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Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement Kindle Edition
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- PublisherBeacon Press
- Publication dateMarch 1, 2009
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"An invaluable contribution to understanding how religious fundamentalism still stands in the way of sexual justice . . . An urgent call to dismantle fundamentalism's hold on our politics, and our policy-making."—Sarah Posner, American Prospect online
"Insightful . . . A call to reexamine our own beliefs . . . The issues Joyce's book raises are fundamental to our identity as human beings, and as Christians. Perhaps they could stand some reexamination."—Elrena Evans, Christianity Today
"[An] excellent, frightening new book . . . Quiverfull merits wide readership."—Edd Doerr, The Voice of Reason: Journal of Americans for Religious Liberty
"Riveting and deeply disturbing. This important book shines a light on a corner of the Christian right that has taken misogyny to sadomasochistic extremes, and reveals the sexual anxieties so often underlying modern fundamentalism."—Michelle Goldberg, author of Kingdom Coming
"Joyce gives us a first-ever glimpse into the Christian patriarchy movement, and her riveting reporting makes it all the scarier. If you've been feeling complacent about women's status, read this book!—Barbara Ehrenreich
"A groundbreaking investigation . . . Future historians and journalists will owe Joyce a debt of gratitude for her foray into this still nascent religious group."—Publishers Weekly
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Conservative Christians may say they have no use for feminism, but increasingly, over the past twenty years, feminism—that is, sworn enmity to it—has become a rallying point for conservative and orthodox believers ranging from evangelicals to Catholics to Mormons to Reformed Protestants to fundamentalists, almost a stronger organizing principle than particular doctrines themselves. Feminism, as they see it, is what started it all. Mary Pride, an early leader in the homeschool movement and publisher of the influential Practical Homeschooling magazine, was also author of The Way Home: Beyond Feminism, Back to Reality, a book published in 1985 that did much to recreate the homeschooling movement along patriarchal and militantly fertile lines. Pride sees feminism as combining a range of ills from communism to self-worship to witchcraft. The influence of feminists, she writes, can be seen in the “victimization” of women through no-fault divorce laws; in casual sex, which lowers women from protected wives to the level of “unpaid prostitutes”; in vice peddling, such as cigarette and alcohol companies “cashing in” on displaced homemakers whose husbands have left them; and in lower wages for husbands with the abolishment of the gender-weighted “family wage” (paying men more than women on the argument that they were working to support dependents, while women were working for “extra” income). Not to mention what Pride sees as the cause-and-effect slide from socially sanctioned birth control to legalized abortion.
But the most troubling aspect of feminism to Pride, along with a wide-ranging band of fellow believers, whether they call themselves patriarchalists, antifeminists, complementarians (as opposed to egalitarians, feminism’s mild evangelical cousins), or proponents of biblical manhood and womanhood, isn’t any of its specific sins, but its acceptance by Christians, allowing the philosophy of the enemy to strike at Christ’s church.
“Christians have accepted feminists’ moderate demands for family planning and careers while rejecting the radical side of feminism—meaning lesbianism and abortion,” she writes. “What most do not see is that one demand leads to the other. Feminism is a totally self-consistent system aimed at rejecting God’s role for women. Those who adopt any part of its lifestyle can’t help picking up its philosophy. And those who pick up its philosophy are buying themselves a one-way ticket to social anarchy.” Pride isn’t suggesting some easy reversion to the Ozzie and Harriet model of the 1950s, but something more extreme. “Feminism is self-consistent. The Christianity of the fifties wasn’t. Feminists had a plan for women. Christians didn’t.”
But since, and in large part due to, Pride’s writing, Christians do have a plan: a “whole-cloth,” integrated lifestyle for women. It is not about independence and self-fulfillment but submissive wives following the leadership of patriarch husbands, working at home to educate their children and support their husband through his work, rest, and ministry, and “dying to the self ”—a Christ-like self-abnegation and acceptance of God’s plan for their role in life as helpmeets to their husbands. This biblical womanhood, encompassing homework, motherhood, and wifehood as they were lived not in the 1950s but in a notion of preindustrial, pre–household appliance times, is what Pride calls a “total lifestyle”—as comprehensive as the pervasive influence of feminism, which has reached every part of women’s work lives, biology, and thinking. And this time around, the antifeminists intend to be fiercely diligent—rooting out the worldly, “feministic” ideas and influences in their churches, entertainment, and own thinking and making sure it doesn’t come back.
In a way, to that minority of American women who actually do claim the title “feminist”—a rarity bemoaned by both feminists and antifeminists alike, who both see the majority of women living out feminist ideals without recognizing or acknowledging their roots in the women’s liberation movement—this heated attention and estimation of feminist power is strangely flattering. Nobody has taken the feminist threat to decency and order this seriously since the 1970s. But it’s less amusing to realize that the movement against feminism, including all its unacknowledged aspects, such as the acceptance of women’s careers, the expectation of pay equity, a greater degree of sexual freedom and bodily self-determination, more equitable divisions of housework and childcare, and shared decision-making between husbands and wives, is being undertaken on a large scale by a coalition that goes far beyond the home-schooling community with its separatist ethos, yet which has echoed the ideas of men and women as extreme as Doug Phillips and Mary Pride with surprising fidelity.
John Piper and Wayne Grudem, both Reformed Baptist preachers and theologians, are leading members of the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (CBMW), an organization founded in 1987 with the goal of fighting feminist or egalitarian influences in the evangelical church. Piper and Grudem targeted the modest trend of “Christian feminism,” a gentler notion of equality than mainstream feminism that was sparked in part by moderate theologians questioning the long-held assumptions of evangelical churches that women should be barred from positions of church authority or, in some denominations, from speaking in church at all. Christian egalitarians also believe that the church shouldn’t discourage women’s careers outside the home and that family planning decisions are best left within the family.
But even such tepid endorsements of gender equality were threatening to established patriarchal traditions, and the CBMW was formed as a rebuttal. The Council, which today spreads its message through the sixteen-million-member Southern Baptist Convention, the conservative Presbyterian Church in America, and the evangelical ministry Campus Crusade for Christ, grew out of the publication of the “Danvers Statement,” an antiegalitarian document signed by dozens of theologians and pastors whose names have become synonymous within evangelical circles with Christian antifeminist activism. They include Beverly LaHaye, founder of Concerned Women for America and wife of Left Behind author Tim LaHaye; Dorothy Patterson, wife of Paige Patterson, one of the architects of the conservative takeover of the Southern Baptist Convention; Mary Kassian, a leading writer and conference speaker on biblical womanhood; CBMW board members Pat Robertson and Paige Patterson; and a number of men pushing the evangelical church toward Reformed theology, more commonly known as Calvinism or Puritanism: John MacArthur, Jr., R.C. Sproul, Sr., D.A. Carson, and dozens of others. Heavyweight contenders in the theological-political realm have also contributed essays and support to the CBMW, such as Albert Mohler, president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, which steers the doctrine of the mammoth denomination. In an essay for CBMW, Mohler called for courageous action in reestablishing traditional gender roles throughout American Christendom. And Piper today disseminates his complementarian theology through his popular “Desiring God” ministry, church “plants” (expanding a network of churches like a franchise from his own Minnesota-based church), and conference series.
The Danvers Statement, which stands as the Council’s call to arms, holds that “widespread uncertainty and confusion in our culture regarding the complementary differences between masculinity and femininity,” the promotion of feminist egalitarianism, ambivalence toward motherhood and homemaking, calls for female church leadership, and “growing claims of legitimacy” for “illicit” sexual relationships—that is, gay rights—had all jeopardized the authority of Scripture, making theology too confusing for “ordinary people” who depend on the Bible’s literalism for direction. Such laity, the Council warned, would be thrown into uncertainty, and perhaps doubt, by an “evolved” standard on gender that seemed to contradict the given Word: if God’s revelations on the sexes were up for modernization, why not the rest? And the careless threat to the faith, they argued, was all in the name of the church accommodating the world rather than seeking to shape that world to the standards of the gospel.
The founding purpose of the Council was, in short, to counteract these influences by promoting a biblical view of the relationship between men and women, at home and in the church, through academic and popular publications. They sought to encourage lay people to study Scripture as a literal guide for biblical gender roles and relations and apply these guidelines to their lives, and thereby heal “people and relationships injured by an inadequate grasp of God’s will concerning manhood and womanhood; to help both men and women realize their full ministry potential through a true understanding and practice of their God-given roles, and to promote the spread of the gospel among all peoples by fostering a biblical wholeness in relationships that will attract a fractured world.”
In other words, the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood sought to make marriages that look like a return to well-ordered harmony an advertisement for the church. In a world grappling with the growing pains of new demands for marital fair play and with...
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- Reviewed in the United States on April 18, 2009In this book, writer and columnist Kathryn Joyce goes all out to reveal the dangerous, acidic patriarchy (better known as "patriocentricity" among those who are familiar with its poison) that has been leaking into Christianity for the past several years. This movement goes far beyond complimentarianism, the hierarchal and extra-Biblical (though comparatively mild) system that the likes of Wayne Grudem and John Piper exhort, and instead forbids women from voting, holding public office of any sort, working outside the home, attending college or public school, using abortion even to save their lives from doomed pregnancies, or using birth control. Instead, it upholds the womb as the single and most valuable part of a woman, a part that she is nevertheless forbidden to have any control or say over. There are many vile members and levels of this new wicked belief system, and author Joyce reveals nearly all of them in this shocking volume.
One of the most outlandish and domineering of these groups is that of the Vision Forum, a relatively new cult which embraces all of the afore-described "values" and pushes them, and the women who practice them, beyond the brink of sanity. Begun by Doug Phillips, a man who has proven more than once to have no Christian character, this movement has stretched beyond the borders of its own cult and now seeks to ensnare thousands across the country. Joyce spent years in the making of this book by traveling and visiting several different members of Vision Forum and its rotten branches, interviewing its victims, members and supporters, and offering fascinating descriptions of their beliefs as well as their behavorial traits; one of the treats of this book is Joyce's sharp eye for detail and description, taking you straight into this strange world and the minds of its inhabitants. It's quite an experience to hear/read the words from these strange people themselves, and how Joyce restrained herself from showing shock or revulsion is beyond me.
One of the most in-depth chapters is "Life in the Garden", in which Joyce shares the story of a couple she interviewed who were former members of Doug Phillips's own church. The story was mainly told by the wife of the couple, "Jen", who joined the church when the VF (Vision Forum) was still young and actually allowed its women to perform in the church like human beings. As she and her family's attendence progressed, the VF church tightened its reigns chokingly on the female members, until women were no longer allowed to literally speak at all in church, wear anything other than dresses, take communion for themselves, or sometimes even drive. I should mention, at this point, that Mrs. Epstein and her husband had many deep emotional problems before they joined the Phillips' church, problems which were exacerbated greatly by Doug Phillips interfering faultily in their marriage, but also made worse by Jen's fierce desire to get even with Phillips. Her story has, unfortunately, proven unstable, as well as her character during the process of searching for justice. A few things are certain: Doug Phillips further contributed to the problems in the Epstein marriage by premature judgement and public embarassment and condemnation. He and his church treated their children unfairly and unkindly for their parents' faults. Jen also greatly worsened her own problems by dedicating herself to revealing Phillips' spiritual wrongs, so aggressively that it became first in her life, pursuing him long after the matter should have been left behind, and taking her family through the mire with her, sometimes throwing away the chance to better matters. She and her husband were both dedicated to revealing what was done to them, with Jen giving scathing reports of her husband as well as Phillips. One thing the warring couple still agree on is that Phillips handled his marriage counseling terribly and encouraged his church to shun their children unfairly. Here is the story as told by Jen to Kathryn Joyce:
Jen often openly disagreed with the Phillips' church treatment of women, much to the chagrin of the "pastor", Doug Phillips himself, who shut down her complaints. Her own true crucifiction, however, didn't come about until after she let the group know about her marital problems. Jen's husband had a temper that was becoming increasingly violent towards her. When she sought the help of Beaull and then Doug Phillips, she was told merely to try harder (from Beaull) and was later openly mocked by Doug. When she approached Doug, he automatically demanded whether she was submissive, obedient, gentle and quiet in her marriage. When Jen confirmed this, Doug walked right up to her husband and asked HIM whether Jen was a nag, unsubmissive or disrespectful, right in front of her. Phillips then called a conference and cruelly interrogated Jen about an affair she'd had thirteen years ago, before she was ever a member of the church, calling her a whore and a Jezebel (Phillips later denied calling her a Jezebel). Jen and her husband were then forbidden to take communion for a long while, and Jen was forbidden to ever speak badly of her husband, question or criticize him. When the temper of Jen's husband worsened and he had a bout of road rage with the children in the car, Jen strickenly told the church what happened, and was chastised for again "speaking badly" of her husband. Doug Phillips then sentenced her to submission counseling lessons.
Things came to a head once again when Jen dared send an email to Phillips, challenging the message in one of his sermons. He threw a fit and scolded her yet again, claiming that she should never criticize her pastor..though according to Phillips, the email would have been fine coming from her husband. Phillips threatened Jen that she would pay for her actions, and not long afterward, after a brief forewarning, he read a long charge against Jen and her husband to the entire church (this charge included their marital problems and, once again, Jen's old affair). Doug Phillips ended his punishment drive by excommunicating their family, telling them to fear for their souls, and ordering every member of the church to treat them like heathens (the account of the church's shunning was backed up by one of the Epstein's daughters, who mourned the loss of her former friends). After that, Jen, her husband and their children were treated like lepers: the VF church members refused to make eye contact, snubbed them, or scampered across the street like rats anytime they approached (one of the breeding Stepfords even refused a baby shower gift from Jen). This story was, perhaps, the first real public sign of the unforgiving attitudes of the Phillips' fellow wolves.
Jen's incident is sadly not an isolated one with the VF and their fellow piranah brethren, as Joyce later reveals in the book. Another woman and wife, Cheryl Lindsey Seelhoff, well-known among the homeschooling movement for her former magazine "Gentle Spirit", was utterly butchered when her marriage ended. While she and her husband were in the process of divorce proceedings, she met her future next husband, Rick. When her current husband, an abusive man, discovered she had an attachment, he spread the word among her homeschooling colleagues, even asking them to spy on her. They happily complied, and the anti-woman movement slowly began to close in on Cheryl with newly sharpened teeth. Pretty soon she began receiving harassing interrogations as to her private life from her fellow homeschooling authors. Her soon-to-be-ex husband and pastor had even informed Michael Boutot, the organizer of the conference Cheryl had just attended, that she was guilty of unChristian behavior. Boutot proceeded to descend on her as well, demanding that she fulfill a list of ultimatums and make her "immoral" behavior known to her church and all the members of the homeschooling movement. When Cheryl refused to cave to their bullying, their intent on national slaughter became even more heated. Her pastor announced to the congregation that she was being turned over to Satan and planned to send this notice nationwide. Sue Welch, a former fellow homeschooling colleague of Cheryl's and particularly vicious harpy, eagerly offered to stamp the letters, planned to tell other homeschooling advertisers to cease business with Cheryl, and then proceeded to send the juicy news to the queen of the patriarchal homeschooling movement, Mary Pride. Pride seized the opportunity to add the news of Cheryl's public shame to her own magazine, "HELP for Growing Families". She then set up two AOL discussion folders for the sole purpose of attacking Cheryl and asked her assistant, David Ayers, to create a plan to win all of Cheryl's former readers over to her own magazine instead. Gosh, what a Christian group. The way they eagerly feed on their fallen sisters' blood puts their so-called feminist enemies and critics to shame.
Even aside from these ultra-extremists, Joyce reveals in the book that some otherwise "normal" patriarchs have shamefully downgraded women and, perhaps unwillingly, set them up for abuse. Whether they do this through downright stupid and thoughtless remarks, automatic distrust of women, or Scriptural twistings, it all leads to the spiritual and possibly physical harm and disrespect of God's daughters. Here are some of the most offensive remarks by strongly professed complimentarians, a couple of whom are otherwise well-known and respected among the Christian community:
Nancy Campbell, one of the queen enthusiasts of the breeding frenzy doctrine, tells men and women that the Bible says to be fruitful and multiply and not to wait for financial stability or security. "(God) did not say, "I want you both to work until you have enough money to purchase your own home and accumulate the material possessions you need, then I want you to be fruitful," Campbell magnanimously explains. "No, His first command was "Be fruitful and multiply." You heard that, ladies and gents: God doesn't care about your financial security, living circumstances, or state of being. When you get married, you'd better get those reproductive organs moving! That's what you're here for. And no condoms for you! Elsewhere, Campbell openly criticizes families who have only a couple of children, no doubt as being unGodly. "I've heard couples brag to me that they have two grandchildren," she laments. "When did two children ever change the world?" Indeed, whoever heard of God only using a few measly people to change history?
Martha Peace offers both bad logic and castigation of her sisters in Christ when she makes a list of different ways women are selfish (she doesn't even do this consciously; I just suddenly noticed the very high number of times she used the word "selfish" to describe women). According to Peace, it is selfish for women to enjoy any late-night time. "Women are not 'night owls'," Peace says. "They are selfish." It is also selfish, Peace claims, for women to expect a career, equality, or romance in marriage. This last alarming, legalistic, and otherwise bogus claim is repeated by some of the patriarchal-courtship followers. One man claims that a woman's father, and not love, should determine his daughter's husband. "If you were to sum up courtship in one sentence," he says, "you could say that it gets the father in the picture and Cupid out." I was, to put it mildly, horrified and disgusted by this description. Not only does it encourage the most sinful controlling spirit in a father, but it could completely, by principle, deprive a woman of even love in her marriage! Marriage is about love, not procreation and not some sort of Christian bargaining chip. These people have no spontaneity, no imagination, and apparently no heart; to deprive a woman of love and her own natural passion for a man (which is also thwarted by these psychos in the deprivation of any kind of romantic novels for their daughters, in order to keep them spiritually anesthized), is a terrible emotional crime that the Bible never exhorts, even in the OT. And yet, women like the foolish Botkins (the home princesses that the VF upholds as models of daughterhood) actually fight for this lifestyle; their meek baby teeth and paper spine only come out in aggression when they protect their father and the emotionally incestous relationship they hold with him.
Likewise, even though women of Peace's ilk don't fight for the father/daughter sickness that the Botkins do, they too show aggression mainly when they are not fighting for Christ, but head-butting other women into the herd behind the men. Women like Peace and Jennie Chancey urge "gentle and quiet" spirits, except for when they themselves scold women about not having them. As author Joyce points out in this book, the amusing irony is how viciously these women fight for their own subordination. Nancy Leigh Demoss, usually a tough-spoken woman of Christ, similarly urges women to take a backseat. "This is a revolution that will take place on our knees," she writes. Perhaps this image was meant to make me think of women kneeling for Christ; instead, knowing as I do how these women preach about "servicing" men, the mental picture I got was that of Monica Lewinsky.
Back to the topic of errant physical abuse, though, the more chilling part of this book was when author Joyce revealed the careless and cruel remarks of men, Christian teaching men, who either indicate or outrightly claim that wives bring physical abuse on themselves. John MacAurthur allows that wives may leave abusive husbands temporarily, "while the heat is on", but should return later to make amends, being careful not to provoke abuse since wives, he claims, often cause their own injuries in their desires to rule over men. On a similar note, Bruce Ware, an abominable man, claims that women are frequently abused because of their own rebellious refusal to submit to their husbands (it should be noted here that Ware is known for his extra-Biblical claims, including the claim that Christ should not be prayed to [being inferior to God the Father] and that women are only the "indirect image of God.") The worst comment of all in this vein comes from James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family. Dobson makes the abhorrent claim that some wives seek abuse for the "moral advantage" that a black eye gives them as a "martyr" in the relationship. If this is the true motive of women in abusive relationships, when they deliberately dare to look at their husbands the wrong way or neglect to make their coffee, just imagine how self-righteous are the wives who get their jaws wired shut! And the rebellious women who didn't survive abuse? No doubt God gave them a huge lecture at the pearly gates for so relentlessly bugging their husbands.
On a last note, one of the things you need to watch out for with folk like the VF, besides disrespect for women, is their current hobby of revising history. And this doesn't just happen with women; when the patrios aren't claiming that feminists were the ones assaulting police officers and making bogus arrests, or claiming that female slaves actually stayed in their cabins peacefully cooking meals for their husbands all day like good little Christian girls (this last claim came from "Lady Lydia", one of the doily duchesses from the Ladies against Feminism site), they're trying to deny any and all claims that white men were ever bad. Recently, Americans cooled their celebration of Jamestown Day, after being reminded by Native Americans how exactly Jamestown was won. When Doug Phillips and his cronies heard this, they threw a collective fit, saying white Americans should take every pride and pleasure in their winning of Jamestown. He proceeded to throw a huge celebration of the white man's victory, dragging his whole cultic kit and kaboodle down to Jamestown, complete in puritanic outfits, to commemorate the "Christian" occasion. Author Joyce actually attended this event and spoke to him personally. While explaining his intentions to her, Phillips said, "If you go on the national commemoration website, you'll see that not the natives but the settlers were cannibals; that they were terrorists against the environment; that there was a holocaust; that the settlers were guilty of lynchings; that a genocide took place." In short, he concluded, you needed more than the oral tradition to defend something like that. I was blown away by this comment, the most honesty I'd ever witnessed from Mr. Phillips. But one thing nagged me: who'd WANT to defend something like that? Why are we pretending the white settlers were something they weren't? In explaining his defense of the celebration of Jamestown Day, Phillips said of the occasion, "Who wants to go to a birthday party where you're mad at the parents and lament the birth?" I can answer that quite easily: try comparing it to the birthday party of a child conceived in a rape. Do you love the child? Are you happy the child's alive? Yes and yes, but do you pretend or deny the circumstances of the child's conception and ignore the nature of one of his parents? No you don't. Celebrating the child's presence and celebrating the reason for that presence are not the same. Jamestown was won in a bloody mass rape, rape of the earth and rape-like theft from those who truly owned and loved it. We should be thanking God for His mercy on our country, not for His imaginary blessing on how all of it was gained.
Reading this book was an enlightening experience, to say the least. For the past years, Kathryn Joyce has tirelessly and faithfully visited the members of patriarchy and collected the facts straight from them, and the result is this sterling and often captivating book. As angry as parts of it made me, I could hardly put it down; Joyce's graceful writing and incredible patience with her subject revealed all the complex facts of this movement with wonderful description and painstaking accuracy. Throughout the whole book, moreover, she never really pulls a punch; I at first feared this would be an irritant to me, longing as I was to read a cutting rebuttal to the patrios' words, but Joyce does little more than state the facts and relate her own experiences. As one critic pointed out, the VF and like-minded people she cited won't be able to say much against her; they certainly can't accuse her of being mean, and she represents them better than most of their own followers do! I have nothing but praise for Kathryn Joyce and hope to see more of her well-researched and addictive writing in the future. In the meantime, I pray that all who come across her vital book heed the warning they find and beware the danger that this deadly movement presents.
Update: Oh my, this book has officially delivered its message. Not only are VF supporters throwing bad votes at my review (and other positive ones) as fast as their little fingers can punch, but the VF has issued their official and predicted mud sling at Joyce, and it's really quite hilarious. Here's an excerpt:
"In the world of Kathryn Joyce, scientists and professional demographers who warn about the serious consequence of an imminent birth dearth are really bigots with an agenda to perpetuate white Christian babies; prolific Christian homeschool mothers and their daughters are mindless doormats to domineering patriarchs; and Christian ministries like Vision Forum with a pro-family theology are dangerous subversives"
Why is this hilarious? Because I said before that Joyce never slings a real verbal punch by namecalling, true mocking, etc. That means that the VF's whine about her using the labels "brainwashing" and "doormats" is completely false; she never uses such labels. Instead, all she does is lay out the facts about the patriocentric lifestyle, many times by quoting the people who practice it, who were only too happy to share it with her. Whether or not these lifestyles sound like brainwashing and its girls sound like doormats is left up to the reader, and apparently, the VF thinks they do!! They could not possibly have done themselves in more perfectly in this matter. Say what you wish of this book, naysayers, but the simple fact remains that the nasty, truth-telling feminist in this case is not namecalling, while the small "Christian" man, on the other hand, is jumping up and down screaming obscenities.
- Reviewed in the United States on February 2, 2015"Quiver full: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement ", by Kathryn Joyce.
I found the book to be an accurate depiction of Fundamentalist Christian mindset. Every human emotion involving self is sinful and immoral. To like yourself means you are vain, self indulgent and wicked. You have allowed evil/Satan to take over your life. You are not encouraged to think independently and question the idea's being spoon fed to you by Fundamentalist Christianity. The children grow up to have literally no self esteem or confidence in themselves. They have even less self esteem because they are a female and are not worth much in the Fundamentalist world except to breed. You are raised to think you should aspire to nothing more than marriage and motherhood. That's all girls are good for and nothing more. Most of them cannot think for themselves, they have to refer to the bible to find answers to life's questions or have their husband do their thinking for them like my Grandmother did. In their world Feminism is the great Satan. They blame all of society's ills on feminism rather than taking a good look at themselves and the evil that lies within their movement. They rely heavily on guilt and terrorizing the young into 'being saved'. Something for a lot of us only lasted as long as we were home, but was shed the minute we left home. I think a lot of them enjoy making themselves and others around them miserable. It often leaves me to wonder what people find so enticing about such a dark repressive religion that controls ones every thought. It's taken me 55 years to get over that terrible religion.
I will admit, I finally had to quit reading this book at around page 140. When it was divulged that they were heavily into the trying to eliminate birth control and force their beliefs upon a society around them, that's when it became too much for me. I find these people warped, immoral in their arrogance and irresponsible behavior. They have a right to their religious beliefs...but they DO NOT have a right to force them upon others around them. There is nothing admirable about the grinding poverty they promote with too many children, the misery, the starvation and the suffering of millions from overpopulation they are advocating breeds. The hapless people who didn't ask to be brought into the world to suffer. It's criminal to advocate the kind of immoral behavior they are indulging in...even if it's done for religions sake. In a world that's already been populated into oblivion and dying from excessive human population and all the problems that go with it, by past generations of thoughtless people like them.
It's almost like it is some sort of a twisted parlor game for their pleasure to outdo each other in the breeding department. There are too many offspring for the Mother to have any kind of a decent relationship with any of them. My mother was born into such a ultra religious household where she was the eldest of 10 children, who was expected to raise the younger siblings along with doing all the cooking of family meals, housekeeping and any other dirty chores her mother (my Grandmother) was incapable of performing because she was always pregnant. Her father (my grandfather) chased away every boyfriend she had until 26, so he wouldn't lose his built in housekeeper. I am not sure why he didn't chase my father away, maybe he had started to have a glimmer of a conscious by that time or people had begun to gossip about why Mom was still single and living at home...who knows?
That was something my sister and I learned early in life (there were only two of us), how much our mother resented the childhood she had been robbed of , because she had another one forced upon her by two thoughtless parents only interested in what they wanted and their religion. It was nothing our Mother said outright, but the anger was there right below the surface in body language on special occasions and rumblings within our family from siblings of our Mothers. Who viewed my Mother as their only mother, because she was the one who raised them. Our Mother on no occasion ever talked about her childhood. So to this day I know nothing about her younger years. My sister and I knew it was not a happy period in her life. So we didn't ask to many questions and bring her added pain.
My Grandmother had no relationship with any kind with her 10 children and even less of one with the 40 Grandchildren that came later . I didn't know the joys of having a doting Grandmother growing up. My Grandmother didn't know who I was at my Mother's funeral. Still, all my Grandmother could do was whine and complain that none of her children loved her. What did she expect...she wasn't a mother to any of them? Their only mother was dead now...my mother! There were too many to have one on one relationship with like I do my two. She didn't know any of them, she always had her nose stuck in the Bible. But, she was extremely good at moralizing to others through her poison pen letters (my mother's term not mine, when my mother finally tore into her for writing them and reminded her there was a federal law against sending such garbage through the mail). I got one when she accidently discovered I smoked cigarettes. She never confronted anyone openly something my Grandfather would not have tolerated, they just got a religious tract and a sermon in the mail. I threw it in the trash, but have often wished I had kept it to show my children what these so called Fundamentalist Christian's are really like. So I know all about these patriarchal family movements filled with more and more dysfunctional Christian's.
But, Kathryn Joyce does a great job in her depiction of the movement (the only reason I gave it such a high rating). I will give her an 'A' for not letting her feminist side get in the way of the story. I did on no occasion pick up on any bias or utter revulsion I was feeling for their lifestyle. It became too much for me just reading it (a devout Secular Humanist) and I had to let it all out or explode. So I quit reading the book and put it up. I am determined to never buy another one like it again as long as I live. These Christian cults are way too bizarre for me. They are giving Christianity a dirty name.
My daughter kept telling me about '19 children and counting' and the Duggars she watched frequently. So I decided much to my sorrow to check out this book and see what they were all about. They sounded a whole lot like my Grandmother, that I have never been able to put a label on until now. I bought a used copy of it that had been in a library from an outfit that donates the proceeds to literacy programs, so it wasn't a total waste of money. What little I paid for it went to a good cause. Thankfully my daughter has finally figured out it is all a boat load of propaganda. They are trying to sell the lifestyle of Christian Fundamentalism and excessive breeding to a skeptical public. That most of us are too intelligent to buy into.
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SeleneReviewed in Canada on May 20, 20175.0 out of 5 stars read the book it is a great primary first hand account of one woman and one ...
Delivery was right on time.. read the book it is a great primary first hand account of one woman and one family her perspective. Important as it is a group I never heard from great for anthropology student or student in the history and philosophy of religion from a sociology lens. It is theology gone wild where one man is the ultimate and only voice of god.
Bristol Book Blogger 📚📖📓Reviewed in the United Kingdom on January 14, 20185.0 out of 5 stars A great introduction
A brilliant introduction to the concept of patriarchal ideology, which includes case vignettes narrated by women living the complementarian/fundamentalist life present in the Quiverfull movement. Unfortunately much of what I read here is available online, and this title doesn't delve deeply enough into issues, but rather briefly explains them. I'd have preferred the author to have explored the concepts at greater length. However, there is enough here for anyone interested in gender inequality and it's relationship with theology to decide whether further evaluative research will be useful.
Other titles that explore these issues I have found helpful for my studies include:
Biblical Manhood and Womanhood
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Gender, Sex & Subordination in England 1500-1800
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JuneBugReviewed in Canada on February 9, 20191.0 out of 5 stars Save your money
Ridiculous absolute trash, I couldn't even finish reading it. The story line was like watching cold molasses run uphill in the middle of winter...slow and painful.
NegomiReviewed in the United Kingdom on July 8, 20144.0 out of 5 stars Fascinating
Fascinating book especially as someone with no personal connections to the movement, but who is interested in that mindset.
Four stars instead of five, because the information is slightly too dense, though all of it is interesting.
Long term customerReviewed in the United Kingdom on December 8, 20175.0 out of 5 stars Five Stars
Interesting read
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