- Series: Haworth Gay and Lesbian Studies
- Hardcover: 262 pages
- Publisher: Routledge (December 16, 1994)
- Language: English
- ISBN-10: 1560249099
- ISBN-13: 978-1560249092
- Product Dimensions: 8.8 x 6.3 x 0.8 inches
- Shipping Weight: 1.2 pounds
- Average Customer Review: 3.3 out of 5 stars See all reviews (6 customer reviews)
- Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #7,772,115 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)
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And the Flag Was Still There: Straight People, Gay People, and Sexuality in the U.S. Military (Haworth Gay and Lesbian Studies)
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As most readers know, Kinsey as Shawver has done in this book counterpoised heterosexuality and homosexuality on a single bipolar continum, which ranges from exclusive homosexuality to exclusive heterosexuality, creating a kind of "zero sum game," in which the more one is hetereosexual, the less one is homosexual, and vice versa.
At the outset, the lack of clarification of the terms "hetersexual", "bisexual", and "homsexual" are much more complicated than thier casual usage by Shawver. Perhaps this book and the obvious modernist underpinnings shed light on the assault led by Lois Schawver on gay lesbian and bisexual participants in the Marriage Family Therapy online community. This book leads to the forcing out and osterization of homosexuals within thier communities with the alternatives left after shedding the current don't ask don't tell policy in effect.
The main text of the book is divided into nine chapters, as follows:
1. "Why the Military Would Ban Homosexuals"
2. "The Question of Heterosexual Modesty"
3. "Nakedness and the Etiquette of Disregard"
4. "Why Some People Dislike Gays"
5. "The Problem with Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
6. "How Many Homosexuals Are There Really?"
7. "How Would Homosexuals Affect Morale?"
8. "Stories of Real People Hurt by the Ban"
9. "How It Would Work in Our Post Cold War Military"
Shawver states her position in her preface: "I have become increasingly confident that it is time for the United States to drop our military ban against homosexuals." Shawver has clearly been diligent in documenting the facts that support her argument. The main text is followed by extensive endnotes (pages 155-214), many of which incorporate substantial quotes. These endnotes are followed by a lengthy bibliography (pages 215-249). The book also includes separate subject and name indexes.Read more ›
I am moved by Shawver's arguments, and that she is a heterosexual reflects the enlightened attitudes for a non-gay, non-discriminating person to have<LB> All who seek to be informed on this painful issue must read AND THE FLAG WAS STILL THERE<LB>
Most Recent Customer Reviews
This book was the best book I've read in years. I would reccomend it to any gay or lesbian who was considering going into the military.Published on December 28, 1998
This book is very funny. For all the wrong reasons. One sentence: "To look at the homosexual and say he or she is unnatural is like looking at an unconventionally clipped... Read morePublished on July 29, 1998