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Liber Null & Psychonaut: An Introduction to Chaos Magic Paperback – April 1, 1987
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To preface, let me begin by saying that I am not a "wizard", occultist, or magician of any nature, but I am sufficiently familiar with literature on spirituality/theology/magic(k)/etc to form a valid opinion on the matter.
This compilation is ostensibly a series of 2 books packed together as one. Upon closer analysis, one realizes that in actuality, it's a collection of essays tenously linked to each otherin questionable order. The author passes off several opinions as universal truth in Liber Null, only to admit that this is just one possibility of many in Psychonaut. His view of "the universe"being either Chaos or a Spiritual Conciousness being one example. He readily admits that he chooses to believe in the "meanigless chaotic"view because it appeals to his spiritual proclivities.
Moreover, the author never provides a single reference or backs up anything of what he says. He simply shoots off fantastic claims, such as, succubus''s are all male, X Belief System is stupid, X Doctrine is True/False, etc, without ever once logically breaking down his reasoning or explaining how they are flawed and/or correct. The man is guilty of the same crimes he blames monotheistic religion of i.e., making shit up with little proof.
Finally, he keeps spouting the same nonsense lines that other "pseudo-enlightened" types love to profess - that being that there is no "good or evil" and "truth or lies", simply limited, relativistic human perspective. In the literal next chapter, he contradicts himself by then proclaiming what is true and what is false as if he never said this. A lot of so-called Taoists these days do the same thing. A brilliant refuation of this illogical position is allegedly credited to Socrates - If nothing is true, then how do you know that to be true?
Overall, I got little value in this book outside of getting a glimpse of the beliefs/doctrines of black magic practitioners. The rituals he advises in this book are extreme, and he readily warns that they may do more harm than good. Furthermore, they require all manner of elaborate ceremony - so I hope you have a spare art department in your home. He readily admits that one has to do several exorcisms and banishment rituals before and after so your life and soul don't get destroyed by demons. He explains that a seeker must basically dedicate their entire lives to this and discard all desire or a normal life for the nebolous "benefits" that are not adequately described. In business terms, this is what we call a bad ROI.
Overall, I cannot reccomend this book. If you're interested in taking a peek at what some occultists interpret as truth, go ahead. Carrol's views might have been interesting/radical in the pre-wide-spread internet days of the 80s, but today his views are ubiquitous and found among any anti-religion "warlock" on any occult message board,.
Liber MMM is a presentation of mindbody manipulation techniques which forms the basis of practice for the rest of Liber Null. The rest of Liber Null presents intriguing ideas but seems to not thread all of the ideas together. It's as if Peter had a basic outline and and improvised most of the material as he went from section to section (which isn't a bad exercise come to think of it).
Also would like to say that the dogmatic tone is unnecessary. I personally am going to go over the book once more, take the ideas and theories presented, and reorganize them, strip the dogmatic tone, and get just the gist of what is being stated; this is mainly for my benefit and probably useless for it mostly appears that Phil Hine did just that in his books. But I want to take Carroll's ideas and see what I can do with them.
I have yet to read Psychonaut, I also ordered Liber Kaos, I too am going to order Pybermagick and The Apophenion at some point. Overall I would say that Peter J. Carroll as an author on the occult is dogmatic, but informative, and probably should only be taken as serious as you Will. Take what's useful and leave the rest, for me it's more of the latter.
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After reading this, I read Baruss' 'Alterations of Consciousness', which as a psychology student, I found much more accessible, because all claims were backed up with research. It also added a dimension to my appreciation of this book, once I understood that some of the claims being made could be supported to an extent by cutting edge research into consciousness and quantum theory. This book rather expects you to take a lot more on faith, but at the same time, has a pleasantly down-to-earth tone in places :)
Recommended reading especially for anyone who actually believes in magic but finds some of the other neo-Pagan religions like Wicca a little too sweet, fluffy and group-orientated.
Great place to star, very informative!