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The Goliath Stone

The Goliath Stone

byLarry Niven
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Joanne B. Dow
5.0 out of 5 starsIf you understand science and have a rich sense of humor, BUY THIS BOOK.
Reviewed in the United States on December 18, 2017
There are several things which can be said about "The Goliath Stone."

First, if you have a deficient sense of humor or no appreciation of science, don't buy it.

Second, the higher your IQ the more you are likely to enjoy the story.

Third, the higher your FQ, Fannish Quotient, the more you will get out of this story, especially if your FQ involves intimate knowledge of Los Angeles fandom.

Fourth, the higher your HQ, Humor Quotient, the more you will like this story. Do expect puns and a few dogs with a long case of the shaggies.

Fifth, very little suspension of disbelief is required if you have some honest knowledge of nanotechnology and the makerbots concept.

Sixth, it is NOT a Niven story with the scenic scope of Ring World or the Shipstar stories. The scope is smaller. (Pun intended.) The story runs away with you rather than the setting almost overwhelming the story. (Not that the latter is always a bad thing. With a Niven story that's emphatically the case.)

Be willing to be entertained. Be willing to laugh and chuckle, often. Be willing to pause briefly to think about what you just read. All this will help you get through the story feeling like you got more than your money's worth out of it. And it has, one might say, a cast of trillions. So if you have a rich sense of humor and some appreciation of the scientific setting, go for it. You'll probably come away satisfied. For some this might be a lunch. For others it's a five course gourmet dinner. I kind of got lost at the third course level. I've gafiated too long now.

Of course it's five stars. It's actually maybe closer to 4.75. But, whose quibbling about that?

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Richard Ballard
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3.0 out of 5 starsMy skepticism about nanobot potential distracted me from enjoying this novel
Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2018
Some of the other reviews IMO treat The Goliath Stone like brussel sprouts: "Just enjoy it; it's good for you." This well-written novel tells a good tale, yet the novel's tone often reminds me of Robert Heinlein's classic novel Stranger in a Strange Land. Much of this novel revolves around nanobot potential capabilities achieved through both clustering and evolution. Nanobots are extremely small constructs (smaller than most biological cells) that are manufactured to perform a specific function often related to their chemical catalytic properties; in the foreseeable future, nanobots are not self-replicating and they are not cybernetically reprogrammable. Yet the novel's Briareus Project nanobots are both self-replicating and self-aware (essentially alive); through clustering they develop intelligence (a repetition of the Gw'oth clustering emergence discussed in Betrayer of Worlds: Prelude to Ringworld (Known Space)), redesign themselves to be smaller (resource conservation), absorb all technical knowledge incorporated within the Briareus Project probe's construction, and then continue evolving mentally (including achieving free will) while learning about human society by monitoring Earth broadcast media. Simultaneously, William Connors back on Earth has developed nanobots sufficiently advanced that they can act based upon their evaluation of an individual human's ethics. (I.e., deus ex nano-machina. Ponder that the next time you enjoy yogurt containing active cultures instead of your brussel sprouts.)

Suspending disbelief is good and appropriate when reading science fiction, but again (as in Betrayer Of Worlds) I cannot credence the organism's claimed capabilities. The clustered nanobots become remarkably brilliant and quick in their thinking and their physical actions, yet the nanobots are smaller than biological cells, and plants / animals (e.g., weeds / insects) are mentally- and physically-unremarkable cell clusters. And my skepticism about nanobot potential distracted me from enjoying this novel.
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Joanne B. Dow
5.0 out of 5 stars If you understand science and have a rich sense of humor, BUY THIS BOOK.
Reviewed in the United States on December 18, 2017
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There are several things which can be said about "The Goliath Stone."

First, if you have a deficient sense of humor or no appreciation of science, don't buy it.

Second, the higher your IQ the more you are likely to enjoy the story.

Third, the higher your FQ, Fannish Quotient, the more you will get out of this story, especially if your FQ involves intimate knowledge of Los Angeles fandom.

Fourth, the higher your HQ, Humor Quotient, the more you will like this story. Do expect puns and a few dogs with a long case of the shaggies.

Fifth, very little suspension of disbelief is required if you have some honest knowledge of nanotechnology and the makerbots concept.

Sixth, it is NOT a Niven story with the scenic scope of Ring World or the Shipstar stories. The scope is smaller. (Pun intended.) The story runs away with you rather than the setting almost overwhelming the story. (Not that the latter is always a bad thing. With a Niven story that's emphatically the case.)

Be willing to be entertained. Be willing to laugh and chuckle, often. Be willing to pause briefly to think about what you just read. All this will help you get through the story feeling like you got more than your money's worth out of it. And it has, one might say, a cast of trillions. So if you have a rich sense of humor and some appreciation of the scientific setting, go for it. You'll probably come away satisfied. For some this might be a lunch. For others it's a five course gourmet dinner. I kind of got lost at the third course level. I've gafiated too long now.

Of course it's five stars. It's actually maybe closer to 4.75. But, whose quibbling about that?

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4.0 out of 5 stars Interesting but not Niven's best
Reviewed in the United States on April 5, 2014
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I've been reading Niven's work since the 1970s when he first began to make a name for himself. I have always been a devoted fan and recommend his works whenever I have the opportunity. I try to reread his works from time to time to keep myself reminded of what drew me to him when I was a young man. I also reread favorite authors for two other reasons. First, to reevaluate how an author matured over time, an insightful and enjoyable task. Second, to reevaluate how I have changed as a reader as I became better educated and matured both personally and professionally (my background is in physics and aerospace). Overall, I would have to say that I much prefer his solo works to those with co-authors, though I can easily understand that collaborations bring new ideas and a different vigor.

Having said that, I feel this was a good read (Niven and co-authors always are) but not one of his best. This work was characterized by two features I found somewhat annoying. In recent years, some of his works seem to be most accessible by folks who live at SF and fantasy conventions: slang, memes, conversational devices are redolent of hanging out in the somewhat closed crowd of that fandom. (I used to live at local SF cons, too.) On the positive side this lends to the language and conventions peculiar to people in a particular community of thought, which gives the novel an atmosphere unique to that crowd. But it limits accessibility a bit, which I normally find puts me off (I live in Washington, DC, so I learn to get over things like that). None of this kept me from my usual enjoyment of new ideas or old ones put in a different light. And Niven's works are nearly always rich with that.

The other feature that disappointed me (perhaps I demand too much of my favorite authors) is that the novel seemed less deeply or richly developed than what I think of as his better works. Among his better recent works are the Fleet of Worlds novels, carrying forward a set of rich ideas he began more than thirty years ago. (No, I'm not one of the Known Space addicts who can't understand any other construct, but I certainly understand its fascination.) I felt the "bad guys" (most of Earth's governments or their substitutes) were a little too stereotyped. Their fears and ignorances (that word should always be plural) were not as well developed as I know Niven is capable of characterizing. The protagonists, similarly, were too much like one another, though Yellowhorse is perhaps unique in Niven's work. Yellowhorse, I think, really deserved much more development though I realize it's supremely difficult to properly describe the mind of someone that complex. (Was Yellowhorse really a plot shortcut to substitute for lots of other characters so the plot could be kept moving? Again, Niven makes me think!).

Again, overall a good but not excellent read. Given the abrupt ending, perhaps we could hope for a rewrite one day but I really don't think that is Larry Niven's style. Instead I'm prepared to hope for a sequel that fills in a few spots and satisfies the teasers suggested in the closing chapters. This could easily be the beginning of a new kind of Known Space.

Would I recommend this book? Absolutely yes.
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D Keith Howington
5.0 out of 5 stars A high-tech romp with big ideas, served with sly humor
Reviewed in the United States on July 15, 2013
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An enjoyable, high-tech romp, written with an abundance of big ideas and served in the humorous vein of  Fallen Angels . Mssrs. Niven and Harrington have created a world in which nanotechnology is just starting to have an impact, but what an impact it is! And their world-building is not limited to the planet Earth.

Beyond the story, which had much room to expand past the confines of the portion told here, one cannot help but think about the world that Harrington and Niven have described as the changes are fully realized. It is a thought both inspiring and disturbing. Some aspects are perhaps too ambitious to contemplate with today's science, but others are directly presaged by current work. And to the extent that our future goes that way, much of our world, and even we ourselves, will be unrecognizable.

The tone of the book is relatively light, despite the potential impact, literally, of the events described. In-jokes and sly humor are featured in abundance, particularly early on as the backstories and relationships are being developed. Some aspects of the plot seem unlikely indeed, but this piece is intentionally exploring many boundaries.

This is not a deep-drafting vessel for exploring philosophical issues, though many are touched on. It's more of a light pleasure craft, skimming over an amazing series of events and providing pleasant recreation in the process. Fans of a number of other SF greats (particularly but not only Heinlein) will be rewarded, but that background knowledge is not crucial to enjoyment. And in fact, many pieces of classical literature and human culture get woven into the tapestry, offering threads entertaining to pursue in their own right.

I recommend 
The Goliath Stone  highly.
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Richard Ballard
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3.0 out of 5 stars My skepticism about nanobot potential distracted me from enjoying this novel
Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2018
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Some of the other reviews IMO treat The Goliath Stone like brussel sprouts: "Just enjoy it; it's good for you." This well-written novel tells a good tale, yet the novel's tone often reminds me of Robert Heinlein's classic novel  Stranger in a Strange Land . Much of this novel revolves around nanobot potential capabilities achieved through both clustering and evolution. Nanobots are extremely small constructs (smaller than most biological cells) that are manufactured to perform a specific function often related to their chemical catalytic properties; in the foreseeable future, nanobots are not self-replicating and they are not cybernetically reprogrammable. Yet the novel's Briareus Project nanobots are both self-replicating and self-aware (essentially alive); through clustering they develop intelligence (a repetition of the Gw'oth clustering emergence discussed in  Betrayer of Worlds: Prelude to Ringworld (Known Space) ), redesign themselves to be smaller (resource conservation), absorb all technical knowledge incorporated within the Briareus Project probe's construction, and then continue evolving mentally (including achieving free will) while learning about human society by monitoring Earth broadcast media. Simultaneously, William Connors back on Earth has developed nanobots sufficiently advanced that they can act based upon their evaluation of an individual human's ethics. (I.e., deus ex nano-machina. Ponder that the next time you enjoy yogurt containing active cultures instead of your brussel sprouts.)

Suspending disbelief is good and appropriate when reading science fiction, but again (as in Betrayer Of Worlds) I cannot credence the organism's claimed capabilities. The clustered nanobots become remarkably brilliant and quick in their thinking and their physical actions, yet the nanobots are smaller than biological cells, and plants / animals (e.g., weeds / insects) are mentally- and physically-unremarkable cell clusters. And my skepticism about nanobot potential distracted me from enjoying this novel.
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Rick O
4.0 out of 5 stars It's 2051 and a 'dinosaur killer' asteroid is heading for earth.
Reviewed in the United States on July 9, 2013
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It's 2051 and a `dinosaur killer' asteroid is heading for earth. Is this the same asteroid that the Watchstar people sent a rocket with nanotechnology into outer space to meet twenty-five years ago? The craft's mission was to bring the asteroid into earth's orbit for mining purposes. But when the nanobots reached the asteroid, they were never heard from again. Welcome to the world of confusion. By that I mean it's a world of: nanorobotics ( bots ) killing, or curing people; a political world that is too muddled to understand ( at least for me ); indian tribes are now the dominating athletes and intelligencia of the world; and people who could have been someone else before they had bots put into their system. I've read many of Larry Niven's books, and this is the first time that I didn't understand every concept. Is it his writing partner, Matthew Joseph Harrington's fault? By the way, why do all these sci-fi writers take on partners? This book gave me a dose of author Vernor Vinge's addling thoughts. I did like the book, but didn't like having to refer to Wikipedia for scientific lucidity. Also as usual, Niven gets away with having way too many named characters by having a `cast and crew' list in front of the novel. How about 51 notable personage, including the three main bot entities.

When The Briareus Project failed to bring back an asteroid into earth's orbit for industrial mining, the company dissolved. However the main nano engineer, Dr. Toby Glyer, switched gears and became a physician in Switzerland who cures ailments with bots. Rocket scientist and test pilot May Wyndham is a patient/lover of Toby's. They live in a world similar to Ayn Rand's John Galt in 'Atlas Shrugged' . By that I mean they live in their own world with intellectuals who have given up on world politics and squabbles. The leader of The Joint Negotiating Alliance of Indian Affairs ( JNAIT ), Mycroft Yellowhorse, is in Toby's circle of friends. His group is now recognized by most of the world as a nation, having their own currency and stamps. He is joined by a disillusioned and fired Department of Homeland Security analyst, Alice Johnson. These four will arrive in Ecuador against the backdrop of the Olympics ( the Indians filled with bots are dominating ) to figure out how to stop the 200 billion ton asteroid travelling at four miles per second and guided by nanorobotics.

Meanwhile China tries to stop the asteroid with catastrophic results ( you will have to read the novel to find out what happened ). Now it's a race between the U.S.A. and the JNAIT to see who can build a spaceplane capable of stopping the asteroid. Both nations have good reasons to get there first. Meanwhile, the bots on the asteroid are watching all this transpire with their huge bot-made telescope! The second half of the novel is filled with tension and new developments. Like Niven's 'Footfall' , this is where he earns his reputation as one of sci-fi's foremost authors. Whereas I might have been a little discombobulated with some of the scientific premises of the novel, It's still classic Larry Niven and highly recommendable.
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Hank B.
5.0 out of 5 stars Unusual, Different and Very Interesting!
Reviewed in the United States on March 6, 2014
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The style and execution of this story line is uncommon and very different in its presentation.

They created a situation both comical and a play on all of the Sci/fi theories plausible and ridiculous while keeping it interesting

After saying this I found the premise and delivery of the story fun, intriguing, unusual and captivating.

The characters are mellow and surreal, believable but intentionally not believable, they fit perfectly into the plot.

Using references to past Sci/Fi Book Author's Names and tongue in cheek story quotes add a bit of a memory challenge for the reader imagination and recall.

Not the standard fare when it comes to a Sci/Fi presentation.

Larry Niven and Partner have created a nice, easy reading and well rounded plot.

Not your usual book but I thoroughly enjoyed reading his current endeavor given to us for our pleasure.
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2.0 out of 5 stars A mediocre comedy monologue delivered by multiple character puppets
Reviewed in the United States on April 21, 2014
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Don't take this tale seriously and you"ll be fine, if a little annoyed at what you paid for it. The tongue in cheek wit has similarities to some of Larry Niven's early short stories (The Hole Man) and his speculations on what pivotal technology breakthroughs and breakdowns can do to society (Ringworld in particular). With few exceptions, the early Niven characters were very simple constructs, but even they reflected on and were bothered by the impacts drastic technology changes would have on humanity. The Goliath Stone has no such depth and goes off the deep end postulating a new technology that makes mind control and mass assassination easy and simple to do for the benevolent super-genius that invented it. Because the inventor is a poor, formerly abused disabled person and a really witty nice guy, the implication is that it's really OK. There is zero realization that this is the ultimate form of repressive, murderous dictatorship - exactly what the super-genius hates most. Characters are so similar to each other, good and bad guys both, that they often finish each others thoughts. Basically sock puppets for the monologue. Extreme hero worship of period (i.e. old and dead) SiFi authors is laced throughout, crediting them as a higher class of writer responsible for most great philosophy and as inventors of great technology. This is probably the second best best ironic humor in the story, which give you an idea of the caliber of this satire (at least, I THINK its a satire). The first best is when one sock puppet character explains to another (woman) how romance novels all have the same basic formula and characters, cloaked in different contexts (some truth here). Of course, The Goliath Stone is about an imminent asteroid collision with Earth (THAT is getting old, in SF), corrupt politicians, super geniuses - in short all the most stereotypical characters in the most stereotypical situations found in SiFi. Hmmm. Kind of like a romance novel. IMHO these characteristics seem to be Harrington's influence and are a little too ripe for Niven by himself. Overall, its a slightly funny quick read for a slow Sunday afternoon - but most jokes elicit a groan rather than a chuckle - even for someone who gets the 40+ year old references. And while I strongly respect Niven and Harrington's approach to digital content protection and the statement this makes, this book was not worth the price I paid - FMV is probably about three or four bucks. They'd make a better statement by selling it for what it's worth.
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5.0 out of 5 stars Superb, but not for everyone.
Reviewed in the United States on August 24, 2013
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I can understand the sometimes low ratings... liberals are offended by viewpoints that contradict their own. There's plenty of that here.... swipes at global warming, political correctness, self serving politicians who claim the public good and others... along with some great quotes. Conservatives don't escape either, but as one author noted, they're more likely to have a sense of humor. Also, I enjoyed the tight conversation, with numerous 'in jokes' relating to science fiction. A reader since the 40's, I still had to track many of them to figure the dialogue out... part of the fun. And, along the way, I picked up a number of new insights into the field of serious fandom. It's satire, it's funny, it's erudite. And along the way, there are many thoughtful comments on the human condition. I found it one of Niven's best, and I've read all of them.
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1.0 out of 5 stars Unworthy of Larry Niven
Reviewed in the United States on July 1, 2013
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I'm going to reiterate what was said earlier: (1) this book is full of knee-jerk political positions and (2) there is no real conflict.

Ringworld was a classic- it showed us something we hadn't seen before. Known Space in general was fun and interesting. Building Harlequin's Moon combined incredible technological power with serious moral dilemma and character development. Lucifer's Hammer similarly has good character development, and also proves Niven can write in the near-term "real" world.

None of that was present in this book. There's no character development- things just happen to the people the reader happens to follow. It turns into a book about poorly executed deus ex machina. There is no moral quandary, ever, for any of the characters, because at least one of them is immortal and basically omniscient, can raise people from the dead, and utterly assured of his own decisions and path without having to fear the consequences of being wrong.

The authors created a meddling nano-mechanical transhuman god, and seem to present him as the harbinger of a libertarian golden age. However, despite all the references to Heinlein, and the praise of libertarian voters (while ignoring the existence crazies that shroud their extremist beliefs in libertarianism), the reality of this novel is that the authors created a world where there is no option to be bad, where mass murder of "offenders" is sanctioned, and where one man has made himself some sort of benevolent dictator that can read minds. Oh, and he's interfered with women's biology without their consent. In short, a substantial part of free will has been destroyed in this "libertarian" paradise, and thus so has moral heroism. (Seriously, you want to talk good libertarian speculative fiction, look at Ken MacCleod or Ursula Le Guin.)

That interference could be read as misogynistic, but I'm willing to give it a pass as being just sloppily executed. (Seriously, contrast this to The Dispossessed). The consistent "Moslem" bashing, however, probably should have been rethought during editing. And maybe the "redskin" thing.

In short, there is a lot to hate about this book, and not a lot to like. The premise itself was interesting, but it was bungled in the execution. And the description is misleading- for all that the blurb says this is supposed to be about nanomachines going rouge, getting sapient, and coming back to earth to change things, the reality is that nothing really happens with them. They're just there.

It's silly, it's poorly written, and self indulgent, in part for the terrible self-congratulatory references to other sci-fi writers throughout the book, and mostly for one of the authors writing himself into it as a character who is intolerable, immortal, infallible and smug beyond words. I suspect the author I'm talking about is Harrington.

Regardless, this book is unworthy of having Larry Niven's name on it.
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2.0 out of 5 stars What happened to Larry Niven?
Reviewed in the United States on August 11, 2013
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I bought this book because Larry Niven is listed as a co-author (in larger print), and I have enjoyed his novels for 30 years. But the prose is overwhelmingly dominated by silly repartee, largely based on pop-culture (and occasionally literary) references -- all the while attempting to imply a very-high IQ on the part of both participants by skipping every other item (implying anyone smart would fill in the missing parts exactly the same way the author did), but instead coming across more like a TV game show, where the measure of intelligence is how many trivia one has mastered.

In addition, as others have noted, all the good guys have a strong libertarian bent -- which I wouldn't normally mind at all, being semi-inclined that way myself -- but this isn't just in dialog. It's also heavily represented in the third person omniscient interludes, which one longs for after slogging through the mind-numbing trivia-dialogs, so it comes across as a book-drenching polemic, unavoidable on pretty much every page. Global warming is apparently a big-government ploy to ensnare more people in big government, among many similar far-right-wing standard ploys.

What happened to Larry Niven? Sure, in the Ringworld series, there is very little big government and the interesting stuff happens because of the intelligence and enterprise of innovative individuals rather than nation-states. But to me this novel has very little of that Niven character, though perhaps (hopefully) he at least contributed to the large-picture bits about nanotechnology and the space and asteroid parts. Has Niven deserted his readership?

I started this review with a single star, but am raising it to two solely out of respect for Larry Niven -- may he return to us while he still can -- not based on the content of this book itself.
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