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U.S. Versus Them: How a Half-Century of Conservatism Has Undermined America's Security Hardcover – April 17, 2008
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- Print length368 pages
- LanguageEnglish
- PublisherViking Adult
- Publication dateApril 17, 2008
- Reading age18 years and up
- Dimensions6.24 x 1.24 x 9.34 inches
- ISBN-100670018821
- ISBN-13978-0670018826
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The shelves are already bulging with books about George W. Bush's disastrous foreign policy -- where it went wrong, how to steer things right. Yet space should be made for J. Peter Scoblic's U.S. vs. Them, if only because it points out that there's nothing "neo" about the neoconservatives.
The neocons' military unilateralism, shunning of diplomacy as "appeasement," scorn of international institutions as "unwelcome checks on American power" -- all these notions, Scoblic argues, are rooted in un-prefixed American conservatism, a movement founded by William F. Buckley in the 1950s, which fused the once separate strands of libertarianism and religious traditionalism into a crusade against Roosevelt's New Deal at home and Truman's containment abroad.
Bush, Scoblic writes, "is the direct descendant -- indeed, the ultimate product -- of this movement" because, unlike other postwar Republican presidents, he has taken conservatives' foreign policy ideas seriously and brought their dreams to deadly life.
Eisenhower's secretary of state, John Foster Dulles, talked of "rolling back" the Soviet empire, but Ike and Dulles abided by the realism of their Democratic predecessors, Harry Truman and Dean Acheson, who, as Scoblic puts it, valued nuclear deterrence over "moral clarity." Nixon, whom Scoblic treats as an arms-control hero, did much the same, at least in superpower politics.
Conservatives credit Reagan's ideological purity with winning the Cold War. But Scoblic notes that the Soviets folded only because, in his second term, Reagan turned liberal. It's often forgotten that many on the right lambasted their idol for sitting down with Mikhail Gorbachev and still more for the accords he negotiated, especially the one eliminating medium-range missiles in Europe.
Reagan's crucial role, Scoblic says, was that "he recognized Gorbachev as a reformer and adapted quickly . . . ratcheting down the nuclear tension that he himself had helped create." Had Reagan persisted in his earlier rhetoric, as several aides and columnists urged, "Gorbachev would have lost his room to maneuver" within the Politburo; his attempts at reform, which required outreach to the West, would have wilted; and the Cold War might have rumbled on, ending at some point but perhaps not so cordially.
Scoblic, executive editor of the New Republic, isn't out to puncture GOP myths but to frame them in a historical context. He traces the conservative worldview ("us versus them," "good versus evil") to the nation's beginnings, when the colonists were "in fact surrounded by enemies" -- Native Americans on one side, European imperialists on the other -- a condition that bred a sense of moral and nationalistic exceptionalism.
By the mid-20th century, the rise of the Axis powers, the vital role that we played in winning World War II and the nuclear arms race that followed all rendered this lofty apartness untenable. "International security required reaching some sort of modus vivendi with the enemy so that the world did not suddenly end in nuclear holocaust," Scoblic writes. "Conservatives were not only ill-suited to meeting this task; they rejected its very premise."
Conservatives staged a revival under George W. Bush, in part because it seemed they could. With the Soviet Union gone, they thought the United States could flex its muscles without limit or risk. And so the "us-versus-them worldview" revived, with democratization serving as the "ideological successor to anticommunism." The goal was the same -- "to make victory permanent so that there would never again be a question of engaging with evil." Yet as Acheson noted in 1949, "good and evil have existed in this world since Adam and Eve went out of the garden of Eden."
Scoblic is among a growing number of liberals who, repulsed by Bush's kind of "moral clarity," have embraced a return to realism in foreign policy -- not quite Nixon-Kissinger realpolitik but at least a modest view of the world as it really works. He writes, for instance, that presidents should be elected for their "empiricism, pragmatism, and leadership." (He stays mum on which of the present candidates best fits the bill.)
Yet Scoblic sometimes falls prey to his own us-versus-them thinking. In drawing contrasts with Bush, he gives the impression that Bill Clinton, Richard Nixon and Brent Scowcroft are of the same ilk -- which brushes over significant differences. He waves away Truman's conservative tendencies as politically expedient rhetoric, when Truman probably believed in them. He sees John F. Kennedy as confused, but the confusion is partly Scoblic's; JFK doesn't neatly fit into his liberal/conservative matrix.
Scoblic doesn't address the age-old, now-vital question of whether and how moral factors should enter into foreign policy. He draws a distinction between policies that are "moral" (good) and "moralist" (bad), but he never clearly defines the terms. Instead, he devotes his final chapter to the danger of nuclear proliferation -- an issue both narrower and broader than the rest of the book's scope -- and then fails to offer a solution, except to say that negotiating to prevent nuclear war should take precedence over violent regime change. I closed this otherwise satisfying book, thinking, "OK, but then what?"
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- Publisher : Viking Adult; First Edition (April 17, 2008)
- Language : English
- Hardcover : 368 pages
- ISBN-10 : 0670018821
- ISBN-13 : 978-0670018826
- Reading age : 18 years and up
- Item Weight : 1.2 pounds
- Dimensions : 6.24 x 1.24 x 9.34 inches
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Now, after reading them, you'll have a clue what this book is about. The conservative movement, as described by this book, is one where the only choices are black or white, hot or cold, up or down, us vs them. This is the underlying problem with the ideology. There is no in between. And since there is no in between, facts must either fit into the world view, or facts must be discarded when they do not fit. In addition, since the desired outcome is already known, facts may not even be needed. Sure, that may be fine if you are the guy who shopped at Costo, picked up the book, flipped to the middle, read one page, and then decided to post a one star review of the book here. Unfortunately it is not fine if you are in a position on world leadership. Ignorance never is.
The negative reviews from this book are actually a bit startling. They are basically attacks at on opposing view. The book, however, is fairly straight forward, and does little to attack the conservative mindset itself. Quite often, it rationalized the behavior and applied praise for a necessary political voice. I found myself a bit more open and understanding as to the how's and why's of the mindset. I actually read portions to my conservative co-workers, and they agreed with much of the author's points. This is a book that conservatives should read, to be honest. It gives understanding and insight, without the typical drama seen in right wing vs left wing literature.
Unfortunately, one of the points made in the book is that education and understanding are needed to return to rational discourse. After seeing the reviews of others here... I'm again forced to come to the conclusion that conservative people will never find value in education, nor will they ever appreciate those who have taken on the difficult task of understanding.
When diplomacy is seen in this light, Scoblic speaks very well of the initiatives of Jimmy Carter. And, after all, negotiating with the Shah about his human rights abuses certainly advanced American interests in the region and today Iran is governed by a pro-western, US friendly regime that values human rights, democracy, and pluralism. Similarly, Carters embrace of the new Sandinistan government in Nicaragua was a positive step in Central America. Negotiating with dogmatically Marxist Soviet puppet regimes, like the new one in Managua, effectively defused the potential flood of Soviet and Cuban influence in the region while simultaneously bolstering the democratic and politically diverse Sandinistan regime.
Aside from Scoblic anemic attempt to cast Carter's diplomatic adventures in a positive light, a good portion of the book is spent portraying conservatives and liberal hawks as constantly overestimating Soviet strength and misinterpreting Soviet intent. Scoblic continually points out that conservatives believed, incorrectly according to him, that the Soviets were bent on world domination and that they were actively building a war fighting capability to this ends. Scoblic should have referenced one of the many authors from the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact whose post cold war revelations essentially confirm this such as Ryszard Kukliñski, Vojtech Mastny, or Vasili Mitrokhin. They make very clear what the Soviets real intent was during the Cold War and it stands in stark contrast to the "give peace a chance" narrative of Scoblic.
Scoblic talks about empiricism quite a bit in the book. He makes the case, convincingly enough I might add, that decisions on foreign policy should be made based primarily on the maximum good that any policy will achieve. For example, if nuclear proliferation in North Korea is the issue and if "diplomatic realists" can persuade the DPKR to stop plutonium processing then isn't it a good thing to negotiate instead of being unilaterally bellicose and hostile? Scoblic uses this example to illustrate his point that the "realists" in the Clinton administration successfully negotiated with the DPKR to halt its nuclear program and the conservatives in the Bush administration alienated Pyongyang and all that progress was destroyed. Scoblic's example sounds less convincing when one takes into consideration that Pyongyang began work on an enriched uranium weapons program and a ballistic missile to deliver it the day the agreement to stop processing plutonium was signed. .
Another use of Scoblic "empiricism" is in the multiple criticisms he has of Team B in the book. For example, Scoblic berates Team B for concluding that the Soviets had developed non-acoustic ASW capabilities because there was no evidence. Cleary had Scoblic cracked a book on this, he would have seen that the Soviets first deployed non acoustic ASW platforms on Ka-25's as early as 1967. He then referred to the reports conclusion that the Soviets were growing their nuclear and conventional forces as "egregious error" when it pretty much an undisputed fact that the Soviet nuclear arsenal was growing by 2,000-3,000 warheads a year from 1965-1985 and that Soveit conventional spending skyrocketed from 1965 until 1975 (only a year before the report). Scoblic also ignores the largely uncontroversial and widely accepted conclusion from Team B on Soviet ballistic missile accuracy and Soviet air defenses. The issue of civil defense is also is also poo-pooed despite the fact that the Soviets spent nearly .5% of GDP on average from 1955-1989 on civil defense measures preparations (including one entirely redundant subway system in Moscow). The most ironic part of all this is while Scoblic speaks of the inherent impartiality of pure empirical data, his criticisms of Team B come mainly from other polemical works, and as illustrated above, when compared to real empirical data, turn out to be less than reliable. And never mind, of course, that people like the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan (knuckle dragging right winger he must have been) thought very highly of Team B's work.
Scoblic has also made the case, rather poorly this time, that we live in more dangerous times now than we did during the Cold War. Realistically, we could have a 9/11 every year and be an order of magnitude more safe than during the height of the Cold War. Terrorism is certainly a threat to national and regional stability, but an all out nuclear exchange is an extinction level threat to our species.
My biggest issue with the book is its relativistic and postmodern analysis of the world. According to Scoblic, there is no good and there is no evil, only different ways of seeing things. Thinking like this is only going to guarantee the rise of more Evil Empires in the future; sometimes no matter how hard you twits to humanize someone, a piece of manure is still a piece of manure.

