Triumph Forsaken: The Vietnam War, 1954–1965 Illustrated Edition
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Drawing on a wealth of new evidence from all sides, Triumph Forsaken overturns most of the historical orthodoxy on the Vietnam War. Through the analysis of international perceptions and power, it shows that South Vietnam was a vital interest of the United States. The book provides many new insights into the overthrow of Ngo Dinh Diem in 1963 and demonstrates that the coup negated the South Vietnamese government's tremendous, and hitherto unappreciated, military and political gains between 1954 and 1963. After Diem's assassination, President Lyndon Johnson had at his disposal several aggressive policy options that could have enabled South Vietnam to continue the war without a massive US troop infusion, but he ruled out these options because of faulty assumptions and inadequate intelligence, making such an infusion the only means of saving the country.
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"Thoroughly researched and richly informative....A valuable appraisal."
- Booklist
"A radically revisionist account of America's policy in Vietnam during the years before combat troops were introduced. Based largely on archival sources and Communist histories of the war, this highly provocative work attacks virtually every aspect of what Moyar calls the 'orthodox' historical interpretations of the war."
- Library Journal
"This first installment in a two-volume project may well become the preeminent work in [revisionist history]…Moyar, who has strong credentials (a Cambridge PhD), has an engaging writing style and supports his arguments with dispassionate research… Highly recommended." - Choice
"A revisionist history that challenges the notion that U.S. involvement in Vietnam was misguided; defends the validity of the domino theory and disputes the notion that Ho Chi Minh was, at heart, a nationalist who would eventually turn against his Communist Chinese allies."
- Chronicle of Higher Education
"...this is an important book, a history that serves as a mirror on the present."
- Wall Street Journal
"The book is meticulously documented; it draws on the substantial U.S. documentary record of the war, bringing fresh perspectives to familiar evidence. Moyar augments and supports his analysis with extensive use of North Vietnamese archival material, most of which was unavailable to the orthodox historians of the 1970s and 80s. In sum, Triumph Forsaken is an important book...."
- National Review
"A brilliant young scholar with a Cambridge doctorate who is currently teaching at the Marine Corps University in Quantico, Moyar is representative of a small but increasingly influential revisionist school that rejects the fundamental orthodox premise that America's involvement in Vietnam was wrongheaded and unjust.... No review can do full justice to this critically important book. Triumph Forsaken is meticulously documented and bold in its interpretation of the record. Even orthodox historians will be forced to acknowledge the magnitude of Moyar's scholarly achievement. It should, at the least, reopen the debate about America's Vietnam enterprise, reminding us that countries are not destined to win or lose wars. Victory or defeat depends on decisions actually made and strategies actually implemented."
- Weekly Standard, Mackubin Thomas Owens
"Orthodox Vietnam historians, Moyar writes, tend to dismiss revisionists as politically motivated, since the issues surrounding the war, in their view, have long since been settled… Triumph Forsaken throws down a mighty challenge to orthodox historians; they should engage Moyar instead of ignoring him. As they ought to know, truth is its own reward, but it can also be damn practical."
- The American Spectator, Paul Beston
"...impressive and scrupulously researched revisionist history....Moyar's controversial investigation will be challenged by many of the well-respected scholars he confronts in his authoritative account, which elevates the arguments of Vietnam War revisionists to a higher, more respected, level."
- ForeWord
"...[Moyar] has done extensive and careful research in newly available primary sources such as North Vietnamese histories of the conflict. The result is a valuable revisionist study that rejects much of the conventional wisdom about our early involvement in the conflict."
- New York Sun, Guenter Lewy
"[Moyar's] is a complex and well-written account that set the bar high for scholarship. It is essential reading for anyone wanting a fresh understanding of one of America's longest and misunderstood conflicts."
- Marine Corp Gazette
"Moyar's work is an excellent modern read on the Viet-Nam War."
- Military
"The well-researched analysis of policies runs deep, but there's also military analysis and accounts of important military action. This is revisionist history at its best."
-Christian Nelson, VietNow
“Moyar is a fine writer and switches from broad strategic and geopolitical issues to heart-gripping accounts of key military actions…Today’s military leaders and policy-makers would do well to ponder this book.”
- Leatherneck
"The most noteworthy aspect of Triumph Forsaken is surely the depth and range of its research… Taking him at his word – that he set out to redo the history of the war on the basis of primary sources ‘rather than another’s filtration and interpretation’ of them – Moyar has provided those who take their history seriously with a stunning performance, and plenty to think about.”
- Times Literary Supplement
"I know of no scholar more dedicated to bringing a thorough and accurate portrayal of America's involvement in Vietnam than Mark Moyar. Everyone who is interested in a full picture of that oftmisunderstood war should be grateful for his effort."
- James Webb, Marine combat veteran, author of Fields of Fire and Born Fighting
- Booklist
"A radically revisionist account of America's policy in Vietnam during the years before combat troops were introduced. Based largely on archival sources and Communist histories of the war, this highly provocative work attacks virtually every aspect of what Moyar calls the 'orthodox' historical interpretations of the war."
- Library Journal
"This first installment in a two-volume project may well become the preeminent work in [revisionist history]…Moyar, who has strong credentials (a Cambridge PhD), has an engaging writing style and supports his arguments with dispassionate research… Highly recommended." - Choice
"A revisionist history that challenges the notion that U.S. involvement in Vietnam was misguided; defends the validity of the domino theory and disputes the notion that Ho Chi Minh was, at heart, a nationalist who would eventually turn against his Communist Chinese allies."
- Chronicle of Higher Education
"...this is an important book, a history that serves as a mirror on the present."
- Wall Street Journal
"The book is meticulously documented; it draws on the substantial U.S. documentary record of the war, bringing fresh perspectives to familiar evidence. Moyar augments and supports his analysis with extensive use of North Vietnamese archival material, most of which was unavailable to the orthodox historians of the 1970s and 80s. In sum, Triumph Forsaken is an important book...."
- National Review
"A brilliant young scholar with a Cambridge doctorate who is currently teaching at the Marine Corps University in Quantico, Moyar is representative of a small but increasingly influential revisionist school that rejects the fundamental orthodox premise that America's involvement in Vietnam was wrongheaded and unjust.... No review can do full justice to this critically important book. Triumph Forsaken is meticulously documented and bold in its interpretation of the record. Even orthodox historians will be forced to acknowledge the magnitude of Moyar's scholarly achievement. It should, at the least, reopen the debate about America's Vietnam enterprise, reminding us that countries are not destined to win or lose wars. Victory or defeat depends on decisions actually made and strategies actually implemented."
- Weekly Standard, Mackubin Thomas Owens
"Orthodox Vietnam historians, Moyar writes, tend to dismiss revisionists as politically motivated, since the issues surrounding the war, in their view, have long since been settled… Triumph Forsaken throws down a mighty challenge to orthodox historians; they should engage Moyar instead of ignoring him. As they ought to know, truth is its own reward, but it can also be damn practical."
- The American Spectator, Paul Beston
"...impressive and scrupulously researched revisionist history....Moyar's controversial investigation will be challenged by many of the well-respected scholars he confronts in his authoritative account, which elevates the arguments of Vietnam War revisionists to a higher, more respected, level."
- ForeWord
"...[Moyar] has done extensive and careful research in newly available primary sources such as North Vietnamese histories of the conflict. The result is a valuable revisionist study that rejects much of the conventional wisdom about our early involvement in the conflict."
- New York Sun, Guenter Lewy
"[Moyar's] is a complex and well-written account that set the bar high for scholarship. It is essential reading for anyone wanting a fresh understanding of one of America's longest and misunderstood conflicts."
- Marine Corp Gazette
"Moyar's work is an excellent modern read on the Viet-Nam War."
- Military
"The well-researched analysis of policies runs deep, but there's also military analysis and accounts of important military action. This is revisionist history at its best."
-Christian Nelson, VietNow
“Moyar is a fine writer and switches from broad strategic and geopolitical issues to heart-gripping accounts of key military actions…Today’s military leaders and policy-makers would do well to ponder this book.”
- Leatherneck
"The most noteworthy aspect of Triumph Forsaken is surely the depth and range of its research… Taking him at his word – that he set out to redo the history of the war on the basis of primary sources ‘rather than another’s filtration and interpretation’ of them – Moyar has provided those who take their history seriously with a stunning performance, and plenty to think about.”
- Times Literary Supplement
"I know of no scholar more dedicated to bringing a thorough and accurate portrayal of America's involvement in Vietnam than Mark Moyar. Everyone who is interested in a full picture of that oftmisunderstood war should be grateful for his effort."
- James Webb, Marine combat veteran, author of Fields of Fire and Born Fighting
Book Description
Drawing on a wealth of evidence from all sides, this 2007 book overturns most of the historical orthodoxy on the Vietnam War.
Book Description
Drawing on a wealth of new evidence from all sides, Triumph Forsaken overturns most of the historical orthodoxy on the Vietnam War. The book provides many new insights into the overthrow of South Vietnamese President Ngo Dinh Diem and the policy options that could have enabled South Vietnam to continue the war without a massive U.S. troop infusion.
About the Author
Dr Mark Moyar is the Kim T. Adamson Chair of Insurgency and Terrorism at the US Marine Corps University. He holds a B.A. summa cum laude in history from Harvard University and a Ph.D. in history from Cambridge University. A frequent commentator on historical and current events, his articles have appeared in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, and many other publications. He is also the author of Phoenix and the Birds of Prey: Counterinsurgency and Counterterrorism in Vietnam.
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- Publisher : Cambridge University Press; Illustrated edition (March 2, 2009)
- Language : English
- Paperback : 552 pages
- ISBN-10 : 0521757630
- ISBN-13 : 978-0521757638
- Item Weight : 1.68 pounds
- Dimensions : 6.13 x 1.25 x 9.25 inches
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- #451 in Military History (Books)
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Reviewed in the United States on July 29, 2017
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This book is a most interesting analysis of the political-military history of the US intervention in Vietnam. It details the role of several reporters and their bosses efforts to distort and undermine the US Government efforts to secure US interests in the region. This book's footnotes are extensive and reflect the attention to detail the author conducted to research this subject. This will be THE SOURCE for scholars of tomorrow who seek to understand the road to Hell was paved with good intentions and defeated by a few members of the press and whiz kids who knew the numbers but nothing about fighting a war. Mark Moyar's research has surfaced a quite different evaluation of General Westmoreland and President Johnson.than that given by the press and the pseudo intellectual snobs that sought to destroy our government's efforts to promote and defend US strategic interests in the region. It also shows that attempting to fight a war in accordance with daily polling results can only have one result, and that is defeat. Most enjoyable and surprising is that this book of several hundred pages is compelling and readable throughout.
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Reviewed in the United States on February 3, 2018
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Moyar's book is a very well researched and well written revisionist history of the Vietnam War up to the point of large-scale US escalation in 1965. It is interesting that in the case of Vietnam, revisionism takes us back to earlier orthodox views - e.g., the threat from the North did threaten vital US interests, the cause of the South was just and had popular support, and the domino theory was a real and legitimate fear. I am not enough of an expert to reach a conclusion, but Moyar does a good job laying out his case with a detailed look at Vietnamese history prior to Western involvement and access to North Vietnamese documents. Two examples - First, he reexamines and disputes the claim that Ho and the North were simply patriots trying to reunite their country - they were committed international communists committed to spreading the revolution by any means necessary. Second, access the North Vietnamese records show that Ho successfully and actively worked with Vietnam's presumed "age-old nemesis" China (and the USSR). The US does come in for a fair amount of criticism here. Some of it familiar (the US led coup that ousted and killed Diem was a fiasco); some of it less so (a stronger intervention earlier and even the threat to use nuclear weapons may have been effective and prudent).
All in all, highly recommended even for the armchair historian like myself. I do not know if Moyar is working on the sequel covering1965-75, but if he is, I look forward to reading it.
All in all, highly recommended even for the armchair historian like myself. I do not know if Moyar is working on the sequel covering1965-75, but if he is, I look forward to reading it.
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A new scholarly history which includes new North Vietnamese sources. A different view of the VN war.
Reviewed in the United States on May 24, 2014Verified Purchase
For someone like me, who had two combat tours in VN as a Special Forces CO and a company CO in the 1st Cav in the Iadrang Valley, and who, therefore, developed an abiding interest in the history of the VN war and read lots of books as to why and how the war was fought this book came as a revelation. The author, a highly qualified historian, has written what readers might call a revisionist history of the war. So the old school writers, i.e, those raised on the writing s of Sheehan and Halberstam, might consider this book provocative or not factual. But, this is one of the most footnoted books that I have ever read with an extensive biography of sources. It, however, covers only the period 1954 to 1965. A subsequent volume, yet to be published covers the period when American ground forces arrived in strength.
What makes this book different is that until recently histories of the VN war were all based on American sources, but the author of this book has had access to many North Vietnamese documents and can challenge the conventional wisdom of an earlier day about what really happened in VN and how the North Vietnamese responded to our actions.
The book has created a conflict within me, someone who views himself as well read on the causes and nature of the war. Several of my assumptions may be wrong. Was Ho Chi Minh a true die hard communist or just forced into the arms of China by the Americans? Were the Chinese and Vietnamese natural enemies, or close collaborators? How successful was Ngo Dinh Diem as President of South VN?
How poor was our intelligence during the war? How much of the failure of US policy in VN can be attributed to internecine squabbling among the various US agencies involved in the war? And, importantly, how much of what was being reported by the American press were incorrect analysis that became self fulfilling prophecies back home?
I recommend the book highly to those interested in doing some heavy academic reading, but having an enlightening experience. It may even cause you to reconsider your views.
What makes this book different is that until recently histories of the VN war were all based on American sources, but the author of this book has had access to many North Vietnamese documents and can challenge the conventional wisdom of an earlier day about what really happened in VN and how the North Vietnamese responded to our actions.
The book has created a conflict within me, someone who views himself as well read on the causes and nature of the war. Several of my assumptions may be wrong. Was Ho Chi Minh a true die hard communist or just forced into the arms of China by the Americans? Were the Chinese and Vietnamese natural enemies, or close collaborators? How successful was Ngo Dinh Diem as President of South VN?
How poor was our intelligence during the war? How much of the failure of US policy in VN can be attributed to internecine squabbling among the various US agencies involved in the war? And, importantly, how much of what was being reported by the American press were incorrect analysis that became self fulfilling prophecies back home?
I recommend the book highly to those interested in doing some heavy academic reading, but having an enlightening experience. It may even cause you to reconsider your views.
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an excellent unbiased scientific exposition
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on May 9, 2021Verified Purchase
This monograph presents the research of the author in the most unbiased and scientific manner that I have encountered in recent years. Usually, books written after the 1970's express the opinions and prejudice of their authors who overwhelmingly attempt to either skew or blur reality and indoctrinate towards a single ideological pathway. The current monograph is a welcome exception to the attempts of certain extremely influential groups to falsify their research and to obscure reality.
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Turns your view on Vietnam on its head.
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on January 14, 2018Verified Purchase
Brilliant and contrary view of the Vietnam war in it's early years. An essential companion to the Ken Burns series, and shows how glibly the Burns account and other mainstream histories treat the Diem regime and his eventual murder.
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Provides an interesting, original and convincing new unorthodox historical interpretation of why the Vietnam War was lost.
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on June 20, 2013Verified Purchase
Before delving into historical literature surrounding the Vietnam War, I must confess my understanding of the conflict was largely shaped by the innumerable films Hollywood has churned out on the subject. However prior to reading Triumph Forsaken, I read The Tunnels of Cu Chi which did much to dispel many different myths surrounding the war and gave me a rudimentary understanding of the overall conflict in South Vietnam between the Viet Cong and Diem's forces. The impression I got from this book was that the South Vietnamese forces were both unwilling and incapable of dealing with the tunneling system, and by extension with the Vietcong. The view that Diem's government and armed forces were doomed to fail was constantly reinforced.
That's what made subsequently reading Moyar's work so fascinating. It challenges orthodox historical interpretations of the Vietnam War and uses a good range of American, South Vietnamese and North Vietnamese sources to back up its claims. I particularly admired the manner in which Moyar demonstrates how much of a negative impact the Western media had for the South Vietnamese war effort. The point that the war was lost at home in the States is one that has already been well made elsewhere. But the point that much of the media was misrepresentative of the war and based on a false Orientalist view of Vietnam seemed strikingly original and convincing.
The only relatively serious critique I can think of, is that I do not believe enough of the book is dedicated to explaining why some in the South Vietnamese population did decide to join the Viet Cong. The Viet Cong's ability to recruit a not insignificant minority of the population seems contradictory to the argument that the South Vietnamese people were indeed pro Diem, and his lack of support was largely a false media perception. Not to say it is ignored competely, but rather glossed over. Perhaps this is due to the desire of the author to support his key argument by failing to examine its potential weaknesses thoroughly? Or perhaps I am attaching too much importance to this point, but it is one I think is worth mentioning.
Despite that penultimate paragraph I'd like to make it clear this is in my opinion an excellent book, and I would recommend it to anyone looking for an unorthodox, but convincing interpretation of why the Vietnam War was lost. I am eagerly anticipating the next volume.
That's what made subsequently reading Moyar's work so fascinating. It challenges orthodox historical interpretations of the Vietnam War and uses a good range of American, South Vietnamese and North Vietnamese sources to back up its claims. I particularly admired the manner in which Moyar demonstrates how much of a negative impact the Western media had for the South Vietnamese war effort. The point that the war was lost at home in the States is one that has already been well made elsewhere. But the point that much of the media was misrepresentative of the war and based on a false Orientalist view of Vietnam seemed strikingly original and convincing.
The only relatively serious critique I can think of, is that I do not believe enough of the book is dedicated to explaining why some in the South Vietnamese population did decide to join the Viet Cong. The Viet Cong's ability to recruit a not insignificant minority of the population seems contradictory to the argument that the South Vietnamese people were indeed pro Diem, and his lack of support was largely a false media perception. Not to say it is ignored competely, but rather glossed over. Perhaps this is due to the desire of the author to support his key argument by failing to examine its potential weaknesses thoroughly? Or perhaps I am attaching too much importance to this point, but it is one I think is worth mentioning.
Despite that penultimate paragraph I'd like to make it clear this is in my opinion an excellent book, and I would recommend it to anyone looking for an unorthodox, but convincing interpretation of why the Vietnam War was lost. I am eagerly anticipating the next volume.
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