In 1969 I enlisted to do my Patriotic Duty, and chose to be an MP while performing that duty. I was in Vietnam (25th Inf Div for the first 14 months) from January 1970 to March 1972. After the first few months I surely had a monster case of PTSD because that was about when everything began to seem “normal”, but there wasn’t a term for it back then. When I came back from Vietnam my enlistment was up. I got off the plane (Flying Tiger airline), received a meal involving a very tough steak, and was essentially told to “go home and be normal”. My brother, now a retired Marine, had done his tour in Vietnam. I got a job where he worked (he later re-enlisted and completed his 20 for retirement). Several other employees were also Vietnam vets but we never talked about it.
My job involved hard labor and was just what I needed because I really wasn’t fit for polite society for the first year. After a year and a half I applied at several local law enforcement agencies and was hired by one with Civil Service. While working full time I also went back to college and got my degree in Criminal Justice. The image of the Vietnam Vet back then was of a deranged person who climbed onto a rooftop and started shooting people. I didn’t discuss Vietnam, or my recurring “Vietnam Dream”, with anybody. I needed the job, I liked the job, and I didn’t want people to think that I was crazy. Frankly, I wasn’t totally sure that I wasn’t, at least to some degree.
After about twenty years on the dept, and I was a Lt. by then, I was assigned to attend a seminar on Deadly Force and Pursuit Policies. One of the instructors was a Psychologist who covered the symptoms of PTSD. I suddenly realized that after my return from Vietnam I had fit the profile perfectly.
After retirement I was a Federal Courthouse Security Officer for eleven years. Another CSO had a copy of “On Killing” by Lt. Col. David Grossman and I read it, several times. Since then I have purchased my own copy, twice. I think that Grossman got it about 90+% right. I am not going to pick the book apart because, as Jesus warned, “while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them”. Also, I could be in error about that other 10%. Every time I read the book I learn something new, or relearn something I had forgotten. I recommend this book most highly to every combat veteran and law enforcement officer!
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On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society Paperback – November 1, 1996
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- Publisher : Back Bay Books; 1st edition (November 1, 1996)
- Language : English
- Paperback : 366 pages
- ISBN-10 : 0316330116
- ISBN-13 : 978-0316330114
- Item Weight : 11.2 ounces
- Dimensions : 5.38 x 1.13 x 8.26 inches
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Reviewed in the United States on September 12, 2017
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Reviewed in the United States on September 30, 2019
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This book’s foundation is SLA Marshall’s fabricated statistics from “Men Against Fire.” From this foundation of garbage, the author erects walls of paper. Drawing a correlation between the training methods employed by the US Army and the increase in solider aggression (an illusion based on the previous Marshal data), the author manages to both condemn and praise the increased lethality of the US military.
The book slaps a hideous roof on this monument to bad science by hiding behind the authority of Jack Thompson. This book was written in 1996, and with the benefit of hindsight (it’s now 2019) we can easily see the cracks in the facade. If the name Jack Thompson sounds familiar, it’s because he was a Florida lawyer who made national headlines in the mid-2000s with his crusade against violent video games. A crusade which ended with Thompson’s disbarment and disgrace.
The truth is, violence can be perpetrated by anyone under the right circumstances. The factors are complicated, as are the solutions. There’s no silver bullet (pun intended). Outlawing violent video games/entertainment will do nothing but make us feel better, at least until the next mass school shooting. Violent crime has already fallen in the US. If we want to continue this trend, we must do the serious, delicate, difficult work of grappling with the real reasons behind violence. That means funding mental health services and getting real data behind the factors that lead to violence and solving those as well.
In short: if you came looking for answers to the “epidemic” of violence in the US today, keep looking. You’ll find no science of value in this book.
The book slaps a hideous roof on this monument to bad science by hiding behind the authority of Jack Thompson. This book was written in 1996, and with the benefit of hindsight (it’s now 2019) we can easily see the cracks in the facade. If the name Jack Thompson sounds familiar, it’s because he was a Florida lawyer who made national headlines in the mid-2000s with his crusade against violent video games. A crusade which ended with Thompson’s disbarment and disgrace.
The truth is, violence can be perpetrated by anyone under the right circumstances. The factors are complicated, as are the solutions. There’s no silver bullet (pun intended). Outlawing violent video games/entertainment will do nothing but make us feel better, at least until the next mass school shooting. Violent crime has already fallen in the US. If we want to continue this trend, we must do the serious, delicate, difficult work of grappling with the real reasons behind violence. That means funding mental health services and getting real data behind the factors that lead to violence and solving those as well.
In short: if you came looking for answers to the “epidemic” of violence in the US today, keep looking. You’ll find no science of value in this book.
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Reviewed in the United States on March 30, 2016
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As a police officer I just went through a major shooting incident. As I read this book, Col. Grossman went through it with me. He described to a tee every emotion I experienced. Reading this book was extremely helpful.
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Reviewed in the United States on June 28, 2016
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Lt. Col. Grossman's systematic and thoughtful study of why people kill -- and why they do not -- is important. His analysis on the role of conditioning on overcoming the natural resistance to killing another person provides helpful insight into how and why American society has become increasingly violent in recent decades. The last few chapters, which takes the lessons learned in the rest of the book and applies them to American society, ought to be required reading for those who insist on blaming the tools of violence for the existence of violence.
Thanks, Lt. Col. Grossman, for studying this topic with such rigor and for explaining your work so cogently.
Thanks, Lt. Col. Grossman, for studying this topic with such rigor and for explaining your work so cogently.
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Reviewed in the United States on November 27, 2019
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The book is less about "The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society" and more about the twisted and perverse views of Freudian sexuality and its link to killing. The author asks a lot of questions regarding violence that takes place in war, but fails to ask one of the most pertinent and obvious questions. Is the warfare just or unjust? And how does unjust warfare/killing affect the soul and mind of those doing the killing?
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Great topic. Not a masterpiece
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on June 5, 2021Verified Purchase
This book is worth time and effort for its topic and focus, which remain fascinating, relevant and under-researched. The anecdotal material is fascinating, and some of the history engaging. However, the author is neither a bad writer nor a great writer. Lots of his arguments are muddled, and conceptual clarity is lacking when he compares his ideas with previous authors. The book is under-referenced, and the author's Psychology knowledge stops in about 1975 (i.e. Freud, Skinner, Milgram, stop). The desecriptions by combatants are fascinating but he returns to the same relatively small number of accounts repeatedly. Research, this ain't.
So I appreciated reading on this topic and learned things. However, I think that this huge and critical topic also deserves a review with higher conceptual and evidence standards. I think that there are other good books out there - don't feel obliged to start here.
So I appreciated reading on this topic and learned things. However, I think that this huge and critical topic also deserves a review with higher conceptual and evidence standards. I think that there are other good books out there - don't feel obliged to start here.
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Within a few dozen pages I found myself frustrated by the content and style
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on February 27, 2020Verified Purchase
The jacket summary makes this book sound brilliant, however, within a few dozen pages I found myself frustrated by the content and style, which is littered with assumptions and received wisdom, and a lack of references.
As a contrast, the book "War Games: The Psychology of Combat" covers much of the same material in a much more accessible style.
As a contrast, the book "War Games: The Psychology of Combat" covers much of the same material in a much more accessible style.
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A real eye opener of war and its trauma
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on April 19, 2020Verified Purchase
An excellent ground breaking and extremely informative book on what war combatants go through. I thoroughly recommend it to anyone interested in the psychology of what it would take to kill a fellow human being. It scares me and I’m so grateful I didn’t have to personally face it.
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Fascinating
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on April 8, 2021Verified Purchase
Not an easy read...given the title and subject matter perhaps that's to be expected...but fascinating and thought provoking. Well written. His other book, Stop teaching our kids to kill, is superb too.
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3.0 out of 5 stars
Useful source for the study of close quarter battle
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on March 9, 2018Verified Purchase
This book would have been better if the author had not kept reminding us of how well trained, well travelled, well educated he is. I found his arguments interesting ands
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