- File Size: 1080 KB
- Print Length: 196 pages
- Publisher: Matthias Media (April 2, 2012)
- Publication Date: April 2, 2012
- Sold by: Amazon Digital Services LLC
- Language: English
- ASIN: B007R0P4LG
- Text-to-Speech: Enabled
- Word Wise: Enabled
- Lending: Enabled
- Amazon Best Sellers Rank: #92,285 Paid in Kindle Store (See Top 100 Paid in Kindle Store)
The Trellis and the Vine Kindle Edition
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My first impression was "Welcome to the conversation - a little late, but welcome nonetheless." What Marshall and Payne have written about here has been written about many, many times in the past 10 years or so, mainly by Emergent type folk.
A lot of their suggestions and conclusions have already been suggested and concluded in various books about church ministry. What Marshall and Payne do here is articulate it through a very biblical framework - more so than other books - as well as offer a concrete way of doing church differently, and that is what makes the book good.
Their fundamental point is simple - yet transformational if churches understood it - Disciple making should be the normal agenda and priority of every church AND every Christian disciple.
EVERY Christian's focus should be to BE a disciple and to MAKE disciples and Churches and pastors are meant to be facilitating that process.
This requires a shift of focus for churches and ministries. Early on in the book they give 11 such shifts that must take place:
1. From running programs to building people
2. From running events to training people
3. From using people to growing people (huge shift away from church `volunteers')
4. From filling gaps to training new workers
5. From solving problems to helping people make progress
6. From clinging to ordained ministry to developing team leadership
7. From Focusing on Church polity to forging ministry partnerships
8. From relying on training institutions to establishing local training
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The trellis represents the structure of a church including "management, finances, infrastructure, organization, governance." The vine represents gospel growth that grows around the trellis such as "planting, watering, fertilizing, and tending." (8) Very often trellis work can take over vine work since it tends to be easier see and to figure out what needs to be done. Vine work can be tougher to discern just what needs to be done and exactly how to do it.
This book tackles the aspect of vine work. The reader is moved from thinking of the church as an institution into a personal, intentional and relational understanding. The barriers of trellis thinking are broached and broken down without being dismissed. The authors attempt to get the readers thinking about vine work.
The authors explain the reasons for vine work and gives examples of how it can be done. They explain what vine work training might look like and encourage every church member to be involved. A chart of "gospel growth stages" is given using seven example people that one might find in their church. Those stages consist of outreach, follow-up, growth and training. (86-87) This is an example of one of the tools offered.
A particularly interesting chapter is Why Sunday sermons are necessary but not sufficient. The authors lay out two stereotypes of church ministry - Pastor as clergyman and Pastor as CEO. (98) Every person will probably be able to see some aspect of these stereotypes in their churches. The authors offer a another way which is the pastor as trainer.Read more ›
My favorite chapter was chapter 6. Here they clarified their concept of training. They took a compare and contrast concept of what does our culture or the English language say "training" is verses what does the Bible say that "training" is. It is different. I very much appreciated their concept of relational training verses technical or formal training. Here are some of their thoughts from the chapter that really stood out to me;
1. The heart of training is not to impart a skill, but to impart sound doctrine.
2. The apostle Paul wanted his students to imitate not only his doctrine but his way of life. Paul never abstracts ethics from doctrine, because a right understanding of the gospel always leads to a changed life.
3. The Pauline model of ministry training is that it looks a lot like parenthood. It begins as someone is instrumental in bringing someone else to new birth. It is long term and loving. It includes passing on knowledge, wisdom and practical instruction. It involves modeling and imitation. It forms not only beliefs and abilities, but also character and lifestyle.
These are just a few of their thoughts.Read more ›
Most Recent Customer Reviews
Our elders worked thru this book over several session meetings it was very informative and for some changed their outlook on how elders should interface with the congregationPublished 1 month ago by Dale
Great book on the growth and functioning of the local church.Published 6 months ago by Amazon Customer
This book will change the way you view ministry, yourself, and ultimately God.Published 12 months ago by brad_merchnt
I do not feel the need to have the "cute"imagery of a trellis and a vine to get the concept of how we need to grow in the church. Read morePublished 13 months ago by zunbrown
This book was full of good insight on keeping the mission of taking the Gospel to the world as our priority. Read morePublished 13 months ago by Terry J Jorgenson