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2043 A.D.: The Ngumi War rages. A burned-out soldier and his scientist lover discover a secret that could put the universe back to square one. And it is not terrifying. It is tempting...

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Joe Haldeman is a Vietnam veteran whose classic novels The Forever War and Forever Peace both have the rare honor of winning the Hugo and Nebula Awards. He has served twice as president of the Science Fiction Writers of America and is currently an adjunct professor teaching writing at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

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Joe Haldeman began his writing career while he was still in the army. Drafted in 1967, he fought in the Central Highlands of Vietnam as a combat engineer with the Fourth Division. He was awarded several medals, including a Purple Heart. Haldeman sold his first story in 1969 and has since written over two dozen novels and five collections of short stories and poetry. He has won the Nebula and Hugo Awards for his novels, novellas, poems, and short stories, as well as the John W. Campbell Memorial Award, the Locus Award, the Rhysling Award, the World Fantasy Award, and the James Tiptree, Jr. Award. His works include The Forever War, Forever Peace, Camouflage, 1968, the Worlds saga, and the Marsbound series. Haldeman recently retired after many years as an associate professor in the Department of Writing and Humanistic Studies at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He and his wife, Gay, live in Florida, where he also paints, plays the guitar, rides his bicycle, and studies the skies with his telescope.

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5.0 out of 5 starsVerified Purchase
An Outstanding Novel
Reviewed in the United States on September 16, 2024
A very interesting yarn, waiting for it to unravel, then trying to follow the skeins as they spin off in several directions. It all comes back together at the end and the world has changed. It's worth the read - I couldn't put it down.
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Not perfect, but pretty darn good.
Reviewed in the United States on February 4, 2024
Haldeman is a very good writer. His prose is literate and clear. He hasn't succumbed to the currently fashionable, but confusing, practice of using plural pronouns to refer to individuals. In this book, he alternates points of view between the protagonist and the omniscient... See more
Haldeman is a very good writer. His prose is literate and clear. He hasn't succumbed to the currently fashionable, but confusing, practice of using plural pronouns to refer to individuals. In this book, he alternates points of view between the protagonist and the omniscient author which I found disorienting until I recognized the pattern. The antagonists are all, stereotypically, white, American, and religious. (But, unlike truly religious people in real life, are neither generous nor compassionate -- quite the contrary, these guys are fanatical, sadistic, and bigoted.) In places, the gore is a bit too graphic for my taste. Otherwise, the story is exciting and well told. The science is far-fetched but plausible, extending but not violating known scientific principles. It all adds up to a book well worth reading for a sci-fi fan.
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3.0 out of 5 starsVerified Purchase
Good, but with execution problems
Reviewed in the United States on April 27, 2016
Haldeman is amazing when narrating military encounters, war seems to be his element. When it comes to interpersonal interactions, his limit seems to be two people, which becomes a problem when he has a cast of half a dozen characters interacting, talking, talking over and... See more
Haldeman is amazing when narrating military encounters, war seems to be his element. When it comes to interpersonal interactions, his limit seems to be two people, which becomes a problem when he has a cast of half a dozen characters interacting, talking, talking over and over and over. The characters themselves, apart from the protagonists, could be interchangeable, you may find yourself in the last portion of the book, trying to remember who this guy was who's just done something important, who you know has been there for a while, but who you can't, for the life of you, tell apart from any of the other secondary cast members. Or maybe that was just me.
I did like this book, and the "big idea" at its core is very interesting, especially when seen as the complete opposite of the same idea as contemplated by other of my favorite authors -ahem, Peter Watts, ahem-. But I have to say the execution left something to be desired, at lest for me. First there's the shift between first person and omniscient third person; on the face of it, there should be no problem with this alternating style between first and third person, I've seen it done well before. But in this case I believe there is a problem with the fact that the third person narrator is omniscient. The narrative flow thus becomes bumpy, when you go from Julian Class' telling of his story, full of things he doesn't know, to the third person narrator who knows everything and insists on either giving you explicit details about things Class will never know, or on winking at you about the things he, the omniscient narrator, knows and which will be revealed to you later on. I don't know, I just don't think ending a portion of third person narrative which describes the assumptions of the main characters with a "but they were wrong" or a "or so they believed", it's the best possible choice in this kind of alternating narrative style.
A lot of facts and characters suddenly come up on the story, with only the barest preamble, and you find yourself getting a crash course on this or that new character's motivations and personality at the same time you see them do what they're there to do and then be done. In one particular case, one of this sudden appearances just vanishes, having existed only, apparently, to show a point which is never even really a plot point in the story as it is, and only maybe becoming something to keep in mind in the world after the story ends, that is if you remember that character at all.
You also get crash courses on the nature of certain facts or situations just as they become necessary for the story to progress. It sometimes feels like characters suddenly rise their hands and point out how, hey, they just happen to have this device that will save us all, sorry not to have mentioned it before, didn't occurred to me, nevertheless, day saved -this may not happen just like I've stated it, but that's the feeling you get sometimes-.
There is also a very sharp turn almost exactly at the middle of the story. Almost like this are two different novels in one. Which under certain perspective may make sense, given the subtext of loss, but nonetheless can leave you feeling like everything you read up to that middle point was not as important or necessary as it had seemed to be.
Apart from all of the above, this can be a very enjoyable book, with very interesting and worthwhile ideas.
I'm not a guy who likes sagas anymore, this days when it seems there cannot be any more stand alone genre novels and that all science fiction and fantasy must be part of at least a trilogy, I'm getting fed up with all that, I miss the good old days of stand alone books. Which becomes very ironic in this case for two reasons, one: This book is definitely a stand alone, it in no way is a sequel to The Forever War, doesn't happen in the same universe, different story exploring different issues. Two: I kind of which this book had been at least two, each exploring in depth the implications of each half of this book, because the way it is, you're left wanting to know more about the aborted issues of the first part, and wondering about the consequences of the second part. It could be seen as if the very complex problems visited in the first half, get a deus ex machina solution in the form of the second half, or that the second half could have happen anyway with any of a wide variety of scenarios for the first half.
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5.0 out of 5 starsVerified Purchase
incredible tension
Reviewed in the United States on August 20, 2023
Completely unlike “the Forever War,” not even a sequel, but a tour de force in its own right. War tension from page 1, and then it gets better. About halfway through, Haldeman reveals the true theme of the book, to create forever peace. From that point, every action is... See more
Completely unlike “the Forever War,” not even a sequel, but a tour de force in its own right. War tension from page 1, and then it gets better. About halfway through, Haldeman reveals the true theme of the book, to create forever peace. From that point, every action is focused on those who will try to stop it and finding ways to counter them.
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Jacked In
Reviewed in the United States on October 17, 2012
Julian Class is a physicist working at a university in Texas. But for a week and a half every month, he is also a mechanic in the army. Julian and his platoon of mechanics remotely control advanced robotic infantry devices known as soldierboys via a direct neurological... See more
Julian Class is a physicist working at a university in Texas. But for a week and a half every month, he is also a mechanic in the army. Julian and his platoon of mechanics remotely control advanced robotic infantry devices known as soldierboys via a direct neurological connection at the base of the neck known as a jack. But when the platoon is connected to their soldierboys, they are also connected to each other on a very intimate level. As is pointed out early in the book, each of the ten members of the platoon, five male and five female, are privy to the most private of emotions and memories. When jacked to others, there are no barriers, no walls, no facades, who a person is on the deepest levels is an open secret.

But being jacked is not just available to military personnel. A sizable minority of the civilian population is also jacked, the author believably postulates how this may affect society at large. From potential discrimination and bias of those that are jacked, to a broadening of possibilities for prostitution, to religious organizations sculpting jacked culture to serve their own purposes, the author explores many facets of a jacked society and the use and misuse of the jack within that society.

But Julian and his platoon don't just idly ramble through jungle for the fun of it. For more than a decade, the Ngumi, a loose coalition comprised of many third world countries has fought the industrialized Alliance nations because they control the secret to the nanoforge, an industrial device that allows the creation of anything imaginable given the appropriate materials are fed into it. The Alliance refuses to give up the secrets of the nanoforge and instead doles out strictly controlled allotments to Ngumi nations. So for more than a decade a war has raged against the haves and the have-nots.

The nanoforge not only makes life on Earth easier for many of its people, but it has also been used to create the Jupiter Project. Humanity's largest particle accelerator, literally orbiting the entire circumference of the planet Jupiter. But during the time when Julian is not jacked into a soldierboy, he is part of a small group that discovers something about the Jupiter Project that could threaten Humanity's very existence in the cosmos...

Joe Haldeman deserves a heap of accolades for creating a society where the jack is enmeshed within its culture at every level. Haldeman does a phenomenal job of constructing this society and then placing the reader within it. From the seamy underbelly to the heights of power, the jack is integral and the story simply could not exist without this creation. Haldeman further does an amazing job of showcasing Amelia's (Julian's girlfriend) unabashed curiosity of the jack and the life he shares with his platoon-mates because of it. Haldeman's display of Amelia's envy of the connection he has with those in his platoon (and their connection with him!) is one of many things that makes this story worth reading.

So many good things to say about this story! And yet, only four stars? Unfortunately, while Haldeman's jack and its place within the society he creates is second-to-none, I can't say the same for overall plot. The ending lacked the deep satisfaction a really, really good story should have and the build-up to the end...I wanted to see more of it...not have it described to me as it happened in some distant place. So...Forever Peace may not have the denouement of all denouements, but, it is more than recommended as a study of how something like the jack could alter people and the environment they live in. Overall, with a few caveats, I would definitely recommend this book to others who enjoy reading about different kinds of societies, and, of course, anyone who is a fan of Joe Haldeman but somehow hasn't managed to pick this one up yet.
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Amazing study of what our future could be.
Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2022
This book starts like any normal science fiction, and then blows your mind. It makes you search for hope, find it, lose it again and then...?
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4.0 out of 5 starsVerified Purchase
Very good
Reviewed in the United States on January 31, 2020
I really liked this book. I loved the storyline and the characters. I thought it ended a bit suddenly. I was not ready for the book to end! I look forward to reading more books by this author.
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Decent and diverting, but...there's something missing.
Reviewed in the United States on October 17, 2012
I'll say this to start: I really deeply love Joe Haldeman's work, especially The Forever War. But that said, Forever Peace never really caught fire with me. Haldeman's most famous work was raw and emotional, ripping and depressing in its vivid depiction of the... See more
I'll say this to start: I really deeply love Joe Haldeman's work, especially The Forever War. But that said, Forever Peace never really caught fire with me.

Haldeman's most famous work was raw and emotional, ripping and depressing in its vivid depiction of the emptiness of war.

Forever Peace is different, despite the similarity in title. It's ostensibly about a near-future in which drone warfare has expanded to involve jacked-in hackers running fully connected war robots. They fight against insurgent rebels who have no realistic chance of defeating them, effortlessly slaughtering people with far inferior weaponry. Those who run these machines are at *some* risk, but for the most part they are unhurt by battle damage. They can also fly home from the theater of combat on weekends to see their loved ones. It's a complicated sort of war, and it had the potential for a novel with much introspection about the impersonality and potential inhumanities of this detached, robotic warfare.

But instead Haldeman chose to take it in another direction, one that muddles what commentary he does make on the driving idea of the novel. He begins to put more emphasis on the neural technology that gives rise to the man-machine interface, and how it can be used for entertainment as well as for a grand and bizarre project that would end the entire concept of war forever. As it turns out, this message is weakly formed and changes the narrative direction of the novel so that the entire message ultimately feels weak. It was easy to begin reading this novel, but I didn't find it easy to finish, because by the end I found myself feeling like the characters were all dispassionate Don Quixotes, as contradictory and strange as that might be.

However, points are awarded for the book's polyamorous African American viewpoint character. Talk about nontraditional SF heroes. He's a good guy to get inside the head of for a little while.
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Captivating and believable fiction!
Reviewed in the United Kingdom on October 28, 2017
Fantastic exploration of technology and the effects on society. Wonderfully complex characters and world changing events. Loved it and would love a follow up!
Fantastic exploration of technology and the effects on society. Wonderfully complex characters and world changing events. Loved it and would love a follow up!

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One of my favourites
Reviewed in Australia on August 5, 2018
I love the imagination of this author. I love his ideas about the possibilities of human to human electronic interface. Also touches on the metaphysical concepts of enlightenment and liberation through the breaking down of interpersonal barriers. I would have liked to see...See more
I love the imagination of this author. I love his ideas about the possibilities of human to human electronic interface. Also touches on the metaphysical concepts of enlightenment and liberation through the breaking down of interpersonal barriers. I would have liked to see him go a bit further in that area but I enjoyed what he did.
I love the imagination of this author. I love his ideas about the possibilities of human to human electronic interface.

Also touches on the metaphysical concepts of enlightenment and liberation through the breaking down of interpersonal barriers. I would have liked to see him go a bit further in that area but I enjoyed what he did.

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Reviewed in Canada on February 5, 2016
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tres bon livre
Reviewed in France on September 12, 2013
vraiement un excellent ouvrage, on sent que l'auteur a vecu des mauvais moment dans sa vie et que l'episode post vietnam forge l'atmosphere de cette fiction.
vraiement un excellent ouvrage, on sent que l'auteur a vecu des mauvais moment dans sa vie et que l'episode post vietnam forge l'atmosphere de cette fiction.

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Peaceful
Reviewed in Australia on August 3, 2020
It was peaceful to read.
It was peaceful to read.

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