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Book details
- Print length416 pages
- LanguageEnglish
- PublisherHarper Voyager
- Publication dateMay 30, 2000
- Dimensions6.78 x 4.22 x 1.14 inches
- ISBN-100061056405
- ISBN-13978-0061056406
Book overview
With Hari Seldon on trial for treason, the Galactic Empire's long-anticipated migration to Star's End is about to begin. But the mission's brilliant robot leader, R. Daneel Olivaw, has discovered a potential enemy far deadlier--and closer--than he ever imagined. One of his own kind.
A freak accident erases the basic commandments in humaniform robot Lodovik Trema's positronic brain. Now Lodovic's service to humankind is no longer bound by destiny, but by will. To ensure his loyalty, Daneel has Lodovic secretly reprogrammed. But can he be trusted? Now, other robots are beginning to question their mission--and Daneel's strategy. And stirrings of rebellion, too, are infecting their human counterparts. Among them is a young woman with awesome psychic abilities, a reluctant leader with the power to join man and robot in a quest for common freedom.or mutual destruction.
The Foundation Saga Continues
Read Gregory Benford's Foundation's Fear, the first novel in this bold new series and Secret Foundation, the concluding volume from David Brin.
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"EXCITING AND WELL WRITTEN."
-- Publishers Weekly
From the Back Cover
With Hari Seldon on trial for treason, the Galactic Empire's long-anticipated migration to Star's End is about to begin. But the mission's brilliant robot leader, R. Daneel Olivaw, has discovered a potential enemy far deadlier--and closer--than he ever imagined. One of his own kind.
A freak accident erases the basic commandments in humaniform robot Lodovik Trema's positronic brain. Now Lodovic's service to humankind is no longer bound by destiny, but by will. To ensure his loyalty, Daneel has Lodovic secretly reprogrammed. But can he be trusted? Now, other robots are beginning to question their mission--and Daneel's strategy. And stirrings of rebellion, too, are infecting their human counterparts. Among them is a young woman with awesome psychic abilities, a reluctant leader with the power to join man and robot in a quest for common freedom.or mutual destruction.
The Foundation Saga Continues
Read Gregory Benford's Foundation's Fear, the first novel in this bold new series and Secret Foundation, the concluding volume from David Brin.
About the Author
About the authors
Follow authors to get new release updates, plus improved recommendations.Gregory Benford, author of top-selling novels, including Jupiter Project, Artifact, Against Infinity, Eater, and Timescape, is that unusual creative combination of scientist scholar and talented artist; his stories capture readers – hearts and minds – with imaginative leaps into the future of science and of us.
A University of California faculty member since 1971, Benford has conducted research in plasma turbulence theory and experiment, and in astrophysics. His published scientific articles include well over a hundred papers in fields of physics from condensed matter, particle physics, plasmas and mathematical physics, and several in biological conservation.
Often called hard science fiction, Benford's stories take physics into inspired realms. What would happen if cryonics worked and people, frozen, were awoken 50 years in the future? What might we encounter in other dimensions? How about sending messages across time? And finding aliens in our midst? The questions that physics and scientists ask, Benford's imagination explores.
With the re-release of some of his earlier works and the new release of current stories and novels, Benford takes the lead in creating science fiction that intrigues and amuses us while also pushing us to think.
Greg Bear is the author of more than thirty books, spanning thrillers, science fiction, and fantasy, including Blood Music, Eon, The Forge of God, Darwin's Radio, City at the End of Time, and Hull Zero Three. His books have won numerous international prizes, have been translated into more than twenty-two languages, and have sold millions of copies worldwide. Over the last twenty-eight years, he has also served as a consultant for NASA, the U.S. Army, the State Department, the International Food Protection Association, and Homeland Security on matters ranging from privatizing space to food safety, the frontiers of microbiology and genetics, and biological security.
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Product information
| Publisher | Harper Voyager; First Paperback Printing edition (May 30, 2000) |
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| Language | English |
| Mass Market Paperback | 416 pages |
| ISBN-10 | 0061056405 |
| ISBN-13 | 978-0061056406 |
| Item Weight | 7.4 ounces |
| Dimensions | 6.78 x 4.22 x 1.14 inches |
| Best Sellers Rank |
#897,361 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)
#3,491 in Hard Science Fiction (Books)
#16,899 in Science Fiction Adventures
#21,140 in Classic Literature & Fiction
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| Customer Reviews | 4.5 out of 5 stars 675Reviews |
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"Certainly not Asimov, but a good continuation of the storyline. If you are a fan of Hari Seldon, this will help fill in his history." Read more
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I did think the trilogy would take over to cover the last 500 years of the 1,000 years of rebuilding, but so far this book is 100% on the topic of the Empire at the time Hari Seldon goes on trial. Good background info though, and interesting.
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A lifetime later (well, more like an hour), I am finally finished.
This is how the new books are threaded into Asimov's previous books:
Prelude to Foundation
Forward the Foundation
Part 1: Eto Demerzel
----->Foundation's Fear
Part 2: Cleon I
Part 3: Dors Venabili
Part 4: Wanda Seldon
Foundation
Part 1: The Psychohistorians
----->Foundation and Chaos
----->Foundation's Triumph
Part 2: The Encyclopedists
Part 3: The Mayors
Part 4: The Traders
Part 5: The Merchant Princes
Foundation and Empire
Second Foundation
Foundation's Edge
Foundation and Earth
You can just read the new books themselves and still get plenty of enjoyment.
Or you can reread all of Forward the Foundation with Foundation's Fear after Part 1: Eto Demerzel (Parts 2, 3, 4 are a prerequisite to Foundation and Chaos). Then read Foundation and Chaos, which is actually an epically expanded version of Foundation; Part 1: The Psychohistorians). Then finish with Foundation's Triumph.
The appendix of Foundation's Triumph has a historical timeline that combs the Foundation chronology even finer, but not in a way that lets you read the books in any practical manner.
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One must consider that already, Asimov revised the Foundation and Robot series late in life to make an unintended marriage of them. Janet Asimov, his 2nd wife, apparently managed this series by contracting and influencing 3 separate writers, very unusual, who agreed on a general outline, including first the replacement of the STATISTICAL theory of psychohistory with a CHAOS theory (not the same at all - Asimov had a PhD in chemistry, which is dominated by statistical theories that work reliably). In this novel, much more is revealed about the robots and the plan to Empire insiders and others than would be done in an Asimov novel, and ultimately psychohistory is "swept away." Daneel declares it defeated. Seldon himself says it is "... one more hypothesis, guiding and shaping, but ultimately no more than another illusion among all the illusions of men - and robots."
While some of the specificity of the Seldon Crises (called Cusp Times when they actually involve Seldon) was unbelievable, the overall idea of some kind of statistical channelizing trends in human history, which after all repeats themes and patterns, gnawed at my subconscious throughout my entire adult life, until eventually I discovered a theory of crash rate and wrote a book on the Economic Optimization of Innovation & Risk, suggesting that not just software and spacecraft, but civilizations themselves had predictable crash rates, giving a formula for it, and using the theory to explain anomalous U.S. motorway death rates (as compared to for example Germany). Indeed, this idea cannot be swept away except by those who are determined to stubbornly repeat their misfortunes, and to never have a spacefareing civilization because they cannot adjust their social factors to counter unpleasant, destructive instincts. If you think airplanes can knock over a building, or a 17,000 mile per hour asteroid can extinct the dinosaurs, imagine ramming a 17,000 mile per second starship into a planet.
That said, there are some interesting details. The "Mule" plotline is pushed forward with a weak group, headed by Seldon's granddaughter (by Rayych, not his genetic granddaughter), and two other super-strong mentalic women, one "good" and the other "evil." While the robot good vs. evil factions become almost entirely blurred, with some robots easily switching sides multiple times, the two women are inexplicably polarized.
To continue a proper analysis I must indulge in at least some partial spoilers, so stop here if you cannot stand them.
Seldon realizes his "plan" is vaporware when he is attacked by one of the two women. But truthfully, he was already despondent, and I think this is because the new authors (who obviously collaborated on the 3-volume plot) do not care for "the plan" and feel constrained by it. Asimov enjoyed manipulating cleverly and avoiding violence within the plan, making small adjustments. Bear's preference for sweeping resolutions glowers like a caged animal not quite hidden below the surface of the narrative, finally ripping everything apart at the end, then putting it back together, with psychohistory nothing but an "illusion" temporarily shaping "motivating" events.
Asomiv's (Seldon's) plan was a convincing one. First the preservation of knowledge (the Encyclopedia project), which from the power of knowledge and through the vehicles of first religion during the superstitious times (Asimov was anti-religion) and then trade (a popular notion during the 1950s) re-grows the [an] Empire. Then of course he needs some credible threat, enter the Mule, and the Second Foundation to counter it. But the threats are always dealt with using no force and minimal "adjustment."
Bear uses more memory wipes than Men in Black. It is hard to believe Seldon can think at all his memory has been modified so many times, much less build an accurate model of human behavior. In Asimov's one novel about Seldon (Prelude...) he is portrayed as a dogged investigator, filtering out hidden truth, unafraid and undaunted by seemingly superior adversaries (or friends, if they be such). In my experience, old men of this variety do not become defeated, but continue to swagger and plot and investigate even to their dying breaths. It is in their character. It must have been in Asimov's character, a flawed character by his own admission with his single minded focus on writing over anything else, but Bear is a different man.
Nevertheless I enjoyed the read, but I did not see a full and clear analysis in the other reviews, so I've added my two cents worth.
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