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On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society Kindle Edition
Psychologist and US Army Ranger Dave Grossman writes that the vast majority of soldiers are loath to pull the trigger in battle. Unfortunately, modern armies, using Pavlovian and operant conditioning, have developed sophisticated ways of overcoming this instinctive aversion.
The mental cost for members of the military, as witnessed by the increase in post-traumatic stress, is devastating. The sociological cost for the rest of us is even worse: Contemporary civilian society, particularly the media, replicates the army’s conditioning techniques and, Grossman argues, is responsible for the rising rate of murder and violence, especially among the young.
Drawing from interviews, personal accounts, and academic studies, On Killing is an important look at the techniques the military uses to overcome the powerful reluctance to kill, of how killing affects the soldier, and of the societal implications of escalating violence.
- LanguageEnglish
- PublisherOpen Road Media
- Publication dateApril 1, 2014
- File size4337 KB
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- ASIN : B00J90F8W2
- Publisher : Open Road Media; Revised edition (April 1, 2014)
- Publication date : April 1, 2014
- Language : English
- File size : 4337 KB
- Text-to-Speech : Enabled
- Screen Reader : Supported
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- Print length : 416 pages
- Best Sellers Rank: #171,680 in Kindle Store (See Top 100 in Kindle Store)
- #37 in Military Science History
- #71 in Violence in Society (Kindle Store)
- #148 in Social Psychology & Interactions
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LT. COL. DAVE GROSSMAN, U.S. Army (Ret.)
Director, Grossman On Truth
www.GrossmanOnTruth.com
In their description of Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, Slate Magazine said, “Grossman cuts such a heroic, omnicompetent figure, he could have stepped out of a video game.” He has five patents to his name, has published four novels, two children’s books, and six non-fiction books to include “perennial bestsellers” such as:
-ON KILLING (translated into 7 languages, with over half a million copies sold in English, cited in scholarly works over 3,400 times)
-ON COMBAT (US Marine Corps Commandant’s Required Reading list, translated into 5 languages, a quarter-million copies sold in English, cites in scholarly works over 600 times), and
-ON SPIRITUAL COMBAT (a Christian Book Award Finalist).
He is a former buck Sergeant who came up through the ranks from Private to Lt. Colonel. He is a US Army Ranger, a paratrooper, and a former West Point Psychology Professor. He has a Black Belt in Hojutsu, the martial art of the firearm, and has been inducted into the USA Martial Arts Hall of Fame.
Col. Grossman’s research was cited by the President of the United States in a national address, and he has testified before the U.S. Senate, the U.S. Congress, and numerous state legislatures. He has been to the White House on two occasions, to brief the President and the Vice President in his areas of expertise. He has served as an expert witness and consultant in state and Federal courts. And he helped train mental health professionals after the Jonesboro school massacre, and he was also involved in counseling or court cases in the aftermath of the Paducah, Springfield, Littleton and Nickel Mines Amish school massacres.
Col. Grossman has been called upon to write the entry on “Aggression and Violence” in the Oxford Companion to American Military History, three entries in the Academic Press Encyclopedia of Violence, Peace and Conflict and has presented papers before the national conventions of the American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, and the American Academy of Pediatrics.
Since his retirement from the US Army in 1998, he continues to be “on the road” over 200 days a year, spanning across four decades, as one of our nation’s leading trainers for military, law enforcement, mental health providers, and school safety organizations.
Through his “Bulletproof Mind Resiliency” presentations, Col. Grossman has been of service to countless thousands of military personnel, law enforcement officers, and first responders. He likes to tell his audiences that, “The Bible says, ‘Greater love has no one than this, that they give their lives for their friends.’ But there are many ways to ‘give’ your life. Sometimes the greatest love is not to sacrifice your life, but to live a life of sacrifice.”
Today Col. Grossman is the director of the Grossman On Truth (www.GrossmanOnTruth.com). In the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks he is has written and spoken extensively on the terrorist threat, with articles published in the Harvard Journal of Law and Civil Policy and many leading law enforcement journals, and he has been inducted as a "Life Diplomate" by the American Board for Certification in Homeland Security, and a "Life Member" of the American College of Forensic Examiners Institute.
His hobbies are jigsaw puzzles, canoeing, pistol shooting, and asking questions that no one else is asking. Like, “Why will no one talk about how it felt to kill in combat? Why do we wear neckties? And why do we mow our lawns? A hundred years from now they will say, ‘Were they all crazy? Why did they do that?’” He is a fan of the “Meadowing Movement” (something he made up completely). For all his love of poetry, he is not capable of mustering any such himself. His one bit of doggerel is:
I think that I shall never settle,
In a lawn as nice as any meadow.
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"On Killing" describes in visceral detail a mental conditioning phenomenon. My 40-some years of defense R&DTE experience runs directly and indirectly through the subject.
The narrative converges on a seeming constant summed up with the long studies that normative conscript and basically trained citizen soldier translates to ‘80-90% of front line combat shooters don't shoot’. They may in fact be unable to kill another human being. Is there a deep subconscious rejection to killing that cannot be trained out? The phenomenon has been observed for 300 years and well documented between even the most desperate belligerents.
The writers and amenders here compare very long-term rifle range 'marksmanship' scores with long observed battlefield kill statistics ... 80-90 out of 100 shooters, all with 10 for 10 scores on the firing range can be predicted to not shot in combat or intentionally shoot high. Up to 1000 shots per kill from a trained army have been observed on the battlefield even against closely spaced bayonet charging enemies. The civil war should have been predictably many times more lethal if combatants actually shot. WWI should have demonstrated the highest lethality of any war before, but casualties were in fact statistically lower than major medieval battles. WW2 may had the worst shooter marksmanship disparity between range accuracy to 100M vs actual <25m kill rates. How can it be that automatic single serve weapons have not been conclusively demonstrated to be more battlefield lethal than 18th century Prussian single shot muskets? Training evolved accordingly.
Begin with the data ... 10-20% of rifleman will kill. 80-90% won’t. The squadron level soldiers are shown to know the killers from the non-shooters. A squadron battle order is collectively and perhaps without discussion resolved by its members. Members know who a reliable shooter is and who is not. Non-shooters are accepted, not rejected by squad members. There is no apparent squad level dishonor in not shooting in the heat of battle. The non-shooters will earn their keep and lose their own lives more frequently than squad shooters to ensure the killing shooters survival and rate of fire. The squadron shooters will abide by the collective arrangement. An unspoken equilibrium emerges among squad members.
Crew served weapon shooters are savage killers. Collective killing dynamics are far different than the rifleman dynamics.
Grimly, how can it be that a ‘firing squad’ member can exit 5-years of battlefield firing squad duty to describe the experience of never shooting a convict? Why do firing squad records reflect a progressive inaccuracy of shots on target? How could it be that some recorded firing squads required three or more attempts to execute the convicted? Here is a deep, dark human psychology primer. "On Killing" forces unanswerable questions on the reader … is PTSD more prevalent among shooters or non-shooters? Is the high rate of vet suicide a function of killing or a breakdown from not shooting? How much PTSD is the result of self-loathing or deep regret for not shooting when comrades and the battle demanded it? Is special forces training designed so rigorous in an attempt to separate shooters from non-shooters from among the general infantry population? Here the modern training regimen has reversed and changed the shooter from non-shooter.
Tough, intense questions from such a short read. "On Killing" will most assuredly affect your military and history thinking. The authors here focus understanding around the killing dimension.
The book is a thoroughly adult read I think. Young adults headed for the police or military career should read it. Concealed carry citizens should read it. Here be thoughts that might save your own life.
Despite the pretty grim title, the book is really about living. Its subtitle is more apt, though less sexy than its titular superior: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society.
That's why I say that the book is really "on living." Grossman, a former Army Ranger, delivers an incisive and spellbinding history of killing both during wartime and in society. Beyond surveying the incredibly interesting research and findings about this (only 15-20% of combat infantry were willing to fire their rifles in World War II), Grossman analyzes WHY it's proven so difficult over the centuries for warriors to take the life of another human being.
Grossman's analysis, and he's well supported here, runs quite counter to the imagery of soldiers and masculinity we've come to expect (and perhaps crave?) from our popular media.
Indeed, one of Grossman's most compelling arguments is that Hollywood participates in a vigorous process of social propaganda first, by inuring us to violence far more grotesque than what an average soldier sees, and second and perhaps more damaging, by perpetuating the stereotype of the Rambo, Jason Bourne, Natural Born Killer who finds it easy to take a life during wartime and feels not guilt or compunction about doing so. The former is dangerous because it's one of the first steps the military must take when retraining a civilian to be willing to kill another human being; the latter, however, is insidious because it continues to make it difficult for veterans to talk about their feelings, their fears, their guilt, their shame for fear of being seen as dishonorable and cowardly. Grossman spends MUCH of the book explaining why it's so incredibly difficult for a soldier to kill; he spends the other "much" exploring the necessary processes society and the military must provide for veterans who HAVE had to kill while in service. Pop culture's ubiquitous depiction of soldiers and super heroes who demonstrate their courage and manliness by killing their enemies without hesitation only serves to make real soldiers and heroes less able to heal upon return to society.
Two last things.
First, Grossman says, at one point, that the historic record of man's deep sense of dread and hesitation in killing his fellow man makes him proud to be human and gives him hope. I had a similar reaction. While I DID know that the military started making its targets more realistic during shooting practice in order to ease a soldier's finger onto the trigger in wartime, I was totally unaware of the statistics regarding how many troops, in wars throughout history, either refuse to kill or intentionally miss their targets.
Second, apparently, this book has become required reading at military and police academies. That makes me very happy. It also confuses me. On the one hand, it's incredibly courageous of military leaders to arm their soldiers with information that undermines the goal they're trying to achieve! It's also psychologically ethical for these same leaders to show their young students what it is they're getting into. On the other hand, I fear that the REASON they have them read Grossman's book is because he also explains the processes necessary to overcome the hesitation to kill.
That ambivalence, on my part, is both empathetic and naive. It's nice that I care for the soldiers' psychological health; but if I accept having a military as a necessary fact, I should want them to be as effective at their jobs as possible. And the first job of a military is to protect themselves and their country by overcoming the hesitation to kill an enemy.
And that's where Grossman takes us. Into complexity. Into a world with no black and white morality. And I was transfixed.
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Grossman consegue trazer várias fontes que mostram como o treinamento realizados nestas áreas e dos custos, tanto pessoais quanto sociais, advindos do ato de tirar a vida de outra pessoa, são grandes e complexos demais para serem analisados de forma rasa e superficial, inclusive com pré-julgamentos que normalmente são feitos sobre os agentes que dedicam suas vidas a proteger a sociedade.





