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So Much More Hardcover – October 17, 2005

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I encourage fathers, mothers, daughers, and sons to read this book---and that covers everyone. --R.C. Sproul, Jr., Highlands Study Center (back cover of book)

Page after page, I laughed, rejoiced, wept, and felt ''hallelujahs!'' rising in my throat. --Jennie Chancey, Ladies Against Feminism (back cover of book)

Anna and Elizabeth Botkin have managed to expose the feminist lies that have indoctrinated our western culture. . . --Stacy McDonald, Homeschooling Today (back cover of book)

Anna and Elizabeth Botkin have managed to expose the feminist lies that have indoctrinated our western culture. . . --Stacy McDonald, Homeschooling Today (back cover of book)

Page after page, I laughed, rejoiced, wept, and felt “hallelujahs!” rising in my throat. --Jennie Chancey, Ladies Against Feminism (back cover of book)

Anna and Elizabeth Botkin have managed to expose the feminist lies that have indoctrinated our western culture. . . --Stacy McDonald, Homeschooling Today (back cover of book)

About the Author

Anna Sofia and Elizabeth Botkin, ages nineteen and seventeen, respectively, have observed the decline of Western civilization in both the United States and the British Commonwealth. They are the daughters of Geoffrey and Victoria Botkin and currently live on New Zealand's Seven Arrows Ranch with their family. For many years they and their five brothers have shared their family's vision for cultural reformation, and have actively worked with their father on projects affecting family, church, and state. They both share a deep concern about the momentous choices young, unmarried women will make at this very important time in history---choices that will not only affect the rest of their lives, but also the future of the West.
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Product Details

  • Series: 4th printing
  • Hardcover: 333 pages
  • Publisher: Vision Forum; First Edition edition (October 17, 2005)
  • Language: English
  • ISBN-10: 0975526383
  • ISBN-13: 978-0975526385
  • Product Dimensions: 9.1 x 6.3 x 1.4 inches
  • Shipping Weight: 1.2 pounds
  • Average Customer Review: 3.6 out of 5 stars  See all reviews (68 customer reviews)
  • Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #190,658 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)

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The positive elements of this book is that it really places value on women, something not seen in today's culture! It places responsibility on men to protect and cherish women. The advice to young women is exceptional and definitely raises the bar! Young women are encouraged in their relationships with their fathers. However, one thing I found to be very impractical is the stand they take against higher education among women. "So Much More" takes a huge stand AGAINST ANY college for girls and basically makes it sound like they will be ruined for life if they go. I disagree! It's an unpredictable world and I believe that women need something to fall back on--just in case. The authors believe (STRONGLY) that young woman are to stay under the protection of their father until they marry, not go to college and then transfer their dependency over to their husbands. This might have worked 100 years ago, but men are not the same "protectors" as they once were. I am not a feminist or believe in Women's Lib, but I do believe that a woman needs to be able to support herself, if needed...I've had several friends "trapped" in horrible/abusive marriages due to this very thing. The authors of this book support the idea that it's a woman's family or her church's responsibility to step up and support her financially. This might be true in a perfect world, but I don't live in that world. I've never seen a church step in and support single moms...maybe they should...but it doesn't happen. Another factor is that in today's world, many girls have absent dads in their lives and this book is geared towards the girls who have the traditional family. I have four children(ages 8yrs-22yrs.)who are blessed to have that traditional family...a father who loves them, a mom who stays home and home schools them, however, most kids aren't blessed with this. A girl who has an absent father might get the feeling as though her life isn't the "perfect life" and she's messed for good! Just my opinion:)
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First, I want to say that I have nothing personally against the authors of this book. I really don't have anything against the book because God will use it to His advantage. However, there are some concerns that I have about some of the content. One of the concerns I have is that a lot of homeschoolers are falling into the trap of putting faith in their standards and beliefs as a measuring stick to how close somebody is to God. However, when life falls out from under your feet, dresses, homeschooling, women staying at home, daughters waiting for husbands, and any other standards cannot help you. There is no measuring stick to being close to God. It is only Christ living within a person that makes them positionally righteous before God. Sin is disobedience to God's commands. So what does God command? We can take the scripture and ignore it because we don't want to change or we can take the scripture and run with it leaning on our own understanding. The culture of Israel at the time was strongly against women. Women were viewed as lower then men. Jesus Christ raised women to a new level of respect and honor. (Mary was given the task of bringing the savior into the world.) (Note that her father knew nothing of this and wasn't even mentioned in the story. God spoke to Mary and Mary alone and chose her for this calling. Her family had nothing to do with it.) Women were mentioned frequently through out scripture as workers in the church. Even if they were not as prominate as men that is no surprise because the cultural view of women was so low. Perhaps women were not as brave as to answer God's call to service. The authors of this book state a few things that I disagree with:

1. That women cannot be missionaries unless they are married and even that is iffy.
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I give this book one star simply because I believe that these young girls sincerely desire to please God and their parents, which in and of itself is good.

However, the entire basis for the book is completely flawed...where do I even begin? Basically, they are taking the premise of wives submitting to their husbands, as well as the general guidelines in scripture for the relationship between a husband and wife, and trying desperately to apply it to a girl's relationship to her father. This is unscriptural and does not work. The relationship between a husband is wife is UNIQUE and meant to be a metaphor of Christ and the church, which is the very reason many of the things that apply to husbands and wives cannot be extrapolated and assigned to just any person, male or female, or any relationship. The picture of Christ and the church is shown through the husband and his wife, NOT the father and his daughter!! I am writing this review because I read the entire book, and I really wanted to believe what it said. And I did, in fact, for a short time. However, page after page the flaws would nag at me and I could not ultimately ignore this horrible logic.

They even go so far as to suggest that it was Dinah's fault she was raped, because she left her house and did not stay with her father!! Yikes, that makes me pretty sick.

Their arguments against higher education are extremely weak, not based on scripture and do not hold any water considering they have not been to college, how can they know what it is like and argue against it for EVERY individual?

So ultimately, yes I believe that once a woman is married and has children, her biblically defined role is within the sphere of her home, caring for her OWN children and submitting to her OWN husband.
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