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Telling lies for God: Reason vs creationism Paperback – January 1, 1994

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Random House Australia
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January 1, 1994
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009182852X
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Publisher ‏ : ‎ Random House Australia (January 1, 1994)
Language ‏ : ‎ English
Paperback ‏ : ‎ 303 pages
ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 009182852X
ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-0091828523
Item Weight ‏ : ‎ 1.02 pounds

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William P. Palmer

Telling Lies for God: Reason vs Creationism: is an unbiased review possible?

Reviewed in the United States on March 13, 2011

Review of 'Telling Lies for God: Reason vs Creationism' by Ian Plimer. Milsons Point, NSW: Random House, Australia, Pty Ltd, (1995). (Revised)

Reviewed by W. P. Palmer.

This book is being reviewed for science teachers, particularly for those who feel that one day they may be prevented from explaining the truth about evolution. It is an account of Dr Ian Plimer's battle with the group who are called 'the creationists' and explains why he rejects their views on evolution.

Dr Plimer makes an extremely strong case for rejecting the view that the earth is about 6000 years old. In particular he attacks the views of the 'Creation Science Foundation', who might wish to impose their views on those teaching evolution in their science classes, so the debate has relevance to science teachers.

It is an easily readable simple book and generally provides correct science, though it contains several errors as other reviewers correctly point out; unfortunately it will not convince partisans on either side of the debate. Perhaps no book could!

ADDENDUM: Dr Plimer disrupted meetings where creationists held the stage and eventually took them to court. He lost and had to pay total costs of $0.5 million. Wikipedia gives a fuller account of this case.

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gjc

A little fact checking goes a long way

Reviewed in the United States on January 18, 2005

I read this book within about a year after it was published. It was one of my first introductions to the other side of the debate about the truth (or otherwise) of Noah's flood.

Two arguments I found particularly compelling, so I went and checked the facts. 1. The dimensions of the Ark and the number of known species are completely mathematically incompatible. If the Ark was built to the dimensions in the Bible the few people on board would have to move so fast to feed the animals that the friction from their feet would ignite the floor (not that they could fit in all the animals or their food). Checking my Bible, standard measurement conversions, and checking with a population biologist and a physicist I believe Plimer's argument is factually accurate. 2. Had there been such a flood, the amount of silt in the water would have killed all sea life, so they would have to be in tanks on the Ark (as if it wasn't already impossible to fit in all the animals and their food). Looking at the color of the water in the 2004 South East Asian Tsunami's you can see with your own eyes that this is correct. But, even before then, the hydrologists and soil scientist I talked to confirmed this.

Read this book with an open mind. Just because one myth in the Bible's old testiment is just that, a myth, it doesn't make the basic message of compassion for your fellow human beings that Jesus delivered any less true. Compassionate ethics drawn from Christianity and factual science are compatible - even if scientific evidence does not warrent any belief in the supernatural.

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Stephen Parker

A very important book

Reviewed in the United States on April 30, 2001

Although I am an avowed atheist, I feel I have no right to attack the beliefs of others. That is, until they try and force those beliefs on myself, or insinuate them into societal structures. The Creationist push to alter the teaching of science in school is just such an example, and books like this are important in the battle to prevent beliefs and illogical ideas being taught as fact to an audience that is not yet equiped to determine one from the other.
Plimer is right in his stance that tolerance is not an effective counter to organisations that will actively lie and mislead to support their message, and more aggressive tactics are required. His arguments may lack subtlety and restraint, but his targets do not require it, and quite frankly, do not deserve it.
Because creationism is such a hollow argument, his opponents' arguments and tactics are often set up for a pummelling. However, if intellectual bloodsports are your cup of tea, you will be a most enthusiastic spectator.
An important note: This book is not anti-Christian, and does not attack moderate religious beliefs in any way. It is an attack on those that are using active fraud and self-delusion to push an agenda that is dangerous to the freedoms of society and the intellectual development of our youth.

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Michael Johnson

A Good read. The best defence is a good offence.

Reviewed in the United States on March 7, 2006

I have read this book several times now, after being loaned various creation books. I was astounded this kind of book needed to be written, i thought it was accepted scientific fact the Earth was some 4.5billion years old and all life evolved from simpler organisms (I was wrong). The book exposes the lying and deceitfull tactics used by creationists. I won't go into the details you can read it for yourself (after reading The anwsers book among others that were given to me to read this book is like a breath of fresh air, a better title may have been Sanity Vs Insanity for that is the creationist argument.

Also take note of some of the negative reviews on this page. The book is highly one sided and does not hold anything back. Basically it lacks manners and dosn't hold any punches. But given the argument its excuseable. 23 Letters of the alphabet (he was talking about the 23 letters in the phrase "Methinks it is like a weasel" a line from Hamlet not the alphabet. The use of Uranium 238 which is not directly used in nuclear reactors no U238 when bombarded with nuetrons becomes U239 an unstable element which decays into Neptunium 239 itself unstable with a half life of 2.355 days and decays into Plutonium 239 which is used to Power reactors.

("In a nuclear reactor, uranium-238 can be used to breed plutonium, which itself can be used in a nuclear weapon or as a reactor fuel source. In fact, in a typical nuclear reactor, up to a third of the generated power does come from the fission of Plutonium-239 (not supplied as a fuel to the reactor, but transmuted from uranium-238)." [...])

You can research the rest of this reviewers biased and innacurate review yourself. Ultimatley this books asks you to think for yourself you read it you research it and YOU DECIDE!.

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