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A counterintuitive examination into how, and what, opponents of the West have learned during the last quarter-century of conflict.

Just two decades ago, observers spoke of the US as a "hyperpower"--a nation with more relative power than any empire in history. Yet as early as 1993, CIA director James Woolsey pointed out that although Western powers had "slain a large dragon" by defeating the Soviet Union, they now faced a "bewildering variety of poisonous snakes." In
The Dragons and the Snakes, the eminent soldier-scholar David Kilcullen asks how, and what, opponents of the West have learned during the last quarter-century of conflict. Applying a combination of evolutionary theory and detailed field observation, he explains what happened to the "snakes"--non-state threats including terrorists and guerrillas--and the "dragons"--state-based competitors such as Russia and China. He explores how enemies learn under conditions of conflict, and examines how Western dominance over a very particular, narrowly-defined form of warfare since the Cold War has created a fitness landscape that forces adversaries to adapt in ways that present serious new challenges to America and its allies. Within the world's contemporary conflict zones, state and non-state threats have increasingly come to resemble each other, with states adopting non-state techniques and non-state actors now able to access lethal weapon systems once only available to governments. A counterintuitive look at a vastly more complex conflict environment, this book both reshapes our understanding of the West's adversaries and shows how we can respond given the increasing limits on US power.

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"Disturbingly brilliant. David Kilcullen, ever the thoughtful observer of wars and the people who wage them, captures the changes in warfare that already confound-and threaten to overwhelm us. He correctly shows that we are mentally and physically unprepared for the new nature of conflict, and will likely pay dearly for it." -Stan McChrystal, Partner, McChrystal Group

"David Kilcullen has produced another thoughtful, important book. At a time when some believe that the return of competition with great powers (i.e. dragons) might serve as an emotional cathartic to help forget the long war against jihadist terrorist organizations (i.e. snakes), the author exposes and transcends that false choice. His ideas about how to fight for peace in a dangerous world should be read and discussed not only by diplomats, defense officials, and military officers, but also by citizens concerned about securing a better future for their children." -H.R. McMaster, author of Dereliction of Duty and the forthcoming Battlegrounds

"To absorb Kilcullen's insights is to be forced to rethink national and international security in this new century and to adjust military and nonmilitary institutions to a host of new realities. Senior policy-makers have no choice but to do so."--Gary Hart, Member, United States Senate Armed Services and Intelligence Committees

"An eye-opening look at the state of strategic balance between the United States and its rivals, large and small... The author delivers a detailed and unsettling analysis of how America's rivals have adapted to the modern strategic landscape--and how they hope to defeat us. Essential reading for anyone concerned with America's future on the world stage."--Kirkus, Starred Review

"This book should be read by everyone in a uniform."--The Times (U.K.)

"Kilcullen is a welcome guide, offering a neat summation of how both nation-states and terrorist groups alike learned to cope with America's conventional military primacy... Kilcullen's approach offers readers accessible insights into what are complex and dynamic trends."--Diplomatic Courier

"An impressive exposé on how terrorists and non-state actors outmanoeuvre conventional militaries... [Kilcullen] has a commanding view of a geopolitical landscape."
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Financial Times

"Kilcullen argues persuasively that while the United States has been mired down in forever wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, our current and potential adversaries have gotten the jump on us. His book offers readers a skillfully annotated road map of contemporary conflict, describing in clear, measured prose how and why the days of American strategic and military preeminence are now behind us."--Daily Beast

"Kilcullen's The Dragons and the Snakes is a timely invitation for the West to get its strategic house in order with some new thinking."--The Bridge

"An incisive work that has deservedly garnered a great deal of attention and is likely to be of enduring importance in debates about the decline of Western power."--RealClearDefense

"The Dragons and the Snakes is the best single piece out there-concise, well-written, and nuanced. It is both a timely introduction to the topic for the unfamiliar and a source of new discoveries and insights for the expert; an important book during changing times."--PRISM

"Thanks to Kilcullen's serious military experience, access to policymakers, thorough research, and eclectic academic interests, this Australian scholar has become one of the sharpest commentators on modern conflicts."--Foreign Affairs

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A counterintuitive examination into how, and what, opponents of the West have learned during the last quarter-century of conflict.

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  • Publisher ‏ : ‎ Oxford University Press
  • Publication date ‏ : ‎ March 3, 2020
  • Edition ‏ : ‎ Illustrated
  • Language ‏ : ‎ English
  • Print length ‏ : ‎ 336 pages
  • ISBN-10 ‏ : ‎ 019026568X
  • ISBN-13 ‏ : ‎ 978-0190265687
  • Item Weight ‏ : ‎ 1.35 pounds
  • Dimensions ‏ : ‎ 6.4 x 1.3 x 9.4 inches
  • Best Sellers Rank: #278,254 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)
  • Customer Reviews:
    4.6 out of 5 stars 563 ratings

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David Kilcullen is the award-winning author of Accidental Guerrilla (2009) and Counterinsurgency (2010) and now Out of the Mountains: The Coming Age of the Urban Guerrilla (2013).

His newest book takes us away from the remote, rural guerrilla warfare of Afghanistan, and into the marginalized slums and complex security threats of the world's coastal cities. Scrutinizing major environmental trends -- population growth, coastal urbanization, and increasing digital connectivity-- he projects a future of feral cities, urban systems under stress, and increasing overlaps between crime and war, internal and external threats, and the real and virtual worlds.

Dave is the Chief Executive Officer of Caerus Associates a strategic research and design firm that specializes in innovative, often counter-intuitive solutions to the world's hardest problems: economic development, violent conflict, humanitarian assistance, energy shortages and climate change. He is an advisor to NATO, and a consultant to the US and allied governments, international institutions, private sector companies and non-profit organizations seeking to make a difference in conflict and post-conflict environments and the developing world.

Before founding Caerus, Dave served 24 years as a soldier, diplomat and policy advisor for the Australian and United States governments. He was Special Advisor to the Secretary of State from 2007-2009 and Senior Advisor to General David Petraeus in Iraq in 2007. He has provided advice at the highest levels of the Bush and Obama administrations, and has worked in peace and stability operations, humanitarian relief and counterinsurgency environments in the Asia-Pacific, Middle East, South Asia and Africa. He is a well-known author, teacher and consultant, advising the U.S. and allied governments, international organizations, NGOs and the private sector.

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Customers find the book thought-provoking and well-researched, providing deep analysis of US foreign policy. Moreover, the writing style receives positive feedback, with one customer noting its masterful use of paragraph structure. Additionally, the narrative quality is appreciated, with one customer describing it as a story-like read.

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Customers find the book enlightening and thought-provoking, particularly as a foreign policy analysis, with one customer noting its deep explanations and thorough research.

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Customers find the book engaging and easy to read, with one customer noting its clear historical and cultural content, while another mentions it is a must-read for those interested in foreign affairs.

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Customers appreciate the writing style of the book, with one noting the author's skill with paragraph construction.

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"...It took me 8-9 hours to read the book. The book is well written and copiously foot noted. I would the book's thesis as warfare compels adaptation...." Read more

"...He seems to be a master of the paragraph sentence and one of the first writers to make Clausewitz (or Henry Kissinger) seem like Hemingway...." Read more

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Customers appreciate the narrative quality of the book, with one customer noting it feels like reading a story, while another mentions the arguments are clearly articulated.

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  • Reviewed in the United States on May 29, 2021
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    David Kilcullen is from Australia and served in the Australian Army. He has also served the U.S. Government in civilian roles. He has strong opinions but he is not dominated by American political partisanship, so this book is not in the “Democrats Good, Republicans Bad” or “Republicans Bad, Democrats Good” genre. He criticizes American policies where he thinks they need to be criticized but he seems to be very objective and even-handed.

    The book takes its name from a speech by CIA Director James Woolsey in 1993, where he called America’s state adversaries dragons and he called our non-state adversaries snakes. So the dragons are, mainly, Russia, China, Iran, and North Korea, and the snakes include the Taliban, Al Qaida, Hezbollah, and ISIS. Kilcullen does an amazing job of describing the military, economic, and political efforts by these dragons and snakes, mainly from the break up of the Soviet Union until 2019.

    Kilcullen compares the evolution of dragons and snakes with biological evolution of species. Leaders and soldiers who use the worst tactics get killed. The best leaders and soldiers survive and are successful. When a state or non-state organization is being pressured by military confrontation, it changes and adapts to optimize its effectiveness with respect to its enemies. During more peaceful times, it evaluates itself and watches the technology advances of its enemies and changes and a slower, deliberate pace. Sometimes a snake like Al Qaeda achieves “catastrophic success.” This is a success that is so spectacular that it causes its enemies to launch a campaign to destroy it.

    Russia sees itself as the rightful dominant power in Eastern Europe, and they only feel safe with a good buffer of allies between it and the West (NATO). When East Germany and West Germany were united, Russia felt they had a promise that NATO would not expand farther to the east, so they felt double-crossed when some of the former Warsaw Pact countries were allowed to join NATO.

    Russia has been engaging in “liminal” confrontation. This reminds me of the “brinksmanship” that we talked about in the 60’s and 70’s. They take actions which are difficult to detect and when detected, difficult to assign responsibility. When responsibility can be assigned, the action perhaps did not reach the threshold that would cause the West to retaliate. They send troops into Crimea, they mass their troops at the border of Ukraine and Norway. They send Islamic migrants into Norway. They poison or imprison Russian dissidents.

    In the early decades of the People’s Republic of China, they were a land power with minimal naval and air assets. A large role of the army was to keep domestic order. As they have expanded their trade and economic power, they have developed their navy and gone to a more lean army.

    China sees itself as the “middle kingdom” and sees the United States as a danger. The U.S. bombed the Chinese embassy in Kosovo, and sent aircraft carrier groups through the Taiwan Straight. The first, the U.S. called a mistake. The second, the U.S. calls maintaining freedom of navigation. China sees them both as aggressive and sinister. China was also surprised by the way the U.S. crushed the Iraqi army in the first Gulf War. China uses its economic power to coerce many nations into doing their will in many areas. They have been rapidly modernizing their army, navy, and air force.

    Another reviewer gave the book one star because it is not as good as Clausewitz or Sun Tzu and deals with the same ideas. Well it might be not as good, and it might deal with the same ideas, but Clausewitz and Sun Tzu did not write about how these ideas apply to our confrontations with Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, and the Islamist terrorists.

    Kilcullen thinks that the U.S. and its allies have been dominant from the break-up of the Soviet Union until 2003, and since then their dominance has faded. He thinks the U.S. could be overtaken the way other great powers in history have been overtaken. He suggests several ways that the U.S. could proceed. His favorite is to follow the pattern of the Byzantine Empire. The idea is to use allies, keep enemies off balance, and avoid major wars.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on July 22, 2021
    This is a brilliant book, a must, must read. Enlightening and frightening. We need to change our approach to war & dominance of the space. Not tomorrow, not next week, but right now. It’s written so well and so engagingly, it feels like one is reading a story. If only all history & textbooks could be written like this. I’m blown away. Thank You Dr Kilcullen.
  • Reviewed in the United States on June 13, 2020
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    Well written by someone who has been in the intelligence community for a time. Could do better with a suggested way forward. Still informative none-the-less.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on October 10, 2021
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    This is a great book that goes into deep explanations on the various insurgent groups and their origins. I really liked how the author takes time to walk the reader through the various incarnations and relationships the US has had with these orgs. It makes you really stop and think about who is really propping them up, what our role is in international affairs and how ultimately, the nation state bad guys of the past have truly splintered into hundreds of menacing and difficult to catch groups.
    The enemy doesn't stand still. They morph, adapt and change too.
  • Reviewed in the United States on April 30, 2021
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    Excellent book! Dr. Kilcullen provides a comprehensive historical review of the dragons and snakes before going into how and why states and non-states actor’s adapt to the environment and rise to become a much more challenging adversary. I found the chapter on China and the final chapter in the book to be especially compelling as to what the US can expect in the not too distant future. A must read for anyone interested in foreign affairs or the future of warfare.
  • Reviewed in the United States on August 2, 2020
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    I have the Kindle version. It took me 8-9 hours to read the book. The book is well written and copiously foot noted. I would the book's thesis as warfare compels adaptation. Countries (the Dragons) and the non-state actors (the Snakes) which adapt well survive and those which don't adapt well, die, frequently in the case of individuals, literally.
    The book argues that the First Gulf War in 1991 marked the apex of the American way of war. Both the Dragons and the Snakes, which the U.S. now face looked at that war and learned the lesson not to fight the U.S. that way.
    The book explores the ways Al-Qaeda, ISIS, and others have adapted. One of the author's interesting observations is that by killing off the leaders of these groups, more competent leaders have arisen to control these Snakes. Unintended consequences, indeed.

    The Dragons are China and Russia. If the competitive threat posed by China is perhaps only a dim concern now, read Chapter 5 for an eye-opening review of the range of challenges presented by China. One conceptual challenge is that China defines war much more broadly than the U.S. has traditionally done. China's manufacture and shipment of tons of fentanyl to the U.S. may be a reverse Opium War by China against the U.S. The full scope of the Chinese threat is impressive.

    The book argues that Russia has largely rebounded from the collapse of the Soviet Union at least militarily. It has also adopted some of the Snakes' methods for fighting the West. Liminal warfare (doing just enough to gain an edge, but not enough to provoke an effective response) and escalating to de-escalate are strategies employed by Russia that the book explores.

    Of most importance is the book's final chapter where the author examines possible approaches to manage the U.S. and Western decline. Perhaps the Byzantine empire's management of its varying fortunes across a 1000 years may offer lessons for today.

    The author reviews the historical context for the adaptations forced by warfare over the last 30 years. He also does this utilizing intellectual tools which I found highly useful. His conclusions aren't reassuring. If the effect of war on the means and methods of waging war and the decline of U.S. effectiveness in doing so interest you, I recommend the book highly.
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  • Reviewed in the United States on August 7, 2021
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    Great discussion and new take on an old way of way, but the book seemed to stop before it captured the whole argument
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  • NRM
    5.0 out of 5 stars An excellent book about the modern strategic environment facing Western governments
    Reviewed in Canada on January 19, 2021
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    The author does an excellent job of making a case of how rivals of the Western governments work against said governments, particularly the United States. Overall, the book paints a fairly bleak picture of the challenges required of Western governments in order to foster global balance, which may be too late.
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    5.0 out of 5 stars Libro muy recomendable
    Reviewed in Spain on February 21, 2021
    De rápida y sencilla lectura, el autor propone un interesantísimo escenario geopolítico en el declive militar occidental. Muy recomendable.
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  • Rekha Vasan
    5.0 out of 5 stars Excelsior Book with less voluminous content
    Reviewed in India on September 1, 2021
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    When I first got the book, I felt it would be very small and that I had wasted my money, but boy was I wrong. This book has just 250 pages, but David Kilcullen's narration about the rise of NSA after the Soviet collapse, the resilience and adaptivness of the NSA after gulf war. But mind you, this book provides insights and possible solutions in the perception of the west, any person reading this book doesn't have to be a military analyst, but they do need to have a good command over static and current affairs for better retention and application of the knowledge gained. Atlast, being an Indian, this book really gives a world view about terrorism and helps any military analyst, any UPSC aspirant, or any model UN participant in UNSC committee
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    5.0 out of 5 stars
    Excelsior Book with less voluminous content

    Reviewed in India on September 1, 2021
    When I first got the book, I felt it would be very small and that I had wasted my money, but boy was I wrong. This book has just 250 pages, but David Kilcullen's narration about the rise of NSA after the Soviet collapse, the resilience and adaptivness of the NSA after gulf war. But mind you, this book provides insights and possible solutions in the perception of the west, any person reading this book doesn't have to be a military analyst, but they do need to have a good command over static and current affairs for better retention and application of the knowledge gained. Atlast, being an Indian, this book really gives a world view about terrorism and helps any military analyst, any UPSC aspirant, or any model UN participant in UNSC committee
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  • michael payne
    5.0 out of 5 stars very comprehensive
    Reviewed in the United Kingdom on November 17, 2021
    well researched and essential reading for all military personnel
  • Michael
    4.0 out of 5 stars Ein sehr gutes Buch für die Novellierungen des Krieges nach 9/11.
    Reviewed in Germany on January 3, 2021
    Das Buch ist sehr gut strukturiert und erklärt die Dilemma-Struktueren des Westens gegenüber Russland, China und so genannten Violent Non State Actors; was jedoch fehlt, ist ein Ausweg aus dem Dilemma der Asymmetrie des Krieges im Kontext der Proxy Warfare von "Dragons" und "Snakes" gegenüber dem Westen - allen voran den USA.
    Auch wäre ein Blick auf Indien wünschenswert gewesen.
    Das Buch ist nicht für den durchschnittlichen politik-begeisterten Leser geschrieben, sondern richtete sich vornehmlich an ein wissenschaftliches Fachpublikum, wobei David Kilcullens Methodologie mich persönlich ein wenig stört. Er hat einen ganz eigenen Stil, den nicht jeder mag.
    Fazit: Ein sehr gute Fachbuch