Yamaha Corporation of America YDS12BL Universal Docking Cradle
|Item Weight||0.75 Pounds|
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About this item
- Works with iPhone certified accessory dock for compatible Yamaha receivers
- Universal iPod/iPhone docking station custom designed for select Yamaha home theater receivers
- Plays your iPod/iPhone's music and video clips through home theater speakers and attached monitor
- Uses receiver's remote control to operate iPod/iPhone, charges your iPod or iPhone while in the base
- Modes switch (A, B). Default is (A) mode for compatibility with the newer Yamaha products such as the RX Vx67 series, AVENTAGE series and YSP 2200 Digital Sound Projector, while (B) mode is for compatibility with previous Yamaha products that use the dock port
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The Yamaha YDS-12 Universal iPod Dock: "Works With iPhone"- Certified Convenience. There are several iPod docking stations on the market, but few are as convenient as the YDS-12, which is both "Made for iPod" and is now "Works with iPhone"-certified, unlike previous dock models. Connection is easy--simply plug the dock into a compatible Yamaha receiver's rear-panel port. Once connected, the dock not only charges your iPod and plays your favorite playlists through the receiver's stereo or surround speakers, but it also shows iPod images and movies through an attached monitor or HDTV. It's the perfect solution for people who regularly download TV shows from iTunes but want to watch them on a big TV or display. The rest of the time, you can rock out to all your favorite songs with style. And it works seamlessly with your existing Yamaha home theater system--the YDS-12 lets you operate your iPod from across the room using the receiver's remote control and onscreen display, so you don't need to rise off the sofa each time you want to change selections. Connecting your iPod to a home theater system has never been easier or sounded so good.
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The YDS-12 is "Works with iPhone" certified
The Yamaha YDS-12 Universal iPod Dock: "Works With iPhone"-Certified ConvenienceThere are several iPod docking stations on the market, but few are as convenient as the YDS-12, which is both "Made for iPod" and is now "Works with iPhone"-certified, unlike previous dock models. Connection is easy--simply plug the dock into a compatible Yamaha receiver's rear-panel port.
Once connected, the dock not only charges your iPod and plays your favorite playlists through the receiver's stereo or surround speakers, but it also shows iPod images and movies through an attached monitor or HDTV. It's the perfect solution for people who regularly download TV shows from iTunes but want to watch them on a big TV or display. The rest of the time, you can rock out to all your favorite songs with style. And it works seamlessly with your existing Yamaha home theater system--the YDS-12 lets you operate your iPod from across the room using the receiver's remote control and onscreen display, so you don't need to rise off the sofa each time you want to change selections. Connecting your iPod to a home theater system has never been easier or sounded so good.
The YDS-12 has two modes - "A Mode" is "Works with iPhone" certified and works with the receivers listed here: RX-A3010/3000, RX-A2010/2000, RX-A1010/1000, RX-A810/800, RX-A710/700, RX-V871/867, RX-V671/667, RX-V571/567, RX-V471/467, RX-V371/367.
The second mode on the YDS-12, "Mode B," works with older line of the RX-V series. While in "Mode B," the YDS-12 works with: iPod touch, iPod nano, iPod Click Wheel (including iPod classic), and iPod mini.
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-Provides an EXCELLENT music listening experience. This type of connection is far superior to what you get by plugging a speaker into the headphone jack, or using bluetooth to stream music to a speaker.
-Charges the iPhone while it is playing
-You can use the remote control that comes with the sound projector to move through your songs/playlists.
-Despite what other reviewers have said, you CAN use this dock in conjunction with an iPad. Simply purchase a product like CableJive dockXtender Premium Extension Cable for iPhone, iPod, iPad-Black, 2 feet. and you can plug in any iOS device (except the late-2012 iPhone/iPads as Apple is changing the connector type).
-The dock fits in aesthetically with the Sound Projector. It can also be tucked away when not in use for a less cluttered look
-The Sound Projector has a designated button to activate the dock
-There is a SLIGHT delay in the music being heard over the Sound Projector when the iPhone is connected. The first couple of times I connected it, I felt that I must be doing something wrong. I now know to wait 2-3 seconds for the music to start playing.
Overall I recommend this product for those with compatible Yamaha speaker system.s
The YDS-12 connects to your Yamaha receiver through a proprietary connector. This connector has upwards of 60 pins, yet the device has very few features. These receivers are capable of firmware updates, so it is entirely possible that future enhancements may one day be available. Other Yamaha receivers have gotten enhancements for their docks in the past.
Once connected, you can plug your Apple device into the dock - and here is the first big negative about the YDS-12. Like most Apple docks, your iPod/iPhone stands nearly vertical on its own (it actually leans back about 20 degrees). It is expected to stay in that position while it is docked, putting a good deal of pressure on the Apple connector. It is far to easy for someone to accidentally hit the iPhone/iPod and snap the connector off (or worse, break the mating connector in your expensive phone). I really wish Yamaha would have provided the option of a corded cnnector and a cradle to rest your phone in. This product is an accident waiting to happen - but even the Apple Universal Dock has this issue. Repairs to Apple connectors cost $50-$100.
Once you insert your Apple device into the Dock and put the Yamaha in Dock mode, the Receiver Display will say "Ipod Connected" (even if you are connecting an iPhone). Pressing the "Display" button on your Yamaha remote brings up the control menu. There are two control menus available for commanding the iPhone/iPod: one is on the Yamaha Receiver display and the other is an On-Screen-Display (OSD) if you have the Yamaha hooked up to your TV. Some Yamahas have a dot-matrix display and the higher ends have an LCD display - both show you the same general menus. The nice thing about the menus is that they allow you to control play of your Apple device using the Yamaha remote.
Your menu choices are:
1) Play Video
2) Play Music
This brings me to another BIG limitation of this device: "Play Video" only refers to video from iTunes (i.e. movies that you have purchased or uploaded). It does NOT include video you recorded through your camera, nor does it include photos you took with your camera. Basically, it does not give you access to your Camera Roll.
You DO have the ability to play slideshows or recorded video, but NOT using the remote control. While your device is docked, you need to open your Camera Roll and start a slideshow manually. You then need to hit the "Display" button on your remote again to turn off your OSD on your TV. Only then will the pictures and recorded video appear on your TV. You can ONLY see pictures/video when it is playing as a slideshow. Because you need to do this while the device is docked, it means you are pressing on the screen, putting even more pressure on the poor little dock connector. I'm telling you, this is a bad mechanical design.
Yamaha REALLY needs to update the firmware to allow Camera Roll access through the menu. This limitation is truly a deal-breaker for a device that costs over $50. Read on for a cheaper solution.
Video playback quality is awful - as expected considering it is optimized for a tiny display. Even video recorded on a 4th gen iPod Touch (which is supposed to have the latest HD-quality video recording) looks blocky when played on a big TV. Video quality on a big screen TV is about the equivalent of watching SD video on the SlingPlayer App over 3G. Mediocre at best.
Movie playback of iTunes movies was quite a bit better, but still don't expect this to replace Netflix. Speaking of Netflix, be aware that almost no apps support playback of video through cables, so don't expect to be able to play Angry Birds on a 55" plasma. It's not going to happen.
Given the two big cons I found with this device, I offer a less expensive alternative to it: Buy an Apple A/V Component (or Composite) Cable for about $40 (from the Apple store). You can get non-Apple ones even cheaper - but the Apple version is guaranteed to be compatible with just about all Apple devices. These cables have an Apple connector at one end and several RCA connectors at the other. You can connect the RCA cables to the back of the Yamaha Receiver and have the same quality picture and audio as you will with the YDS-12. Your device will be connected through a cable rather than perching on a tiny connector at a dangerous angle. About the only negative is that you won't be able to play back anything using the remote control - there will be no menus at all. You will need to directly handle the Apple device, but you need to do that anyway on the YDS-12 in order to watch recorded videos or see pictures. You still won't be able to play games on the big screen, though. And, the Apple cable includes an extra line to allow charging of your device while watching on your TV.
Regarding a couple of confusing reviews:
* Several people mentioned that once a device is fully charged, the YDS-12 stops charging, so you wake up the next morning to a dead device. This did not happen to me with my 3GS, but since it's happened to others there may be defective units. Mine shows it is at 100% and still charging.
* Someone suggested that the YDS-12 is "easily portable". Yeah, it is....but so what? If you take it to a party, there had better be a new model Yamaha there to plug it into. This is not compatible with any other brand (nor is it compatible with most other Yamaha receivers). Another reason to choose the Apple cable over this - the Apple cable IS truly portable. You can take it to a party and plug it onto any component-ready device.
So, I'm not trying to knock this product unfairly. It's worth about $25 at most because of the very limited menu system. Unless Yamaha updates it in a big way, I would opt for the Apple A/V cable, knowing there will be no remote control. By the way, Apple DOES have a fancy dock that includes a remote, but it has even more limitations than the YDS-12, so stay away from the very expensive Apple Universal Dock.
In summary, YDS-12 vs Apple A/V cable:
* Both charge your device
* Both play back iTunes videos on your TV (but YDS-12 allows remote control)
* Both play back music through your TV or Yamaha (but YDS-12 allows remote control)
* Both play photo slide shows - NO REMOTE CONTROL
* Both play recorded video - NO REMOTE CONTROL
* Neither allows games or apps to be played on TV
* YDS-12 is menu-driven (Apple A/V is manually driven by you)
* YDS-12 is potentially dangerous to your connector (Apple A/V uses safer cable connection)
* YDS-12 won't work with iPad; Apple A/V Cable will
* YDS-12 is more expensive and only usable on specific Yamaha Receivers
* Apple A/V cable is cheaper and connects to most new TVs and almost all receivers
Unless you REALLY need to use the remote (with all its limitations), go with the Apple A/V cable.
Top reviews from other countries
YAMAHA AVアンプ RX-V3067でまったく問題なく使用できています。