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| Genre | Documentary |
| Format | Closed-captioned, Multiple Formats, Anamorphic, Color, NTSC, Dolby, Widescreen, Subtitled |
| Contributor | Errol Morris, Robert McNamara |
| Language | English |
| Runtime | 1 hour and 47 minutes |
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Academy Award(r)-winner for Best Documentary Feature, THE FOG OF WAR is the story of America as seen through the eyes of the former Secretary of Defense, under President Kennedy and President Johnson, Robert S. McNamara. McNamara was one of the most controversial and influential political figures ofthe 20th century. Now - for the first time ever - he sits down one on one with award-winning director Errol Morris (The Thin Blue Line) to offer a candid and intimate journey through some of the mostseminal events in contemporary American history. As leader of the world's most powerful military force during this nation's most volatile period in recent years, McNamara offers new and often surprising insights into the 1945 bombing of Tokyo, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the effects of the Vietnam War. Featuring newly released Oval Office recorded conversations with Presidents John F. Kennedyand Lyndon B. Johnson, THE FOG OF WAR received critical acclaim for its up-close and personal insider
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The Fog of War, the movie that finally won Errol Morris the best documentary Oscar, is a spellbinder. Morris interviews Robert McNamara, Secretary of Defense in the Kennedy and Johnson administrations, and finds a uniquely unsettling viewpoint on much of 20th-century American history. Employing a ton of archival material, including LBJ's fascinating taped conversations from the Oval Office, Morris probes the reasons behind the U.S. commitment to the Vietnam War--and finds a depressingly inconsistent policy. McNamara himself emerges as--well, not exactly apologetic, but clearly haunted by the what-ifs of Vietnam. He also mulls the bombing of Japan in World War II and the Cuban Missile Crisis, raising more questions than he answers. The Fog of War has the usual inexorable Morris momentum, aided by an uneasy Philip Glass score. This movie provides a glimpse inside government. It also encourages skepticism about same. --Robert Horton
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The Fog of War DVD piles on 24 additional scenes (38 minutes total). They're short and random, but those interested in the film will find it worthwhile to hear McNamara discuss what it was like to work with JFK and who he feels was ultimately responsible for Vietnam. There's also a text-only list entitled "Robert S. McNamara's 10 Lessons," which he introduces by saying that the 11 lessons in the movie were not his own. Some of them, however, are not that different (movie lesson no. 1: "Empathize with your enemy." McNamara lesson no. 9: "If we are to deal effectively with terrorists around the globe, we must develop a sense of empathy--I don't mean 'sympathy,' but rather 'understanding'--to counter their attacks on us and the Western world."). --David Horiuchi
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- Aspect Ratio : 1.78:1
- Is Discontinued By Manufacturer : No
- MPAA rating : PG-13 (Parents Strongly Cautioned)
- Product Dimensions : 7.5 x 5.5 x 0.5 inches; 2.49 ounces
- Director : Errol Morris
- Media Format : Closed-captioned, Multiple Formats, Anamorphic, Color, NTSC, Dolby, Widescreen, Subtitled
- Run time : 1 hour and 47 minutes
- Release date : May 11, 2004
- Actors : Robert McNamara
- Subtitles: : Spanish, French, Portuguese, Japanese
- Language : English (Dolby Digital 5.1), Unqualified
- Studio : Sony Pictures Home Entertainment
- ASIN : B0001L3LUE
- Number of discs : 1
- Best Sellers Rank: #38,983 in Movies & TV (See Top 100 in Movies & TV)
- #522 in Military & War (Movies & TV)
- #692 in Documentary (Movies & TV)
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The eleven lessons acted as an armature that allowed Robert McNamara to cover a broad range of topics including the Cold War, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the fire bombing of Japan, the initiation of the war in Vietnam (which McNamara orchestrated) and the escalation of the war in Vietnam (which McNamara resisted).
Those who would view this film seeking to find a guilty McNamara who confesses to some feelings of guilt should look elsewhere. For as the film explains so well, the vast number of unknown forces and decision makers create an atmosphere which he calls the 'fog of war' where the best possible decisions are made at the time even though intelligence is poor, information and data is lacking, and perspective and reflection is not obtainable. McNamara also reminds us of the Cold War mentality that influenced every piece of information, every diplomatic conversation, and every military consideration. McNamara tells of his growing misgivings as the death tolls reached 25,000 and a clear conceptualization of the war had not yet been formulated outside of Cold War domino theory rhetoric. This theory did not fit the intense purpose of the North Vietnamese or the corrupt military government in South Vietnam. McNamara clearly indicates that Lyndon Johnson's political instincts and unwillingness to become vulnerable resulted in escalation of the war, all of which just made him more politically vulnerable. McNamara tells of his resignation which many felt was actually a forced termination by President Johnson. The war continues to escalate until 58,000 Americans die and President Johnson decides not to run for re-election in the face of a growing national storm against this failed, confused, and unclear mission.
The eleven lessons evoked certain themes which I will explore next:
Empathy and the ability to empathize with the enemy is critical to having a full perspective on the competition or conflict. This means trying to see the nature of the conflict from the perspective of your opponent. McNamara says we never were able to fully comprehend the perspective of the North Vietnamese. We saw the war as a chapter in the larger Cold War, a war with Communism. North Vietnam seemed to be an agent of the Communists. They on the other hand saw the USA as simply an imperial power that had decided to dominate Vietnam in the future as France had dominated Vietnam in the past. Both perspectives were tragically flawed. The Vietnamese saw themselves as engaging in a Civil War for national unification and they saw themselves as highly independent from the Russians and especially the Chinese, with whom they had fought for over 1000 years.
McNamara also points out that rationality will not save you from human error and failure. He illustrates how following a completely rational string of conclusions can be faulty as more and more erroneous information or stereotypical thinking enters the mix. Here he offers an interesting story about the Cuban Missile Crisis. As this crisis quickly escalated, the White House received two messages from the Kremlin. The first was soft and philosophical and appeared to come from Khrushchev. It asks for reflection and consideration before both sides pull the strings so tight that a knot develops that can not be untied. Then soon afterward another message arrives that appears to come from the top hard line military leaders which is hostile and threatening. Many in the White House advised President Kennedy to respond to the second with equal force. However Tommy Thompson, the former US ambassador in Russia, urged Kennedy to find a way for Khrushchev to save face. The way to allow him to save face would be for the Russians to remove their warheads but to be able to say to the world that Russia saved Cuba from destruction by the USA. McNamara also points out that despite rationality, human error in any system may bring about unwanted and terrible results.
McNamara also stresses efficiency as a guiding principle. Of course he was a whiz kid who became the first person other than a Ford family member to be the President of Ford Motors. McNamara links efficiency to the fire bombing of Japan's cities. This was a fascinating and frightening portion of this film. McNamara tells of the highly effective fire bombing of 67 Japanese cities, destroying 50 to 90 percent of these cities. These were major cities the size of Cleveland, Memphis, Nashville, Birmingham, Mobile, Charleston, Miami. The fact that the Japanese government would not surrender in the face of such death and destruction was amazing. McNamara tells of General Curtis LeMay's willingness to inflict great damage on the enemy using the most efficient means at his disposal. It sounds terrible and cruel but in fact may have shortened the war and thus brought an end to all the death. This discussion overlays McNamara's other point that sometimes to do good, one must do evil. He tells of the manner in which Curtis LeMay made decisions and related back to the burning of Atlanta by General Sherman.
McNamara points out that there are really no rules of war and that the losing side is frequently charged with war crimes but not the winning side. He relates that the fire bombing of Japan and the atomic bombs could have been viewed as war crimes if the Japanese had won the war. War crime is highly dependent on whether you are a winner or loser. However McNamara indicates that in conflict there should be some sense of proportionality that helps guide decision making and guide the extent of strike and retaliation.
McNamara points out that data is essential but then gives examples where seeing and believing were both wrong even when leadership thought they had the data they needed for decision making. This leads to a discussion regarding the need for correct information and clear objectives upon entering into warfare. In this regard the film certainly is relevant to the neo-conservatives that lead the US into the current war in Iraq.
McNamara urges flexibility of thought which he expresses as re-examination of your reasoning and a willingness to change course of action rather than stubbornly moving forward despite evidence that things are not working as expected.
Unfortunately wisdom is a result of painful error and is far different from knowledge. It is the nature of the human condition that we are only blessed with a limited number of painful events on which to build wisdom and often we pass away before applying that wisdom in the world. The story of McNamara is larger that the Cold War or the Vietnamese War. It is the story of the limitations of the human condition.
the major architects of the war. McNamara is brilliant and thoughtful and spent
a lifetime thinking about his mistakes in Vietnam. I highly recommend this DVD.
Robert MacNamara comes across as conflicted, bitter and guarded old man late in his life. While admitting numerous mistakes in connection to his damning role in the Vietnam war he at times tries to limit his responsibility, at other times - completely refute it.
It's easy to sympathize with MacNamara after hearing several of his dramatic and candid reflections. The most striking one is that Tokyo fire-bombings in 1945 that burned 100K civilians in one night would have made him and his commander LeMay war criminals, if US were to lose in WW2. The other is how he admitted complete absence of true understanding of motives that fueled Vietnamese resistance during the war (for Vietnamese it was an independence war with what the perceived another colonization attempts by a western power; US Administration apparently had no clue).
The rest however are his poor attempts at minimizing his role in Vietnam war. No doubt he was instrumental in escalating that losing war. But he somehow feels it's acceptable to hide behind the argument that his job was to serve Lyndon Johnson and execute on what the President felt need to be done, as President and not Defense Secretary represents people. He tears up remembering picking a spot for JFK at Arlington cemetery, but doesn't come close to showing a similar emotion when talking about playing a role in burning civilians in Tokyo with firebombs in 1945 or having to do with 3+ million Vietnamese civilian and dozens of thousands US deaths in Vietnam war.
Unfortunately his true character seems to have been misread by JFK and his brother Robert when they offered him the job in 1961. Whereas JFK most respected character trait is known to have been courage, it's a trait that MacNamara clearly lacked. That little courage that he had came through his stronger stance on opposition of the war in 1967, which got him fired. By that time 25K US troops had perished in Vietnam. During the interview he was quick to pick on that emphasizing that that figure represented less than half of the total eventual casualties. That came across as one of many desperate attempts to clear his name.
Throughout the interview he is guarded, cautious, defensive and visibly uncomfortable.
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soweit der beindruckende lebenslauf - alleine diesen zu erzählen verdient aber noch keine fünf sterne und dies wird auch in dieser dokumentation nicht getan. der mann, der mit zweiten vornamen 'strange' heisst (dr. strangelove lässt grüssen!) erlaubt einen langen blick hinter die kulissen der macht und dieser wird in einem wahren bilderrausch und redestakkato dieses rüstigen älteren herrn vorgetragen. die gliederung wurde anhand von elf signifikanten statements vorgenommen. mcnamara erzählte, wie er beim bombardement von tokyo in den tod von hundertausend menschen involviert war, wie er die profitabilität von ford steigerte, wie er auf die blockadelösung und die de-eskalation 1962 eingewirkt hat, wie er das engagement in südvietnam organisierte und vieles mehr.
eines ist klar, es geht in dieser dokumentation um ihn und die geschichte lief nur mit ihm. er erzählt ohne frage viel, sehr viel sogar. er liefert neben der kühlen schilderung der fakten, ebenso weitgehend emotionslos die schlussfolgerungen. er nimmt sich aus der kritik in keiner weise heraus. aber er gibt irgendwann einen wichtigen hinweis ('beantworten sie nie die frage, die ihnen gestellt wird, sondern jene, die sie gerne hören würden'), welchen man sich immer präsent halten sollte. und so drängt sich einem schon der verdacht auf, dass trotz eingeständnissen, trotz teilweiser bekehrtheit, mit uns zuschauern jenes spiel immer noch pflegt, welches er als lenker der weltgeschicke mit leidenschaft spielte. bei mir hat dies für einen zwischen zeitlichen leichten unmut gesorgt, aber es ist schwer, dem charme und der intellektuellen schärfe dieses mannes zu entrinnen. immerhin, er entzieht sich seiner kritik nicht und er gibt nicht zuletzt auch sehr offen zu, dass er weiss, wie eine grosszahl von menschen über ihn denken. wie soll man das ganze werten? zwei vorschlage in anlehnung an die lektionen: macnamara ist wohl bereit sein denken zu überprüfen (lektion acht) - oder: man kann die menschliche natur nicht ändern (lektion elf), also kann sich mcnamara auch heute nicht seinen handlungsmustern entziehen. letztlich ist es jedermanns und jederfraus sache, wie die einsichten von mcnamara gewertet werden.
unbestrittenermassen ist es ein faszinierendes zeugnis, welches hier präsentiert wird - und eine der interessantesten und lehrreichsten geschichtsstunden, welche ich je erlebt habe. und wenn schon so viel darüber gesprochen wird, dass man aus der geschichte lernen soll, so sind diese lektionen ein sehr guter anfang. denn niemand, der diesen film anschaut, kommt darum herum, dies vor dem hintergrund der erreignisse der letzten rund fünf jahre zu sehen - und so kann dann gelegentlich der (paradoxe) wunsch auftreten, dass man sich mcnamara (trotz allem, was unter einer ägide geschehen ist) an stelle vieler massgeblicher personen in der weltpolitik zurückwünscht. nochmals; spannender ist moderne geschichte kaum zu erleben, um nicht zu sagen, zu geniessen.


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