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What if racial reconciliation doesn't look like what you expected? The high-profile killings of young black men and women by white police officers, and the protests and violence that ensued, have convinced many white Christians to reexamine their intuitions when it comes to race and justice.

In this provocative book, theologian and blogger Drew G. I. Hart places police brutality, mass incarceration, anti-black stereotypes, poverty, and everyday acts of racism within the larger framework of white supremacy. He argues that white Christians have repeatedly gotten it wrong about race because dominant culture and white privilege have so thoroughly shaped their assumptions. He also challenges black Christians about neglecting the most vulnerable in their own communities. Leading readers toward Jesus, Hart offers concrete practices for churches that seek solidarity with the oppressed and are committed to racial justice.

What if all Christians listened to the stories of those on the racialized margins? How might the church be changed by the trouble they've seen?

"This book is a gift from the heart of one of the sharpest young theologians in the United States. Hold it carefully, and allow it to transform you--and our blood-stained streets."--Shane Claiborne, author of The Irresistible Revolution

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Trouble I've Seen makes it plain: in repenting of white supremacy, we have nothing to lose and everything to be liberated from. Hart refuses to silence two gospel scandals that cannot be separated: that in Christ, Pharaoh's armies are invited into the Promised Land, but the only way in is through the waters, where 'Pharaoh's supremacy' and his chariots are 'drown-ded.' This is the saving solidarity of Christ's cross."

--Jarrod McKenna "Reviews"

"Drew Hart is an emerging voice in the one of the most difficult conversations facing the church today--the reality and ongoing effects of white supremacy in American Christianity. He challenges the church to take a long, hard look at its complicity with the racism that still permeates our society and to be transformed in thought, word, and deed by the gospel of Jesus Christ. A provocative, powerful, and necessary book."

--John R. Franke "Reviews"

"Drew Hart makes a courageous and compelling call to the church to get on the road to racial reconciliation and righteousness. He provides practical insights and deep theological reflections in this challenging and necessary resource. You won't be comfortable with this read, but you will be led into the deep waters of the social dilemma and reality of the race matrix. In the end, there is an opportunity for the church to be a bridge over these troubled waters."

--Efrem Smith "Reviews"

"Drew Hart masterfully cuts through all the platitudes and good intentions to reach the fleshy, beating heart of true justice. An unforgettable read, Trouble I've Seen deserves the church's full attention and considered action. It certainly challenged and changed me."

--Rachel Held Evans "Reviews"

"In a critical moment of American history, Drew Hart has given us a book that is vital for the church. Trouble I've Seen captures the complexity of race in its systemic and personal consequences and points us to why race should be central to any Christian's life as a follower of Jesus. It is a book for people who are just beginning this journey and for those of us who need encouragement along the way."

--Brian Bantum "Reviews"

"In this raw, honest, truth-telling book, Drew Hart offers himself--his life, his story, his tears, his fire--in the most vulnerable way in the hopes of interrupting the vulgar disposability of black lives in our society. This book is a gift from the heart of one of the sharpest young theologians in this country. Hold it carefully, and allow it to transform you--and our blood-stained streets. Drew Hart's Trouble I've Seen is a memoir in the tradition of the blues...it is theological blues...and it will move you to do something about the ugly residue of racism that still haunts us."--Shane Claiborne, author of The Irresistible Revolution

--Shane Claiborne "Reviews"

"Reader, brace yourself! Trouble I've Seen, one of the best books I've encountered on race and Christian faith, will illuminate and challenge the assumptions that you don't even know you possess. I urge you to pay close attention to Drew Hart's eye-opening analysis."

--Christena Cleveland "Reviews"

In this emotionally wrenching yet accessible book, Hart--theologian and minister--provides an overview of the systemic racism that nonwhite people, particularly African-Americans, face in the U.S. today, as well as the responses of Bible-based Christian theology. Hart uses a mixture of personal anecdotes, research, and explications of Jesus's New Testament teachings to show that the church has not provided racial justice. Hart's voice is friendly and warm, despite the heaviness of the subject matter, and once the problem has been thoroughly outlined and dissected, he presents practical suggestions and a call to action for Christians. The book provides a notable amount of information given its relatively short page count. Though much of the material will be familiar to anyone who has read more extensively about racial justice or Jesus's approach to equality, the book has a savvy and balanced blend of the topics that should serve as a useful introduction for Christians of all races who haven't yet understood the full scope of the problem and been inspired to enact change.

--Publisher's Weekly "Reviews"

"Drew Hart has contributed to the growing literature on the Church and race relations. Part memoir, part social theory, and part theology, this is a wellrounded, accessible work that refuses to shy away from arguably the most important issue facing Evangelical churches today--their complicity with systemic racism."--Eric M Washington "Reviews"

Trouble I've Seen challenges us to lament our past, to recognize the depth of racism in ourselves and our churches, and to change our ways, beginning to move toward the rich fellowship that God intends for all people.--RELEVANT "Reviews"

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What if racial reconciliation doesn't look like what you expected? The high-profile killings of young black men and women by white police officers, and the protests and violence that ensued, have convinced many white Christians to reexamine their intuitions when it comes to race and justice.

In this provocative book, theologian and blogger Drew G. I. Hart places police brutality, mass incarceration, anti-black stereotypes, poverty, and everyday acts of racism within the larger framework of white supremacy. He argues that white Christians have repeatedly gotten it wrong about race because dominant culture and white privilege have so thoroughly shaped their assumptions. He also challenges black Christians about neglecting the most vulnerable in their own communities. Leading readers toward Jesus, Hart offers concrete practices for churches that seek solidarity with the oppressed and are committed to racial justice.

What if all Christians listened to the stories of those on the racialized margins? How might the church be changed by the trouble they've seen?

"This book is a gift from the heart of one of the sharpest young theologians in the United States. Hold it carefully, and allow it to transform you--and our blood-stained streets."--Shane Claiborne, author of The Irresistible Revolution

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  • Publisher ‏ : ‎ Herald Press (VA) (January 19, 2016)
  • Language ‏ : ‎ English
  • Paperback ‏ : ‎ 198 pages
  • ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 1513800000
  • ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-1513800004
  • Item Weight ‏ : ‎ 7.2 ounces
  • Dimensions ‏ : ‎ 5.4 x 0.6 x 8.4 inches
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Gracious, clear, helpful guidance for us to untangle racism in the church.
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Today I finished Drew Hart’s book Trouble I’ve Seen: Changing the Way the Church Views Racism. My reflection? Simply put, every Christian in America, at least every pastor, ought to read this work.Racism is a heavy topic. It feels divisive to many of us because it brings up deep discomfort, sometimes defensiveness, and feels so tangled and unsolvable. And yet, in a country whose power and wealth was built on stolen land and stolen labor, we must come to understand the role racism is currently playing in our lives and churches. (Oh, and if that previous sentence makes you feel defensive, or you react that I’m just some “woke white guy,” then you above all need to read this book. And if you’re unwilling to do so, perhaps wonder why that is. 198 pages of writing can’t hurt you. What is it about listening to a black guy talk about the black experience in American Christianity that is so threatening? And if you say you’re not threatened, fantastic! Click the link and buy the book)Drew starts with his own experience, but quickly leads us through the essentials of the conversation. Why we fight over the definition of racism, when and how the label “white” came to be, and why and how Christianity shifted from a “brown” religion to a “white” one. He also spends a considerable amount of time helping us see the role of socialization, and how it means that the intuition of the dominant group is automatically flawed when it comes to matters of justice. This was a hard pill to swallow, but Drew shows clearly how this happens, and gives historical examples that are impossible to ignore.But this is not just a book about racism, it is also very deeply a book about faith, Christianity and discipleship. All along the way, Drew compares what Christianity has become in its relationship to race, with who Jesus was and what He did. He challenges the Christian mind to be renewed, understanding the role that power and hierarchy still plays in the church, and how this damages all of us and limits the kingdom work we are called to.It is the unique privilege of any dominant group to assume that our perspective on things is the objective perspective. This has certainly happened in Christianity. And yet, of all the people involved in a culture, the dominant group is the group that has the least accurate view of things, because their viewpoint never has to be changed in order to survive. What does this mean? In any set of abusive relationships, the one abused understands the relationship far more clearly because their survival depends on it. An abused child understands the emotional dynamics of their home better than the abuser, because they have to develop a heightened sensitivity in order to survive. Women understand patriarchy better than men. Poor people understand the impact of a society constructed for the wealthy better than the wealthy do. Minoritized people understand the pitfalls and traps of living in a society where they are on the edges. Why? Because in all these cases, knowing this landscape is their chief survival mechanism. And yet, it is always the dominant group that thinks it’s view on things is the most accurate. In my own experience, my life changed dramatically when I came to realize that my view of the world is not canonical. This was the moment I could begin listening to the lived experience of other people, and that one shift changed so much for me. My life and spiritual journey has never been the same since.There is a better, more life-giving way of living on the other side of this realization, and the church will be more able to be the kind of community God designed when more of us are willing to humble ourselves and listen. Hart says this: “The church in particular needs to be an alternative community that demonstrates to the world that truly love all God’s people--especially those we are socialized to believe don’t matter--is possible.” Reading and sharing this book as a great step in that direction.
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Reviewed in the United States on May 11, 2016
So this book is several things.

One, it is a book of theology of the kingdom of the Messiah. Dr. Hart lays out the plans of God through Jesus Christ in instituting his kingdom, which is topsy-turvy: it is not power-based, it is not authority-based, it is not self-based. It is, instead, based upon love and community, honesty and commitment, risk and sacrifice and the great great reward of connection with Jesus. For that alone, you should read this book.

It is also a book about America, plainly stated, as it was, and is, and perhaps may not always be. It is a book about how we Christians have acquired a worldview of the church and society, of God and Jesus, that matches with our own estimation of the normalcy of "whiteness." There are books which will give you much more detail about the American past, creating the concept of "whiteness" and "blackness" in order to justify power and ownership of one person over another. There are books which will give you more details about how these all worked out in society, from redlining to education to family stability to job access, even to the point of membership and participation in the church. The thesis is that we American Christians have re-created the Jesus of Scripture to be a slightly more beneficent-appearing Uncle Sam, a Jesus committed to the supremacy of America, along with its violence and authority and rulership. The Jesus of the America church, he argues, represents a Jesus we have created in our image so that we may receive approval for our actions in his name. It is not a Jesus that represents humility and service and sacrifice, but one that represents anger and exclusion and hostility to anyone who might threaten the power of America or the church--which are often confused as being the same thing.

It is also a book about wounding and healing, about the many, many millions of people who have been wounded by American, Christian values, and even in their wounding have been overlooked and dismissed. It is a book that opens up the Book; it talks about the real Kingdom and the real Jesus and how He cannot be used by anyone to advance a political or religious objective; indeed, it appears that Jesus has his own agenda and purposes, and they are not necessarily being implemented in the American church. Dr. Hart makes the argument that Christians, representing Jesus, *should* be at the forefront, all along, of restoration and healing. He provides many examples of the wounding, and provides many ideas for the healing that we, as Christians, can begin implementing.

And finally, it is a book of redemptive love. It is Jesus, after all, who has loved us and saved us, such squabbling nuisances, such angry elves, such short-sighted and individualistic believers, such unloveable and unloved humans. Above all the message of Dr. Hart is the reminder that Jesus is worth knowing and loving and serving, that Jesus is in the business of restoration and healing, that Jesus is calling us all, right now, to participate in his kingdom, that Jesus' love is not limited by his need for power and authority, that people are always, ALWAYS more important than success or fame or accomplishment.

There are many great stories in this book. A few spoke to me more than others. One is his story (also told elsewhere) of the meeting of Dietrich Bonhoeffer and Franklin Fisher. It pulled together the life of Bonhoeffer for me--I knew he made a great sacrifice during WWII, but did not understand how he had come to be the person who could walk out his life that way. The other is the story of a women in contemporary American, a white woman, who found herself in a situation she was unprepared to handle regarding an honest, open discussion of racial actions and reactions in the American church. She was unable to handle her emotional reactions (it's not an uncommon thing), and was honest enough to admit her anxieties. The response of Dr. Hart was perfect, meeting her at her level, actively listening, helping her stay on her journey--and yet not dismissing the importance of broaching the topic of racism just because it makes a lot of us uncomfortable.

That is the kind of discussions and interactions we need to have. Dr. Hart helpfully provides some mechanisms and actions we can take in response to his message, which are great tools.

It is a full, rich, complete book. It is challenging and hopeful and honest. It is a message of truth that can appear to be brutal because it is not softened by an attempt to be "liked."

But it is a book worth reading and thinking about.
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Reviewed in the United States on December 21, 2020
Today I finished Drew Hart’s book Trouble I’ve Seen: Changing the Way the Church Views Racism. My reflection? Simply put, every Christian in America, at least every pastor, ought to read this work.

Racism is a heavy topic. It feels divisive to many of us because it brings up deep discomfort, sometimes defensiveness, and feels so tangled and unsolvable. And yet, in a country whose power and wealth was built on stolen land and stolen labor, we must come to understand the role racism is currently playing in our lives and churches. (Oh, and if that previous sentence makes you feel defensive, or you react that I’m just some “woke white guy,” then you above all need to read this book. And if you’re unwilling to do so, perhaps wonder why that is. 198 pages of writing can’t hurt you. What is it about listening to a black guy talk about the black experience in American Christianity that is so threatening? And if you say you’re not threatened, fantastic! Click the link and buy the book)

Drew starts with his own experience, but quickly leads us through the essentials of the conversation. Why we fight over the definition of racism, when and how the label “white” came to be, and why and how Christianity shifted from a “brown” religion to a “white” one. He also spends a considerable amount of time helping us see the role of socialization, and how it means that the intuition of the dominant group is automatically flawed when it comes to matters of justice. This was a hard pill to swallow, but Drew shows clearly how this happens, and gives historical examples that are impossible to ignore.

But this is not just a book about racism, it is also very deeply a book about faith, Christianity and discipleship. All along the way, Drew compares what Christianity has become in its relationship to race, with who Jesus was and what He did. He challenges the Christian mind to be renewed, understanding the role that power and hierarchy still plays in the church, and how this damages all of us and limits the kingdom work we are called to.

It is the unique privilege of any dominant group to assume that our perspective on things is the objective perspective. This has certainly happened in Christianity. And yet, of all the people involved in a culture, the dominant group is the group that has the least accurate view of things, because their viewpoint never has to be changed in order to survive. What does this mean? In any set of abusive relationships, the one abused understands the relationship far more clearly because their survival depends on it. An abused child understands the emotional dynamics of their home better than the abuser, because they have to develop a heightened sensitivity in order to survive. Women understand patriarchy better than men. Poor people understand the impact of a society constructed for the wealthy better than the wealthy do. Minoritized people understand the pitfalls and traps of living in a society where they are on the edges. Why? Because in all these cases, knowing this landscape is their chief survival mechanism. And yet, it is always the dominant group that thinks it’s view on things is the most accurate. In my own experience, my life changed dramatically when I came to realize that my view of the world is not canonical. This was the moment I could begin listening to the lived experience of other people, and that one shift changed so much for me. My life and spiritual journey has never been the same since.

There is a better, more life-giving way of living on the other side of this realization, and the church will be more able to be the kind of community God designed when more of us are willing to humble ourselves and listen. Hart says this: “The church in particular needs to be an alternative community that demonstrates to the world that truly love all God’s people--especially those we are socialized to believe don’t matter--is possible.” Reading and sharing this book as a great step in that direction.
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Reviewed in the United States on December 21, 2020
Today I finished Drew Hart’s book Trouble I’ve Seen: Changing the Way the Church Views Racism. My reflection? Simply put, every Christian in America, at least every pastor, ought to read this work.

Racism is a heavy topic. It feels divisive to many of us because it brings up deep discomfort, sometimes defensiveness, and feels so tangled and unsolvable. And yet, in a country whose power and wealth was built on stolen land and stolen labor, we must come to understand the role racism is currently playing in our lives and churches. (Oh, and if that previous sentence makes you feel defensive, or you react that I’m just some “woke white guy,” then you above all need to read this book. And if you’re unwilling to do so, perhaps wonder why that is. 198 pages of writing can’t hurt you. What is it about listening to a black guy talk about the black experience in American Christianity that is so threatening? And if you say you’re not threatened, fantastic! Click the link and buy the book)

Drew starts with his own experience, but quickly leads us through the essentials of the conversation. Why we fight over the definition of racism, when and how the label “white” came to be, and why and how Christianity shifted from a “brown” religion to a “white” one. He also spends a considerable amount of time helping us see the role of socialization, and how it means that the intuition of the dominant group is automatically flawed when it comes to matters of justice. This was a hard pill to swallow, but Drew shows clearly how this happens, and gives historical examples that are impossible to ignore.

But this is not just a book about racism, it is also very deeply a book about faith, Christianity and discipleship. All along the way, Drew compares what Christianity has become in its relationship to race, with who Jesus was and what He did. He challenges the Christian mind to be renewed, understanding the role that power and hierarchy still plays in the church, and how this damages all of us and limits the kingdom work we are called to.

It is the unique privilege of any dominant group to assume that our perspective on things is the objective perspective. This has certainly happened in Christianity. And yet, of all the people involved in a culture, the dominant group is the group that has the least accurate view of things, because their viewpoint never has to be changed in order to survive. What does this mean? In any set of abusive relationships, the one abused understands the relationship far more clearly because their survival depends on it. An abused child understands the emotional dynamics of their home better than the abuser, because they have to develop a heightened sensitivity in order to survive. Women understand patriarchy better than men. Poor people understand the impact of a society constructed for the wealthy better than the wealthy do. Minoritized people understand the pitfalls and traps of living in a society where they are on the edges. Why? Because in all these cases, knowing this landscape is their chief survival mechanism. And yet, it is always the dominant group that thinks it’s view on things is the most accurate. In my own experience, my life changed dramatically when I came to realize that my view of the world is not canonical. This was the moment I could begin listening to the lived experience of other people, and that one shift changed so much for me. My life and spiritual journey has never been the same since.

There is a better, more life-giving way of living on the other side of this realization, and the church will be more able to be the kind of community God designed when more of us are willing to humble ourselves and listen. Hart says this: “The church in particular needs to be an alternative community that demonstrates to the world that truly love all God’s people--especially those we are socialized to believe don’t matter--is possible.” Reading and sharing this book as a great step in that direction.
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Reviewed in the United States on February 21, 2016
Troubles I Have Seen is a needed book in regards to dealing with racism in the church. This book takes a hard, grim look on racism today. I’ll be honest, this book isn’t for the faint of heart. You may not agree with everything said, but you’ll benefit greatly from reading this.

In nine chapters he speaks of how sin has fleshed itself out in racism, white supremacy, and anti-black ideology, not just in America but in the church. And through it shows how to subvert these realities in the church.

He goes back to the beginning of American history showing how from this country’s birth till now, white supremacy has infiltrated everything, even down to our theology. Even more, he shows how majority culture, even the church, has been blind to the mistreatment of people of color. And if we were honest, the white church today at large misses the full extent of how black folks are oppressed today. And the only way to see is to enter into the pain as Jesus did.

I must highlight chapter 3 and chapter 9. It may not have been his intent, but chapter 3 reminded me how important it is to keep Jesus in his historical context. His re-telling of Jesus’ story put steel in my spine as I re-discovered a Savior who can identify with people of color today. Often the gospel is simplified down to justification ripping Jesus from the world he lived in. Drew shows how in Jesus, God is uniquely at work amongst the poor, marginalized, and unwanted and the way to serve is amongst them in humility.

Chapter 9 gives 7 practices that will help communities deconstruct the white supremacy, racial hierarchy, and racial prejudice we’ve inherited. May Jesus give us the courage for the days ahead.

I wish I could give more, every chapter is necessary but you’ll have to get the book.
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Running Pastor
5.0 out of 5 stars A must-read, especially if it makes us uncomfortable
Reviewed in Canada on December 12, 2019
It will be easy for white people (I am one) to dismiss this book, or become offended. Don’t. Push through, even if you must use a “what if this IS true” filter. Well-written, reasonable, painful, prophetic. Determine to finish it, if you start it. The last chapter offers a helpful, hopeful way forward.

By the way - the book is heavily American in context. Still important for this Canadian reader and pastor.
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Carolyn
5.0 out of 5 stars Essential reading
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on July 17, 2020
Dr Drew Hart describes in the clearest terms, not only the racism within white Christian churches, but also the essence of what it should mean to be a follower of Jesus. He gets to the heart of the matter on both topics and thereby exposes all the more, the hypocrisy within many white Christian circles. He explains the history of race, racism in the Christian church, and current day experiences of black people in particular. I would recommend his book as essential reading for anyone who wants to understand the roots of racism in churches and what to do to end it.
T G L
5.0 out of 5 stars Church can do better - this book shows you how
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on November 11, 2020
A skilful introduction as to how we as the church body can do better in this racialised society.

Each page is truth, wisdom, hope and a portrait of the kind of church we are called to be.

Whether you are a pastor, leader, attendee, or anyone who follows Jesus and want to see a better church, then this book is for you ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Rod N.
5.0 out of 5 stars Very satisfied
Reviewed in Canada on March 8, 2019
Book is good quality and reasonably priced
Rob Goetze
5.0 out of 5 stars Amazing book! Well-written
Reviewed in Canada on May 5, 2016
Amazing book! Well-written, easy-to-read, and a key book for white Christians who want to better understand racism and learn what reconciliation and justice looks like.
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