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And the Flag Was Still There: Straight People, Gay People, and Sexuality in the U.S. Military (Haworth Gay and Lesbian Studies)

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ISBN-10: 1560249099
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Date of Publication: 1995
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Product Details

  • Series: Haworth Gay and Lesbian Studies
  • Hardcover: 262 pages
  • Publisher: Routledge (December 16, 1994)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 1560249099
  • ISBN-13: 978-1560249092
  • Product Dimensions: 8.8 x 6.3 x 0.8 inches
  • Shipping Weight: 1.2 pounds
  • Average Customer Review: 3.3 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (6 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #7,772,115 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

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Format: Hardcover
I was shocked that Lois Shawver who paints herself as representing the "TRUE POSTMODERN" would have written a book with such obvious underpinnings of a MODERNIST theory of sexuality, Kinsey (1948,1953).

As most readers know, Kinsey as Shawver has done in this book counterpoised heterosexuality and homosexuality on a single bipolar continum, which ranges from exclusive homosexuality to exclusive heterosexuality, creating a kind of "zero sum game," in which the more one is hetereosexual, the less one is homosexual, and vice versa.

At the outset, the lack of clarification of the terms "hetersexual", "bisexual", and "homsexual" are much more complicated than thier casual usage by Shawver. Perhaps this book and the obvious modernist underpinnings shed light on the assault led by Lois Schawver on gay lesbian and bisexual participants in the Marriage Family Therapy online community. This book leads to the forcing out and osterization of homosexuals within thier communities with the alternatives left after shedding the current don't ask don't tell policy in effect.
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Format: Paperback
"And the Flag Was Still There: Straight People, Gay People and Sexuality in the U.S. Military," by Lois Shawver, is an interesting addition to the substantial body of literature on this topic. The book features a foreword by Margarethe Cammermeyer (who tells her own story of being a lesbian in the U.S. Army in the book "Serving in Silence"). An "About the Author" paragraph at the start of the book identifies Shawver as a clinical psychologist who has worked as a psychotherapist for 20 years. This paragraph also notes, "She served as an expert in the Canadian review of their ban on homosexuals in the military and was influential in the lifting of that ban in October 1992."

The main text of the book is divided into nine chapters, as follows:

1. "Why the Military Would Ban Homosexuals"

2. "The Question of Heterosexual Modesty"

3. "Nakedness and the Etiquette of Disregard"

4. "Why Some People Dislike Gays"

5. "The Problem with Don't Ask, Don't Tell"

6. "How Many Homosexuals Are There Really?"

7. "How Would Homosexuals Affect Morale?"

8. "Stories of Real People Hurt by the Ban"

9. "How It Would Work in Our Post Cold War Military"

Shawver states her position in her preface: "I have become increasingly confident that it is time for the United States to drop our military ban against homosexuals." Shawver has clearly been diligent in documenting the facts that support her argument. The main text is followed by extensive endnotes (pages 155-214), many of which incorporate substantial quotes. These endnotes are followed by a lengthy bibliography (pages 215-249). The book also includes separate subject and name indexes.
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Format: Hardcover
Clinical psychologist Shawver has probed the nature of our military policies towards gays and lesbians in the military with uncanny precision<LB> The book appeared at the time President Clinton decided to fink out on the issue, hoping to appease everybody<LB>Issue by issue she explores the myths, her unruffled, calm manner contributing strength to her argument that these military policies are absurd and wrongfully prejudicial<LB>Among these erroneous assumptions are that "false modesty" prevails between straight and gay men as it does between women and men; gays corrupt the "national moral tone" and damage national defense; gays like anonymous sex more than straights do, etc. <LB>Shawver envisions a new military were gays and lesbians are full-fledged members<LB>The policy of pretending there are no homosexuals in the military (the don't ask, don't tell policy) is "a festering wound in our culture...hyprocisy"<LB>

I am moved by Shawver's arguments, and that she is a heterosexual reflects the enlightened attitudes for a non-gay, non-discriminating person to have<LB> All who seek to be informed on this painful issue must read AND THE FLAG WAS STILL THERE<LB>
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