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A Fire Upon The Deep (Zones of Thought, 1) Mass Market Paperback – February 15, 1993

4.4 4.4 out of 5 stars 4,174 ratings

A Hugo award-winning Novel!

“Vinge is one of the best visionary writers of SF today.” David Brin

Thousands of years in the future, humanity is no longer alone in a universe where a mind's potential is determined by its location in space, from superintelligent entities in the Transcend, to the limited minds of the Unthinking Depths, where only simple creatures, and technology, can function. Nobody knows what strange force partitioned space into these "regions of thought," but when the warring Straumli realm use an ancient Transcendent artifact as a weapon, they unwittingly unleash an awesome power that destroys thousands of worlds and enslaves all natural and artificial intelligence.

Fleeing this galactic threat, Ravna crash lands on a strange world with a ship-hold full of cryogenically frozen children, the only survivors from a destroyed space-lab. They are taken captive by the Tines, an alien race with a harsh medieval culture, and used as pawns in a ruthless power struggle.

Tor books by Vernor Vinge

Zones of Thought Series
A Fire Upon The Deep
A Deepness In The Sky
The Children of The Sky

Realtime/Bobble Series
The Peace War
Marooned in Realtime

Other Novels
The Witling
Tatja Grimm's World
Rainbows End

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Collected Stories of Vernor Vinge
True Names

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Amazon.com Review

In this Hugo-winning 1991 SF novel, Vernor Vinge gives us a wild new cosmology, a galaxy-spanning "Net of a Million Lies," some finely imagined aliens, and much nail-biting suspense.

Faster-than-light travel remains impossible near Earth, deep in the galaxy's Slow Zone--but physical laws relax in the surrounding Beyond. Outside that again is the Transcend, full of unguessable, godlike "Powers." When human meddling wakes an old Power, the Blight, this spreads like a wildfire mind virus that turns whole civilizations into its unthinking tools. And the half-mythical Countermeasure, if it exists, is lost with two human children on primitive Tines World.

Serious complications follow. One paranoid alien alliance blames humanity for the Blight and launches a genocidal strike. Pham Nuwen, the man who knows about Countermeasure, escapes this ruin in the spacecraft Out of Band--heading for more violence and treachery, with 500 warships soon in hot pursuit. On his destination world, the fascinating Tines are intelligent only in combination: named "individuals" are small packs of the doglike aliens. Primitive doesn't mean stupid, and opposed Tine leaders wheedle the young castaways for information about guns and radios. Low-tech war looms, with elaborately nested betrayals and schemes to seize Out of Band if it ever arrives. The tension becomes extreme... while half the Beyond debates the issues on galactic Usenet.

Vinge's climax is suitably mindboggling. This epic combines the flash and dazzle of old-style space opera with modern, polished thoughtfulness. Pham Nuwen also appears in the nifty prequel set 30,000 years earlier, A Deepness in the Sky. Both recommended. --David Langford, Amazon.co.uk

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“Fleeing a menace of galactic proportions, a spaceship crashes on an unfamiliar world, leaving the survivors--a pair of children--to the not-so-tender mercies of a medieval, lupine race. Responding to the crippled ship's distress signal, a rescue mission races against time to retrieve the children and recover the weapon they need to prevent the universe from being changed forever. Against a background depicting a space-time continuum stratified into 'zones of thought,' the author has created a rarity--a unique blend of hard science, high drama, and superb storytelling.” ―Library Journal

“A tale that burns with the brazen energy of the best space operas of the golden age. Vinge has created a galaxy for the readers of the '90s to believe in...immense, ancient, athrum with data webs, dotted with wonders.” ―
John Clute, Interzone

“Vernor Vinge's best novel yet.” ―Greg Bear, author of Moving Mars

“Vast, riveting, far-future saga...The overall concept astonishes; the aliens are developed with memorable skill and insight, the plot twists and turns with unputdownable tension. A masterpiece of universe building.” ―
Kirkus Reviews

“The first grand SF I've read in ages...Vinge is one of the best visionary writers of SF today.” ―
David Brin, author of Earth

“Fiercely original...Compelling ideas in the book include problems and advantages of group mind, galactic communications turbidity, and the prospect of civilizations aspiring to godhood.” ―Stewart Brand, founder of the Whole Earth Catalog

Product details

  • Publisher ‏ : ‎ Tor Science Fiction (February 15, 1993)
  • Language ‏ : ‎ English
  • Mass Market Paperback ‏ : ‎ 624 pages
  • ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 0812515285
  • ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-0812515282
  • Item Weight ‏ : ‎ 10.5 ounces
  • Dimensions ‏ : ‎ 4.15 x 1.2 x 6.75 inches
  • Customer Reviews:
    4.4 4.4 out of 5 stars 4,174 ratings

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Vernor Steffen Vinge (Listeni/ˈvɜːrnər ˈvɪndʒiː/; born October 2, 1944) is a retired San Diego State University (SDSU) Professor of Mathematics, computer scientist, and science fiction author. He is best known for his Hugo Award-winning novels and novellas A Fire Upon the Deep (1992), A Deepness in the Sky (1999), Rainbows End (2006), Fast Times at Fairmont High (2002), and The Cookie Monster (2004), as well as for his 1984 novel The Peace War and his 1993 essay "The Coming Technological Singularity", in which he argues that the creation of superhuman artificial intelligence will mark the point at which "the human era will be ended", such that no current models of reality are sufficient to predict beyond it.

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Customers find the plot exciting and dramatic, with a strong grasp of dramatic tension. They also describe the book as original, enjoyable, and well-written. Readers find the characters interesting. However, some find the pacing slow and dragged out. Opinions are mixed on entertainment, with some finding it great and satisfying, while others say it's not satisfying.

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169 customers mention "Plot"145 positive24 negative

Customers find the plot exciting and entertaining. They also appreciate the mind-boggling ideas, wonderful complex aliens, and unique twist. Readers also mention the book has a strong grasp of dramatic tension and character development. They say the book is a space opera with interesting details and plenty of dramatic action.

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154 customers mention "Originality"126 positive28 negative

Customers find the book original, with an impressive set of ideas that are fascinating. They also say the setting is great and the storytelling is thoughtful about the meaning of intelligence. Readers also mention that the worldbuilding is imaginative but tighter.

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"...The style is very similar: two different and initially completely distinct threads of action, one involving humans and one aliens, come together..." Read more

"...This novel has an impressive set of ideas that are fascinating. This is a book you have to read if you are a fan of science fiction." Read more

"...And am I glad I did. It turns out this book explores a bunch of SF ideas I don’t think I had ever thought about before...." Read more

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Customers find the book an enjoyable and tremendous read, full of concepts that amaze them at first.

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"This is a masterpiece of a book, deservedly considered a classic...." Read more

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"...When it gets going, though, it becomes quite engrossing, and despite technically being part of a series it functions pretty well as a standalone work..." Read more

"...World Building and The Internet:The author dwells too long on detail and I felt the reader spends a long, long time on the chatter of..." Read more

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"...The characters were nicely built; I have to admit that I cared more for the Tines (packs) than for the humans, though..." Read more

"...my own being the Johanna storyline as it has some of the most compelling characters and world-building, and make no mistake, Vinge's novel excels at..." Read more

"...No character was truly likable. The ending created more questions than answers." Read more

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"...me tell you this monster book, clocking at nearly 600 pages, does have adventure, medieval civilizations, a bit of romance and has its dark side as..." Read more

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"...It's a long book, and I skipped over entire pages...." Read more

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Reviewed in the United States on October 16, 2012
This novel is the absolute epitome of work in Vernor Vinge's "Zones of Thought" universe, where different regions of our galaxy have distinctly different laws of physics. The "hard SF" aspects include differential "speed limits" for computation and travel, meaning that the speed of light is no longer the upper limit in certain parts of the galaxy. Also, a large amount of time is spent explaining bizarre and diverse alien species (herd consciousnesses and sessile plantlike beings are particular features) as well as the information networks that would allow a vast interstellar economy to function. It's extremely well thought out.

However, there is also a large amount of great character drama within the book. An especially interesting feature is that this book contains two parallel stories; one of the interstellar effort to rescue two children who crash landed with their parents on a planet whose inhabitants are stuck in something like the High Middle Ages, and one of the children themselves as they navigate the complex, backward alien society into which they have been thrust.

The Middle Ages aspect combined with the interstellar adventure makes this feel like a combination of a sci fi novel with a fantasy novel. I think that alone makes for tremendous appeal, as Vinge shows the breadth of his writing ability. It helps tremendously that both of these stories are compelling and that they betray the peak of Vinge's ability to write complex characters. A particular highlight for me is a dilletante character who lives on the planet in question, who in another age might be called a genius but who is instead laughed at and ridiculed because he lacks the society (and the connections) to get his outlandish ideas off the ground. It is a reminder of how geniuses can often appear nonsensical unless they live in the proper technological context, and it is also an accurate picture of the struggles of people born before their time. The character reminds me a little of Boltzmann, who was ridiculed into suicide by the scientific community, despite having the most accurate description of thermodynamics yet.

The interstellar society is very creative. It feels like a combination of cyberpunk information systems with the diversity and strangeness of David Brin's Uplift Saga aliens. Vinge manages to effortlessly blend these ideas into a rich galactic culture full of danger and adventure. If any of that appeals to you, you will really enjoy this work.

Note: there's no need to start here if you plan to read A Deepness in the Sky. The two books are independent, entirely. But you should read both, no matter the order!
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Reviewed in the United States on May 17, 2011
Pham's Revenge & The Net of a Million Lies

First Impressions:

I finished Vernor Vinge's "A Fire Upon the Deep" and let me tell you this monster book, clocking at nearly 600 pages, does have adventure, medieval civilizations, a bit of romance and has its dark side as well. Parts of the book do drag and the author might have been in need of an editor, but overall not a bad space tale.

Basic Premise, Some Comments:

In this universe we have 'zones of thought' that are linked through a subspace network, similar to our Internet which is colloquially called the "Net of a Million Lies." Would make a great advertisement for Wikipedia and the World Wide Web of today! The book was written in the 90s and so the pattern is of the Usenet groups of that time.

The book is broken down into several areas - the release of the "Blight", a malignant force that destroys all who oppose it, a family that discovers the "Countermeasure" but crash on a planet of dog-like aliens that only communicate in groups (a "pack" can think and respond only in a group, not singly), Ravna's planet, her job at "Relay" (as a librarian) and her relationship with a human (put together from parts by "The Old One," a superior being from "The Beyond", and their adventures together.

These parts don't always fit well. Each is expanded on (such as in the dog-like alien world, "Tine's World") and that's where the story tends to drag. We get involved in the intrigue, the castles, the battles and traitors of their race. The man and woman mentioned earlier crash-land and are immediately killed by this race. The brother and sister (Jefri and Joanna) are separated and each thinks the other is dead. The warring factions take advantage of this misunderstanding and slowly leech out technology that these children may know for their own advantages.

Interest:

I did enjoy the clash between factions in this alien society and the imaginative way they built "packs" where you would take different skills from each "dog" and they would somehow think together. With the invention of radio, thanks to the humans, the Tines discovered that they could radio to each others' brains! This was interesting but never expanded upon to include the whole race, but just one pack.

Other aspects of the story: The warring factions clash near the last 100 pages of the book which I found fascinating, how each faction used the children as pawns and at one point wanting to kill them to gain advantage.

The part where each discovers that the other is alive is heartwarming but also comes with the price of a life. That was the best part of the book.

Romance: There is a bit of this, between Ravna and Pham (at least before she discovers he's not all man - oops!). Also camaraderie and loyalty between starship captains as they attempt to rescue Ravna from "the Blight." Great space battle here.

World Building and The Internet:

The author dwells too long on detail and I felt the reader spends a long, long time on the chatter of the 'Net, which can be annoying as you just want to story to move along, and the extraordinary time we spend on the Tines' World. There's not a lot of explanation of the "Beyond" and how and what that's all about - just hints of superior beings and we as humans or lesser aliens are their pawns, and only in the lower levels are we safe from them.

Finally, it's a tough book to put down and wait awhile and pick up again. You have to reread a few sections to refresh your memory on what's going on. As well, Vernor Vinge tends to make up words without explanation and leaves it up to the reader to figure out, as well as not fully explaining what's going on. For example it took quite awhile into the book before discovering that the alien "packs" communicated as groups not as individuals.

Final Thoughts:

Overall, a decent read. Set aside some time and give Vinge your full cooperation. May not be as good as the amazing space operas of the Golden Age of Science Fiction, but it is a worthy, if dragged-out read. Recommended.

Vernor Vinge's Other Novels:

The Children of the Sky
Marooned in Realtime
The Collected Stories of Vernor Vinge
A Deepness in the Sky  [Sequel to "Fire."]
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Matt
5.0 out of 5 stars An impressive piece of writing
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on December 5, 2021
This is a large book and I was a bit apprehensive about reading it. I was worried that there would be too much going on, too many characters and I'd just get a bit lost. Thankfully this wasn't the case. The plot is actually quite straightforward and and the majority of the book focuses on just a few sets of characters. I think the main thing that will divide readers is the pace. Whilst there are a number of epic, well thought out and exciting set pieces there's also a fair amount of exposition which slows things down quite considerably. About two thirds of the way through I began to worry that the ending might be a bit underwhelming and that I'd be disappointed after putting in so much time reading the story. Thankfully the ending is very satisfying. I understand that there's a prequel and a sequel and whilst I've got a stack of books to get through beforehand, I wouldn't rule out checking them out in the not too distant future.
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Timothy Atwood
5.0 out of 5 stars Well done sci-fi
Reviewed in Canada on January 14, 2019
Excellent. Well realized alien races and a unique view of the galaxy. Plenty of tension and suspense. Believable characters. Good character development. Just about everything a lover of science fiction could want.
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5.0 out of 5 stars Wonderful Book
Reviewed in Spain on February 8, 2019
"A Fire Upon the Deep" is a masterpiece in the genre. A book for lovers of challenging and serious science fiction. It's one of those stories that make you feel tiny in an uncaring universe while at the same time fill you with wonder. Everything in it is big: the ideas, the characters, the scale of events. This is what happens when you make GOOD science fiction.
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Gaffin redet
5.0 out of 5 stars Wenn eine Künstliche Intelligenz "künstliche" Informationen produziert
Reviewed in Germany on August 17, 2018
Vince setzt seiner Studie der technischen Singularität fort. Interessant ist das Zusammenleben zwischen den intelligenten Lebewesen (die Menschen sind dabei nur noch eine kleine Gruppe am Rand) und diese künstlichen Intelligenzen. Sie werden nicht mehr als eine reine Gefahr oder mindestens eine Diskussionsthema über ihre Freilassung oder nicht. Nein, sie gehören der Welt, spielen ihre Rolle in der Gesellschaft, sind gut, böse (oder mit undefinierter Absicht), entwickeln sich und sogar sterben, genauso wie andere Lebewesen.

Ein weiteres Visionäraspekt, das Vinge in die Liga der Großen bestätigt, ist die Problematik der Informationqualität und deren Wirkung auf die Welt. Information, Desinformation, rafinierte Manipulation ... Was stimmt denn noch? Was stimmt definitiv nicht? Kann man der Quelle vertrauen? Versteht man überhaupt noch die Mendung richtig?
Das Thema ist leider keine SciFic, sondern unser Alltag. Wenn Trump lesen könnte, glaubte man fast, dass er Vinge gelesen hat.Bei diesem Werk könnte man den Name der Kunsttechnik "Mise en abyme" aus zwei Gründen fast wortwörtlich nehmen.

1) "Abyme" bedeutet Abgrund, also "deep" in english. Die Inszenirung des Kontrasts zwischen dem "Beyond", wo eine künstliche Intellingenz eine Art Bürgerkrieg auslöst (denken Sie an Terminator, es ist sehr ähnlich) und viele Welte zerstören lässt oder "ins Feuer setzt", und dem "Slow Zone", wo nur noch unter der Lichtgeschwindigkeit eine Reise denkbar ist und von "oben" wie einen geheimnisvollen Abgrund wahrgenommen wird, ist eine litterale "Mise en abyme".
2) Ja, die anderen Rezensionen haben recht. Vinge Kreativität ist sehr beeindruckend (Beispiel: Spezies wie die Rudel von Wolfen, die ein Vernetzes Wesen durch die Synchronisierung ihrer Gehirne gestalten) und sein Buch hat die Dimension eines Space Operas. Und ja, sie haben auch recht: Vinge geht oft nicht ins Detail. Wir bekommen nur Bruchteile der Themen mit. Als würden wir den Trailer einer Oper zuschauen. Insofern spürt der Leser die potenzielle Tiefe der erschaffenen Welt, doch ohne dorthin zugelangen. Auch wird es dem Leser schwindelig, sich "den Abgrund" (oder die Tiefe) dieser Geschichte vorzustellen, ohne hinrunter zu fallen.

Eine echte Mise en Abyme (nach der Definition) könnte man so sehen:
Eine Künstliche Intelligenz produziert künstliche Informationen

Für Beispiele von Mise en Abyme empfehle ich "Ubik" oder "The Man in the high Castle" von P.K Dick zu lesen. Es gibt extrem viel Werke, die die Technik nutzen. Die Wikipedia Artikel listen nur einen Burchteil davon auf.
In meinem Buch (3939044466) finden Sie sowohl eine technichen Singularität als auch eine Vorführung in der Technik der Mise en Abyme. Und eine Desinformation fehlt im Inventar nicht.
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5.0 out of 5 stars Slow to start but worth it
Reviewed in Australia on December 24, 2021
I really struggled to get through the first third or so, while the settings and characters are very original, the story took a while to gain momentum. That said, once it took off, it was a thrilling ride. Very worth the read.