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Recent years have seen a revival of the heated culture wars of the 1990s, but this time its battle ground is the internet. On one side the alt right ranges from the once obscure neo-reactionary and white separatist movements, to geeky subcultures like 4chan, to more mainstream manifestations such as the Trump-supporting gay libertarian Milo Yiannopolous. On the other side, a culture of struggle sessions and virtue signalling lurks behind a therapeutic language of trigger warnings and safe spaces. The feminist side of the online culture wars has its equally geeky subcultures right through to its mainstream expression. Kill All Normies explores some of the cultural genealogies and past parallels of these styles and subcultures, drawing from transgressive styles of 60s libertinism and conservative movements, to make the case for a rejection of the perpetual cultural turn.
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Angela Nagle is one of the few writers anywhere who has consistently refused to hold a double standard for virulent racism and misogyny even when it came in edgy countercultural packaging. Kill All Normies is a brilliant exposé of the new faces of online nihilism and fascism, which can no longer be explained away as doing it “for the lulz”. -- David Golumbia, author of The Politics of Bitcoin: Software as Right-Wing Extremism

Amidst the chaos of our times, it is a relief to have a brilliant and fearless critic like Angela Nagle to turn to. Unwilling to stomach the liberal shibboleths that fail to adequately explain the emergence and significance of right-wing subculture, she's the only one willing to descend into the grimiest of Internet grottos and give us the benefit of her incisive and cool-headed analysis. -- Amber A'Lee Frost ―
Chapo Trap House

This short head-butt of a book taught me more about recent political events in a single rich evening of reading than I've learned in this entire last and very unpleasant year of obsessively monitoring cable TV, and confirmed for me something I've been feeling for a while now, namely that social media is a toxin we are gleefully and cluelessly injecting into ourselves, even as we ask, “Why are we getting so mean and stupid?” -- George Saunders, author, winner of the 2017 Man Booker Prize ―
Guardian Review Books of the Year 2017

With a liberal left dangerously lost in the stormy waters of middle class self-flagellation, Angela Nagle is the lighthouse keeper showing us the way out. Her writing is unsparing in its diagnosis but never cruel. Unlike much of the Left who've grown far too accustomed to marginalization and defeat, Nagle still believes in politics as the only way of changing an increasingly brutal world. She is the writer and social critic I've been waiting for. -- Connor Kilpatrick ―
Jacobin

Kill All Normies is an important book, albeit one whose conclusions are likely to prove unflattering and potentially unpopular. In it, the alt-right emerges as something not quite as alien as many would like to think. Rather, it is a bastardized version of the cultural currents that most of the book's likely readers — myself included — participate in and valorize. And although there may be no easy way out of the mess we have gotten ourselves into — stabbings in Portland, riots in Berkeley, and Trump in the White House — the book's indictment of our elitist culture wars does point toward an inevitable, if slightly horrifying conclusion: Perhaps the normies aren't so bad after all. -- Park McDougald ―
New York Magazine

Nagle approaches the alt-right with understanding and patience. Her political taxonomies are careful, her sociological explanations are persuasive, and her psychological evaluations are considerate. She has a genuine sympathy for her subjects and a genuine solidarity with their victims. Most important, she shows that psychological and economic analysis are complimentary rather than at odds. Read Kill All Normies, then everything else Nagle has written. It'll be time better spent than listening to your favorite podcaster complain about “political correctness” for the nth time. -- Mark Dunbar ―
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Angela Nagle's work has appeared in the Baffler, Jacobin, Current Affairs, the Irish Times and many other journals. She's also the co-editor of Ireland Under Austerity from Manchester University Press.

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  • Publisher ‏ : ‎ Zer0 Books
  • Publication date ‏ : ‎ June 30, 2017
  • Language ‏ : ‎ English
  • Print length ‏ : ‎ 136 pages
  • ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 1785355430
  • ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-1785355431
  • Item Weight ‏ : ‎ 2.31 pounds
  • Dimensions ‏ : ‎ 5.33 x 0.3 x 8.57 inches
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  • Reviewed in the United States on June 25, 2017
    Eye-Opening, Illuminating, Chilling, Disturbing

    This excellent book is written for all those out there who are baffled why or how Donald Trump got elected as President. Specifically, it is written to the Non-Millennials, to the Baby Boomers, and everyone else to whom the internet, internet issues and electronic social media, is anything other than another body appendage. This book provides an answer and shines a light on the dramatic social changes which are currently going on in this country.

    This is a fascinating book containing elements of political theory, social and cultural commentary, and historical analysis. This is a compelling read, but disturbing.

    Most of us dinosaurs are familiar with the normal public discourse of political commentators on television, in the print media. Well, according to this chilling and disturbing — yet excellent — book, the rise of the Alt-Right and the ascendency of Donald Trump owes a great debt to a nebulous online netherworld which can only be described with reference to that well-known introduction to the Tales from the Darkside, a television show, ... Namely, ... “We all live in the sunlit world of what we believe to be reality. But there is, unseen by most, an underworld, a place that is just as real, but not as brightly lit. ... The Darkside.” This “darkside” is the world investigated by Kill All Normies. And, brother, if you thought the Alt-Right (read, Neo-Nazi) was a weird bunch, fasten your seat-belts because the characters and doctrines described in this book is a rocky ride!

    The political base for Trump and the Alt-Right is a nebulous, amorphous bunch of computer Geeks and shameless, opportunistic frauds. According to the author Nagel the Alt-Right had a major boost in Gamergate, an online controversy among gamers which rapidly escalated into a rabid political dialogue, peppered with misogyny, racism, sexism, homophobia, nativism, and a general antagonism to any liberal or progressive causes or personalities. Nagel shares some of that dialogue in her book, and it is some vile, demented, stuff. This political base gained further prominence by co-opting the practices, methods, and attitudes of the political left from the 60s and applying these tactics into their alt-right agendas. It is a wildly successful tactic, but not flawless. A notable example is Milo Yiannopoulos. Adopting an in-your-face, confrontational, what Nagle terms, “transgressive,” attitude, Yiannopoulos once famously advocated that pederasty is a good thing, and presently sits as a well-deserved persona-non-grata.

    The political left also engages in this cyberwar clash of cultures. Nagel describes the online activities of leftist websites like Tumblr and others. While these websites match the passion of alt-right sites, they are fractured, disjointed, disunified, you know, typical lefty stuff, and cannot hold a candle to the primal ferocity of alt-right cybergeeks.

    The only real draw-back of Kill All Normies is that the author assumes the reader is familiar with the names, websites, message boards, and movements tossed about in the book. For example, Gamergate, for a Baby-Boomer like myself, is an event not adequately covered by the print media, but even if it was covered adequately would be like reading about the planet Mars.

    While this is a real drawback, it emphasizes the subtext of Nagle’s book. Much of what is described in this book hovered below the political radar, neither known nor fully appreciated by a majority of the general public. Most of the general electorate are not aimless, layabout gamers with way too much time on their hands, spewing hate speech into their computers. These are precisely the people, however, who allowed Trump to be elected, and provided the raw fuel powering the alt-right movement. Nagle’s book, therefore, gives great pause about the political direction of this country.

    This book is essential reading, should be read and must be read.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on August 8, 2018
    TL;DR worth reading, limited, ignores Jordan Peterson (probably because it was written slightly too soon)

    This is a short book about a topical subject. The author does a decent job of taking one for the team by visiting the more insalubrious, mysogynistic and racist parts of the Internet and describing what she sees. While she mostly concentrates on the male and "right" side of the internet, she also gives a reasonable overview of the unpleasantness of the crab-bucket SJW left and its purity spirals.

    The book also provides a certain amount of context for what we are currently seeing comparing it to past movements and seeing how the balance of power and rebellion has moved over the last couple of decades. I thought there might have been a bit too much Nietsche but in many ways his writings do seem appropriate to the subject.

    All that is good. And it is well worth paying the $7.something for it in kindle format. Unfortunately the subject cries out for more.

    Firstly it seems to me that while everything the author reports is undoubtedly true she is somewhat selective. One thing that jumped out was her failure to mention the anti-zionist left that shades into antisemitism in, IMHO, at least as unpleasant a manner as that on the right. That isn't the only lack but it is symptomatic, she concentrates much more on the "right" than on the "left", which I feel is a lack because when she does focus on it she is acute in her observations and criticism. It would, IMHO, be better if she could have delved further into the intersectionalist "grievance studies" parts of the Internet to provide a counterbalance and an illustration of what the misogynist right is reacting to.

    Secondly it would have been useful if she could have given an estimate of numbers. 10 racist misogynists are annoying, 1000 slightly more worrying, but 1 million is far more concerning and so on. She does make a useful distinction between the "alt-light" and the "alt-right" (disclosure in her terminology I'm probably one of the former) but she doesn't make any attempt to quantify how many alt-lighters there are vs alt-righters and whether there is a significant trend of radicalization. Ditto for the left BTW

    Thirdly I think her background - as far as I can tell she's a moderately traditional feminist liberal - means she misses a few points about the "right". Specifically the "right" has become very good at creating short-term transient alliances between disparate groups of people who may share certain beliefs and desires but not others. Gamergate - a topic she gives a fairly good but abbreviated leftish summary of - is a good example of this. There were lots of gamers with a whole spectrum of political views who felt upset at the behavior of the games journalists and developers who seemed to be pushing one particular sort of game on the world. I think it is fair to say that many disliked the tactics of some of their fellow gamergaters but that didn't stop them from preferring to ally with them to facing a future with SJW only games. Since she misses this she also fails to grok why traditional religious conservatives are willing ally with the transgressive channers - essentially both are threatened by the all powerful "liberal" statism and it's requirement that all conform or else.

    A greater lack is not so much in the coverage as in a general failure to identify of what the root causes are and thus what a potential solution might be. As far as root causes the author seems to dance towards stating what she sees them to be and then skate away. She presents absolutely no suggestion about how to reduce the vileness or hwo to reduce the number of young men (and women, but her focus is more on the men) who find the racist and misogynistic parts of the internet to be attractive.

    It seems to me that her book was possibly slightly too early because she missed the Jordan Peterson phenomenon and how that might answer some of these questions. In particular I think her analysis of his bestseller 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos would be interesting. Perhaps there will be a sequel that talks about him and about how he might manage to provide a less extreme philosophy than either the SJW left or the alt-right

    Anyway, read this book. Then ponder it.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on June 18, 2017
    Honestly a great starting point for trying to really understand the parts of the internet a lot of us have spent the past several years trying to pretend doesn't exist. This book is brief and like several reviews have said, probably could have stood one more editing pass, but I personally didn't mind because I can tell it's going to send me towards more research. It has felt nigh impossible over the past few years to keep up with break neck speed of the internet as it has morphed into more and more of a demon day by day, and Nagle is the first person I've found who really starts to put the whole web together in a coherent way, to demonstrate how seemingly disparate parts of the internet pollinate and overlap. By the end, the book put me in a perplexingly existential place, making me reconsider how I engage with the internet as a whole on a political level but also on a basic moral one. If you ascribe to the Mark Fisher "Vampire's Castle" view of the politics of the internet, you already have the sense that the culture of the web as a whole has become toxic, not just in the chauvinistic, openly sexist corners of the web. I know Nagle herself is pretty disdainful towards South Park but I thought the 20th season was the first work of fiction that truly tried to capture the strangeness of the internet, and the terrible people we can become when we feel properly shrouded in anonymity. This book is the first work of nonfiction that does the same to me, even better than Jon Ronson's "So You've Been Publicly Shamed", which I also enjoyed. A book I'd highly recommend, especially to any Grey Wolves currently reading this.
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  • Candide
    5.0 out of 5 stars A north star by which to navigate the apparent chaos of the contemporary culture war
    Reviewed in Australia on July 8, 2021
    This should be required reading for every teacher in the land. As a high school teacher I have been incredibly dispirited in the last few years by the amount of young (always) boys who bring up Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro and and assorted other Lord Haw Haws of the alt-right as the pinnacle of political and philosophical thought. This is usually accompanied by a breathtakingly callow and clueless disdain for feminism. They don't even know where they're getting this stuff - they believe it's their own 'common sense'. This book clarified a lot of my thinking about this problem.
  • Lisa Stawrogin
    5.0 out of 5 stars Wenn man nur ein Buch über die Online Culture Wars lesen will, dann am besten dieses hier.
    Reviewed in Germany on June 22, 2017
    First off, was die Kritiker auf Amazon.com sagen stimmt. Es sind sehr viele Typos in dem Buch übrig geblieben. Allerdings ist der Inhalt dermassen gut, dass ich trotzdem 5 Sterne vergebe und jedem rate das einfach zu übersehen und das Buch trotzdem zu lesen.

    Nagle liefert hier etwas sehr seltenes, ein ungeschöntes und schonungsloses Buch über die Online culture wars. Hier geht es nicht um russische Hacker, sondern um die Subkulturen des Netzes, die die Trump Wahl ermöglicht haben. Nagle beschreibt, die faschistoiden, frauenhassenden Abgründe, die sich auf der Seite der der Alt-right und auf 4chan auftun. Allerdings macht sie nicht den Fehler, das mit herkömmlichen Konservativismus gleich zu setzen, sondern beschreibt auch den allumfassenden Zynismus und Nihilismus, der dieser Kultur zugrunde liegt.

    Sie lässt auch die Online Spaces der Linken nicht aus und beschreibt wie eine enorm aggressive Identitätspolitik die Linke in den letzen Jahren von innern zersetzt und kampfunfähig gemacht hat.

    Enorm lesenswert.
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  • m
    5.0 out of 5 stars Clear-eyed overview of contemporary culture wars online
    Reviewed in France on August 28, 2017
    Kill All Normies, based on Nagle's thesis, is a lucid read of contemporary culture wars online. She explains the mechanisms by which representatives of the alt-light and alt-right rose to power by appropriating the subversion of 60s counter-culture, and how this process eventually led to a strong enough movement to sweep Trump into power, while the left was torn asunder between Hilary supporters and so-called Bernie Bros. Without denying the importance of identity politics, she is nonetheless unafraid to point out the absurdities of certain aspects of online politicization and the chilling effect that "call-out culture" has had, by polarizing the right ever further while also dividing the left. She traces the development of a “troll ethos” one whose total rejection of social norms and political correctness gave it an edgy counter-cultural feel.

    For this brave act she will surely receive criticism not only from the troll army, which is to be expected, but also from left, and indeed, there are are already a few “kill-pieces” out there. Thankfully, to those who are paying attention and have actually read the book, these pieces quickly fall apart, with the reviewers revealing themselves to be rigid ideologues who misinterpret/ refuse to acknowledge her point about the stength of a "counter-cultural" right and lose themselves in circular logic. One would hope that these reviews do not dissuade curious readers from picking up an excellent piece of cultural history and journalism.
  • Wilhelm Emilsson
    5.0 out of 5 stars Escape from Extremism
    Reviewed in Canada on July 9, 2020
    Angela Nagle’s book is essential reading for those who want to understand and, perhaps, respond to the intolerance, irrationalism, and tribalism of today’s extreme right and extreme left.

    The two factions, with their totalizing and totalitarian habits of thinking and acting, have invited themselves into our lives. How did that happen? Too many people are, understandably, afraid to engage with and stand up to left- and right-wing bullying, doxxing, and punching. But the price of not saying or doing anything can be just as high, and often higher, than “playing it safe.”

    Finally, if you’re alt-right- or SJW-curious, do yourself a favour and read this book. Then think about how much fun you’ll have fighting the Good Fight, until your former comrades/fascist friends come for you. Purges and the punishment of “traitors”—the definition of the word changes from day to day—always comes with the territory.

    Is there an escape from extremism? Only if we take the time to study it and then deal with it. Angela Nagle's book helps us do just that.
  • Normski III
    5.0 out of 5 stars But it's really good precisely because of the books commitment to a larger ...
    Reviewed in the United Kingdom on August 2, 2017
    I initially gave this 1 star to pay homage to the trolls of the book whose dark appeal (for the author - who really went above and beyond when researching them) is shelved in favour of a very sober assessment of their world and its practices. But it's really good precisely because of the books commitment to a larger political project, which Nagle is able to convincingly sustain through her down to earth style (which is almost bullyingly so at times). For such a short book it's a pretty comprehensive and one I got the most of by midway deciding to add a pinch of salt to her rather Calvinistic sensibility. Would love to see a companion piece, 'My secret troll life', ..