes". - Wer in einem Sprachlehrbuch auf "jargon" verzichtet, stellt sich bewusst außerhalb des üblichen didaktischen Kontextes auf. Zum Begriff "jargon" cf. englische Wikipedia; es handelt sich um "Terminologie" und nicht um den ggf. leicht negativ konnotierten deutschen Begriff "Jargon": "Jargon is the specialized terminology associated with a particular field or area of activity."
Mein wesentlicher Kritikpunkt ist die ungenügende (nicht mehr "mangelhaft"!) Orientierung im Buch. Das Inhaltsverzeichnis, das nicht die geringsten Informationen zu den Kapiteln liefert. Den Kapiteln vorgeschaltet (man muss also ins Buch reinblättern) sind Lernziele, die allerdings auch kaum aufklären, was anschließend dargestellt wird. Eine Sprache besteht - grob gesagt - aus Vokabeln und grammatischen Modulen. Die Vokabeln werden nach bestimmten Standards gegliedert - Reihenfolge im Text, alphabetisch, nach Wortfeldern (onomasiologisch). Da kann man schon Ansätze in dem Buch erkennen. Grammatische Module wären Tempora, Modi, Postpositionen, Kasussystem, Wortbildung, Syntax .... Man findet dazu weder im Inhaltsverzeichnis noch im Index etwas. Das Buch ist insofern ein unübersichtliches Chaos, das ich nur widerwillig zur Hand nehme. Und bevor ich mir in zwei oder drei Stunden eine Übersicht in Word zusammenschreibe, was in dem Buch alles zu finden ist, investiere ich die Zeit lieber zum Erarbeiten eines Moduls in einer ordentlichen Grammatik.
Und man hätte es ja ahnen können. Der Klappentext schreibt u. a.: "Jargon-free grammar notes". - Wer in einem Sprachlehrbuch auf "jargon" verzichtet, stellt sich bewusst außerhalb des üblichen didaktischen Kontextes auf. Zum Begriff "jargon" cf. englische Wikipedia; es handelt sich um "Terminologie" und nicht um den ggf. leicht negativ konnotierten deutschen Begriff "Jargon": "Jargon is the specialized terminology associated with a particular field or area of activity."
E Gadsby
1.0 out of 5 stars
I must have spotted around a dozen mistakes as bad as this so far and
Reviewed in the United Kingdom 🇬🇧 on January 28, 2015
I'm only a few lessons into this book, and already I have come across numerous basic errors. For example, the lesson on question words tells you that "kim" means "where", but it actually means "who". I must have spotted around a dozen mistakes as bad as this so far and, given that I am a complete beginner in Turkish, I suspect there are many more that I haven't noticed.
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