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Mixed-Up Love: Relationships, Family, and Religious Identity in the 21st Century Paperback – October 15, 2013
Jon, a Catholic writer, and Michal, a Reconstructionist rabbi, live out the challenges of an interfaith relationship everyday as husband and wife, and as parents to their daughter Sima, who is being raised Jewish. In MIXED-UP LOVE, the couple explores how interfaith relationships impact dating, weddings, holidays, raising children, and family functions--and how to not just cope, but thrive.
This is an engaging and practical resource for singles who are considering dating outside their own faith, couples in interfaith relationships, relatives and friends of "mixed" couples who seek information and understanding, and parents desiring a fresh perspective. With clarity, insight, and humor, Sweeney and Woll demonstrate how to engage with your partner, family, and faith like never before.
- Print length224 pages
- LanguageEnglish
- PublisherJericho Books
- Publication dateOctober 15, 2013
- Dimensions5.25 x 0.75 x 8.25 inches
- ISBN-101455545899
- ISBN-13978-1455545896
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"Reflects on the new frontiers of interfaith marriage, and publishing veteran Sweeney can be depended on to know what makes a good book."―Publishers Weekly
"We're way beyond Christmas and Hanukkah here. Sweeney and Woll offer a moving, personal reflection on their search for the divine in everyday life. Mixed-Up Love is an instructive, refreshing, and spiritually sophisticated guide for any couple seeking to navigate a complex religious path."―Rabbi Lawrence Kushner, Emanu-El Scholar at Congregation Emanu-El of San Francisco and the author of Kabbalah: A Love Story
"What unites us is so much greater than what separates us. If we're sometimes mixed-up, this book can help sort it out."―Lama Surya Das, author of Awakening the Buddha Within: Tibetan Wisdom for the Western World, and founder of the Dzogchen Center in America
"One of the most moving and candid love stories I have ever read...mature, sure of itself, deft in its telling, rich in its sharing. Whether you are interested in the possibilities and intricacies of interfaith marriage or not, you are going to be grateful that Sweeney and Woll are and that they have been willing to tell the rest of us why."―Phyllis Tickle, compiler, The Divine Hours
"Jon and Michal take us into the most intimate space of all, an interfaith marriage, and provide millions of similar couples with light and warmth on the complicated path of committing to faith and one another when the faiths are different. This is a generous and important book."―Eboo Patel, author of Acts of Faith and Sacred Ground
"Jon Sweeney and Michal Woll have written an extremely important book for our era, and they have done so with depth, integrity, and humor. The book is beautifully written, and the back and forth dialogue between this husband and wife makes for exciting reading. Maybe their love is not so 'mixed-up' after all."―Rabbi David Zaslow, author of Jesus: First Century Rabbi
"All of us are figuring out how to be one big human family on one small planet-when members of our family follow many different religions. Jon and Michal are figuring out how that works in one household, and they share both their experience and the wisdom they've gained through it in this charming, enjoyable, and insightful book."―Brian D. McLaren, author/speaker/activist (brianmclaren.net)
"Jon Sweeney and Michal Woll represent a new kind of American family, one that celebrates and learns from difference. Readers, in turn, will celebrate and learn from this book about their experiences together, whether it's planning a wedding or dealing with 'the December dilemma.'"―Jana Riess, author of Flunking Sainthood and The Twible
"Woll and Sweeney raise important questions in an engagingly frank way for all interfaith couples...They also add to the growing and multi-faceted conversation about rabbis with non-Jewish partners. "―Rabbi Ellen Lippmann
About the Author
Michal Woll is rabbi of the Ann Arbor Reconstructionist Congregation. She is a gifted liturgist, pastoral counselor, physical therapist, and yogi. She has passion for teaching and creating ritual, and deep appreciation of Judaism as both a communal identity and transformative, spiritual path.
Jon and Michal live in Ann Arbor, Michigan with their daughter Sima.
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Mixed-Up Love
By Jon M. Sweeney, Michal WollFaithWords
Copyright © 2013 Jon M. Sweeney Michal WollAll rights reserved.
ISBN: 978-1-4555-4589-6
CHAPTER 1
Leaving Home
We love to go hiking in state parks. Along mountain paths there are signs,similar to most roadways, telling you what to expect and how to stay on thepath. Someone has usually hashed marks of paint on trees, a small swath of whiteor yellow on the bark, showing the best way to progress upward. There can be somany hashes and signs by journey's end, it feels like cheating to say youactually hiked a mountain. Such a hike can seem less like an adventurous journeythan like falling forward in the way you're pointed. This is not what explorerswere doing when they sought the source of the Nile.
Such clear signage isn't usually available in life, personal, professional, orreligious. But it sounds a bit like how Jon's Sunday school teachers who used tospeak of "following God's will," which was supposed to be easily discerniblefrom reading the Bible. Surely, it's never that simple. Or at least it wasn'tfor us. In this realm we feel more like Speke and Burton asking the nativeswhich way to turn.
Granted, by the time we met, we had both traveled rather complex paths in ourreligious lives. While your own journeys may have fewer twists and turns,exploring your own path—how you were raised, the choices your family madefor you and those that you made for yourself, the examples that were presentedto you about religion and relationships—will help you understand who youare now as a person exploring an interfaith relationship. You may be surprisedby what you discover.
JON Not only have I somehow missed the clearly marked path, or done a lousyjob of following the obvious signs, but my religious life hasn't necessarilybeen a process of going forward. Nor do I claim to be climbing upward, as if Ican tell that I'm getting progressively closer to God. In some ways I'm actuallygoing backward.
I was born into a non-denominational evangelical church, moved toEpiscopalianism before I was twenty, and eventually became a Roman Catholic.Today, even though I'm still a Catholic and go to mass, I pray and practicemostly with Jews, and Michal likes to repeat a remark made by a friend overdinner years ago that perhaps I'm eternally regressing, and Zoroastrianism mustbe next in line for me. This is really just a joke, but sometimes I wonder.
Baptist -> Episcopalian -> Catholic -> Jewish -> Zoroastrian? -> Did cavemenhave a religion??
I was born with an evangelical Protestant imagination and have been trying toexpand it ever since. "Just as I am, without one plea, but that thy blood wasshed for me"—I sang that hymn over and over as a child in church inWheaton, Illinois, leaving my pew for the center aisle, walking forward tocommit and recommit my life to Jesus Christ. If you share a background likemine, you know what I mean. Wheaton was the macrocosmic mecca of evangelicalismand a microcosmic world that included Vacation Bible School, "sword drills"(games training kids to quickly find Bible references), worship servicesdominated by sermonizing, mission trips from the suburbs to Central America, andone-on-one evangelizing, even revival tent meetings—I helped organize oneonce.
Earnest belief came early. When I was five, I kneeled with my father in theliving room to ask Jesus into my heart. That's of course what we calledit—what millions of people still call it. Phrase by phrase, I repeatedafter my dad: "Heavenly Father ... I realize that I am a sinner ... I ask foryour forgiveness.... I want to change and become a new person.... I ask you tocome into my heart." This may sound ludicrous to many of you, but believe me, Imeant every word of it. Or at least I knew how to demonstrate that my meaningwas sincere. With a perspective that has changed much over the last forty-oddyears, I now realize that meaning is more complex, and best practiced ratherthan stated. But back then it was simply spoken words that were heartfelt.
I was fascinated with the crucifixion. We learned about it often in Sundayschool, and I had it described to me in vivid detail from the pulpit. Thepassion of Christ—the stages from his arrest to his humiliation to histrial and then death—enthralled my imagination. Jesus knew every kid'snightmare: to be taken away, stripped naked, beaten up, pointed at, and laughedat. And, as I was taught, I had done these very things to him—made itnecessary for Jesus to undergo such awfulness. So I experimented. I would closemy bedroom door and strip my action figures naked, leaving Batman and G.I. Joeto hang on crosses of my own design, easy to link together with Lincoln Logs.Then, I would sit quietly gazing at them, praying with as deep of a sorrow as Icould muster. By the time I was in Christian high school, I gave a chapel talkin which I presumed to describe, Mel Gibson–style, what it was like to becrucified.
My father worked in the world of evangelical book publishing and so I wasexposed at an early age to some of the pillars of our faith. I sat at dinnerwith Charles Ryrie, the seminary professor and famous Bible translator, and wentto lunch with what was then a young, heavyset magazine editor named JerryJenkins, later to become famous as the author of the Left Behind series ofapocalyptic novels.
It was strange being a certified Christian in a public school full of kids who Iknew were going to hell. I was supposed to witness to my playmates, to save themfrom the eternal torment that they were headed for, but I never did. When I wasbaptized in church in the fourth grade, such a momentous event was unknown toanyone at school.
After nine years of public school, I attended a religious high school. WheatonChristian High School (now called Wheaton Academy) was a sort of prep school fornearby Wheaton College. My family would have struggled to afford the tuition hadmy mother not been the school principal's executive secretary, making it free.It was a rigorous education, with lots of one-on-one attention from teachers.One teacher, Mr. Masquelier, made a sizable impact on my life, feeding mycuriosity to learn, and insisting more than any teacher had ever done that Iwork harder. I was able to take classes that included Modern European Literatureand a Shakespeare seminar. The reader in me was born. I pored over a lot ofbooks that were outside the curriculum as well, including the complete poems ofWordsworth (as a freshman, while moodily strolling among elm trees), WendellBerry essays (introduced to me by a local bookseller), and the dialogues ofPlato. My mind was expanding just as my spirit was at its most sensitive.
Attempting to atone for the sin of failing to convert my playmates in gradeschool was one reason why I chose a college that surprised even my conservativeparents: Moody Bible Institute. My parents had met and married at Moody, indowntown Chicago, but they never imagined that their son would choose to gothere. Moody was primarily a place for training missionaries or evangelists, notlovers of the liberal arts.
Since childhood, I'd been to "Founder's Week" at Moody every February andwatched with admiration great evangelical preachers from around the world. Irecall being enthralled once as a famous British minister preached for an hour.Each sermon was broadcast live around the world on radio, and a series of smalllights lit up on the pulpit to signal when stations would be breaking forcommercials at the top of the hour. I watched as a tiny yellow light quietlylit, signaling two minutes remaining. "Let me conclude by simply saying this..." the minister began. A minute later, the orange light came on. Sixtyseconds. "Let us pray ..." he said. Finishing praying, all eyes reopened (butmine), and the small red light gently shone. I was impressed beyond words. Moodywould school me further in the ways of God-talk, and give me an opportunity toput them into practice. Surely that, I believed at eighteen, was more importantthan all the books in the world.
My only year in Bible college proved to be a shocking adjustment, however. I wasat heart a student full of questions and curiosity, and Moody was geared towardyoung people who already felt that they knew the answers to life's questions andonly needed to deepen their commitments. So instead of discussing new ideas,there I was in classes such as Evangelism 101, learning how to witness on thestreets of Chicago.
The summer before college, I had applied to become a missionary, and at the endof my year at Moody I was sent by the Conservative Baptist Foreign MissionSociety as an assistant church planter to Batangas City, the Philippines. I wasinstructed to convert the native Catholics, to show them the importance ofpraying to ask Jesus into their hearts. We taught that the sacraments of theCatholic Church, such as taking communion, going to confession, and doingpenance, would not bring either happiness or security, on earth or in heaven. Weclaimed that the Church made these things up, and they'd become like idols topeople, something to completely eschew. We preached that each person mustprofess born-again faith in Jesus Christ, and be re-baptized, or baptizedcorrectly. Catholics are usually "sprinkled" with water as infants, as we likedto differentiate, rather than "immersed" in it, as we believed the scripturesshowed it should be done.
That summer was a turning point. Faced with devout Catholics living engagedCatholic lives, I simply couldn't disrupt them. The pain of some of the people,as they struggled—weighing the relative merits of eternal salvation (as wewere presenting it) versus everything that they knew and loved (their families,their communities, their Church)—struck me deeply. The experiencehighlighted what I had begun to realize before I left: asking people about theirreligious beliefs can almost feel indecent. Most people find it inappropriate,if not wrong, to challenge such things. I also began to realize that what theysaid they believed was not that important. Most people don't have a ready answerto questions of belief. I'd been taught how that was a serious problem. But myCatholic friends in the Philippines were the first to show me that a creeddoesn't make Christians. A life does.
Sitting in Filipino living rooms, I watched as Catholics prayed, and I wanted topray as they did. In church I witnessed their liturgical celebrations and wantedthe joy and mystery they seemed to experience. I began to study the lives offamous Catholics like Francis of Assisi and Teresa of Avila and saw how theyseemed to be seized by a love for God and a desire to be a channel for that lovein the world in practical ways, ways that had little to do with my faith.
The souls of the people I met no longer looked desperate, as I once believed ofall souls that hadn't prayed the prayer of salvation. This, I now realize, was asort of Catholic stirring inside of me, as Christian life before the 16thcentury was infused by the idea that there is a small piece of divinity residentinside of us. Meister Eckhart called it a spark. Julian of Norwich called it apart of our will that never really wanted to sin. It was the first Protestantswho made popular the notion that there is not a shard of goodness in humankind.
I was a miserable failure as a missionary. In fact, by the time my summer wasover I was convinced what I was doing was wrong—that there was somethingwrong with my childhood faith. I began to fall in love with Catholicism. I wassent to show them how they'd gotten it all wrong, and instead, they showed me.
Having transferred out of Bible college, my evangelical vision was beinggradually replaced by something much broader. I wandered from church to churchlooking for others like me. Mennonites counseled me on how to register as aConscientious Objector with Selective Service. Swedish pietists at theEvangelical Covenant Church showed me that it was possible to have differingpoints of view on religious matters and still gather together and worship. Andthe monasticism of Thomas Merton's writings drew me more than once to visit hisold monastery in Kentucky.
Becoming a Catholic would have absolutely killed my parents, not to mention mygrandparents, so it never seemed an option. Then, while waiting tables at aMexican restaurant at night, and working part-time at a campus bookstore, Ibegan attending North Park Theological Seminary in Chicago. I thought for awhile that I might become an Episcopal priest. I remember fondly Don Dayton'sKarl Barth seminar, and David Scholer's introduction to the Gospels; I tookevery January term class offered by Paul Holmer, who'd recently retired fromYale and come to North Park to teach Wittgenstein, Kierkegaard, and Lewis. Butafter two and a half years I left, realizing that I was in no shape to pastoranyone. This was just at the time when the market for religious and spiritualbooks was burgeoning and my love for books and ideas sent me in that direction.That was 1991, and for more than two decades now, I've worked with books in oneway or another.
Most of that time I was a good Episcopalian, for almost twenty years, preachingin church on occasion, and serving on diocesan discernment committees. But I'vehad the opportunity to keep my fingers and toes in many spiritual pots. I'venever been a one-church person, and I've never really been a one-traditionperson, either.
It was for that reason that when I was curious to find a new and morechallenging job in 1997, I replied to the founder of a Jewish spiritualitypublisher in Vermont, curious to see what he sought in a head of marketing. Itturned out that he wanted someone who understood the Christian market, yet alsohad a broader perspective. Friends told me that taking the job was nuts; whatdid I really know about Judaism? My parents told me that taking it would appearto compromise my Christian belief; can you be a Christian and market booksreflecting another religious tradition? But I accepted the position and becamethe vice president of marketing for Jewish Lights Publishing.
Two years later I cofounded a new publishing imprint dedicated to multi-faithexplorations of spiritual and religious topics. We named it SkyLight PathsPublishing and it became rapidly successful. I acquired, created, edited, andmarketed books by people of faith and spiritual practice talking with each otheracross the traditions. We created new editions of classic spiritual texts, mostof which have names that sound forbidding, such as Zohar, Philokalia,Ramakrishna, Ecclesiastes, and Gita, but we tried to make them more accessible.Then we did the same for spiritual practices, showing how the same practicetends to pop up in different forms in many different religious traditions. Therewere reasons why people began calling our small company in Vermont "the Ben &Jerry's of religious publishing."
Along the way I began writing myself. Praying with Our Hands introducedtwenty-one ways that people across religious traditions use their hands, notjust their thoughts or spoken words, to pray. Working on that project rekindledmy interest in Catholicism, making me want to explore and write about Catholicsubjects, and as I did, I was drawn to live a more Catholic life. I begancarrying a rosary in my pocket, praying it only when I was alone. At work Iwould sometimes pause at midday to pray the noontime liturgical hour—inthe men's room. I even went to confession for the first time while on a businesstrip in London where no one would know me. For a decade I was a Protestantwriter who appreciated Catholic tradition. I would give talks at conferences andin parishes and say, "I like how you think, how you look at the world, and Iwant more of that in my own life." And I meant it.
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Michal Woll is a gifted rabbi, liturgist, pastoral counselor, physical therapist, and yogi with 25 years of experience and three advanced degrees. After graduating from Northwestern University and M.I.T. in bioengineering she worked in the medical device industry developing dialysis and burn care products. There she discovered a passion for medical ethics and quality of life issues, eventually turning to clinical medicine and chaplaincy. After years of lay leadership in her communities she entered seminary.
Michal is a graduate of the Reconstructionist Rabbinical College in Philadelphia and has served as rabbi for numerous congregations. To all of them, she brought her passion for music, teaching, and creating ritual, and deep appreciation of Judaism as both a communal identity and transformative spiritual path. She is currently rabbi of the Ann Arbor Reconstructionist Congregation.
Contact Michal by email at: mixeduplove.thebook@gmail.com

Jon M. Sweeney is an independent scholar and award-winning author. His books have been translated into many languages.
He's a popular interpreter of the life and work of Francis of Assisi, and author of more than 40 books including "St. Francis of Assisi" with a foreword by Richard Rohr, and "The Complete Francis of Assisi" used by Third Order Franciscans. HBO optioned the film rights to Sweeney's book on the medieval Pope Celestine V, "The Pope Who Quit."
In 2023, Jon published "Sit in the Sun: And Other Lessons in the Spiritual Wisdom of Cats," and "Meister Eckhart's Book of Darkness and Light," coauthored with Mark S. Burrows.
Jon's been interviewed on CBS News, WGN-TV, Fox News, and CBS Saturday Morning, and by publications online from CNN to Romper. He's a practicing Catholic who also prays regularly with his wife, a congregational rabbi. He loves the church, the synagogue, and other aspects of organized religion. He would never say he's "spiritual but not religious." He is the father of four and lives in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Sweeney is codirector of The Lux Center for Catholic-Jewish Studies at Sacred Heart Seminary; religion editor at Monkfish Book Publishing; editor of Living City magazine; and contributing editor for books at SpiritualityandPractice.com.
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The importance of reaching across cultures to achieve not just understanding but also empathy plays out on all levels, from neighborhoods to economies to warfare. Those who stay isolated falter in times of trouble for their lack of robustness. Those who let people from other groups influence them are more nimble when they encounter Change.
It is a virtuous cycle: as cross-cultural or interfaith relationships become more acceptable, more folks who would have backed away from the strength a particular partner offered from a different set of experiences now embrace the challenges of figuring out life outside of old models. This, in turn, creates new roles for the next couples to look to for inspiration. The value of interfaith memoirs is to give families new ways to think about, dream about, and talk about how to practice multiple faiths in one household in a way that makes everyone involved better for it.
The strength of Mixed-Up Love is the personal nature of the story: the sweet details and the actual nuts and bolts of conflict and resolution. Too often, I'm disappointed by memoirs that gloss over specific logistics in the haze of success and viewed in hindsight. I was delighted to feel as if I'd been welcomed into the kind of intimacy of minutia one usually receives in real-time over tea with a friend. As with most things, this specificity is also its weakness. Jon and Michal met and married in their forties, after lives spent forging paths that required and allowed for lots of self-reflection and spiritual maturity. By the time they met, they had each somewhat firmly settled into religiously radical viewpoints within their own traditions. I think their story might be hard to access for young, more mainstream couples who haven't had as much time to sort out their own knowledge of self or who have and have decided that more traditional forms of religious practice were appealing.
But their story is fascinating and warmly told. I was entranced by their style of writing and tone: at once both deliberate and loose. These are clearly two highly intelligent people with a deep love for one another that has an additional element of strong companionship. We should all be so lucky to develop the kind of marriage they have and have generously shared with readers.
The only real objection I have is that Jon and Michal give primacy to prayer, ritual and liturgy as spiritual acts. They do not spend much time discussing home practices in Judaism and they give the sacred bread-breaking tradition of Christian potlucks no value in their lives. Although I love corporate religious services, I was sad to find the more mundane aspects of spirituality minimized. Jon does acknowledge that prayer is better when in the company of people who know his name and they cite numerous times that deep relationships are a foundational value for both of them.
Perhaps their peculiarities (which they comfortably discuss in the book) have not let them experience deep relationships within a religious organization and that is why ii is seen as a less-than option for engaging God. My own successful experiences encountering God through loving and being loved by other people at post-modern church or with a progressive rabbi or even in high school youth group growing up make spiritual community a higher priority for me as a spiritual discipline. Passover Seders, dinners for 8, small group study, chavura and keeping kosher are all forms of worship that they do not emphasize.
However, Jon and Michal's obvious desire to tell a story that is unique and useful to the larger interfaith community balance this small objection out. They do a particularly good job of describing a Christian faith that is not threatened by a spouse and child who are Jewish and sensibly describing the theology behind that comfort in a way that everyone can understand. Not all faith is based on insisting a set of beliefs is the absolute truth but those voices are often much quieter than fundamentalist voices. Jon and Michal speak loudly and clearly in this area to everyone's benefit.
The more our organizations make room for folks to bring their whole selves to the community, the stronger we all will be. Jon and Michal's book and life together definitely contribute positively to this transformation of the interfaith landscape.
I highly recommend Mixed-Up Love to couples navigating their own interfaith families, grandparents of interfaith grandchildren and clergy who want to better understand the couples who walk through their doors and the options available for their lives together.
(This review was originally published in a different form on InterfaithFamily.com)
Sweeney and Woll are concerned with the latter. I'd call their book an "abstracted" memoir: a couple with strongly-felt but disparate spiritual backgrounds and practices decide that their developing relationship is important enough that they're willing to wrestle with the adaptations it requires each to make. From their experience, they draw conclusions and make suggestions that others in a similar situation may find useful.
If there's a single message, it's for couples to work past labels and rituals that may initially seem alien, in order to seek the commonality that underlies many traditions. And where such commonality may not exist, couples can still express the support and respect that make up every successful family. I found especially valuable their conversations about common crisis points that can confront mixed relationships: wedding or commitment ceremonies, handling the holidays, giving birth to, raising and educating children.
Initially, it seemed distracting that, in addition to their jointly-written sections, each author wrote separate parts that reflect more personal takes on the current topic, or their personal history in regard to it. But what at first seemed a stylistic affectation eventually meshed with the book's overall message: successful mixed relationships acknowledge that each partner brings something different to the table, and each continues to respect both those differences and how they integrate to create a whole.
They write for a specific audience: couples who function at a high intellectual level and communicate well, share a commitment to mutual support, and generally feel less concern about adherence to rigid rules than the positive ethical and spiritual beliefs that nourish them.
Others who don't fit that profile may find this book doesn't speak to them. That would include people certain that one particular cosmology and its secular implementations constitute the only correct approach to life; those for whom approval by external reference groups -- family or church, for example -- is of overriding importance; and those with no background or interest in spiritual belief or practice.
But for its intended audience, Sweeney and Woll offer a useful, intellectual approach to a successful religiously mixed relationship, and suggestions for ways to nurture its continued growth.







