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Is God too loving to send people to hell?

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Initial post: Jan 24, 2013 4:51:20 AM PST
Sir Pugsly says:
The problem with "the God is too loving" to send anyone to hell argument....is that He doesn't send people to hell. We're standing in it.

Suppose you had the ability to CREATE....but if you did it would CREATE a shipwreck where people were thrashing about trying to stay afloat. You decide it is better to CREATE in order to rescue the people who would remain calm and obedient enough to hold on to you for safety....even though others would violently thrash and kick and make it impossible for you to save them....and therefore drown.
Question...did you heartlessly send these drowning people to the bottom in order to save those you rescued?

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 24, 2013 5:38:25 AM PST
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Brian Curtis says:
So, the world we're currently occupying is "hell"? (looking around)

Good enough for me. Tell your god to stay the frack out of it, we're doing fine without him. YOU may think we're all drowning, but that's your problem.

Posted on Jan 24, 2013 6:39:43 AM PST
M. Galishoff says:
E. Boyd

No.

Posted on Jan 24, 2013 7:12:09 AM PST
King's Kid says:
Only believers have eternal life.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 24, 2013 8:14:21 AM PST
E, God cannot force someone, who freely has chosen to evil to others without showing remorse, to repent, nor can God force anyone to want to be with Him. Peace always in the Most Precious Blood of Christ our Great God and Saviour

Posted on Jan 24, 2013 9:22:52 AM PST
down2erth says:
And God WILL NOT force anyone into an eternity of pain. The wages of sin is DEATH, complete annihilation pure and simple.

Posted on Jan 24, 2013 10:14:39 AM PST
Perpetual masses for deceased believers suggest that there was worry by these for a guaranteed entry to heaven.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 24, 2013 10:27:31 AM PST
Max Flash says:
EB: Suppose you had the ability to CREATE....but if you did it would CREATE a shipwreck where people were thrashing about trying to stay afloat.

Max: If that was the best I could do, I wouldn't expect anyone to consider me God.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 24, 2013 10:36:42 AM PST
down, No, for their shall indeed be "wailing and grinding of teeth", (Matthew 13:42) and also intense thirst amidst the flames of even purgatory too! (Luke 16;24). hard to do when one doesn't exist! Peace always in the Most Precious Blood of Jesus our Great God and Saviour

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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 24, 2013 12:36:55 PM PST
down2erth says:
Well, that's another approach, though I don't quite agree . . .
Is this from the Bahai faith? I'm not familiar with your quotation.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 24, 2013 12:44:48 PM PST
down2erth says:
Do you not understand that Jesus taught with parables? Or do you think that people in Heaven and Hades can talk to each other?

Adamic death was conquered by Christ, but "second death" is extinction.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 24, 2013 2:27:24 PM PST
Down, Indeed, and parables are based on truth, as Jesus even affirms the reality of hell and it's sufferings, for those who do evil to others and show no remorse. (Matthew 25:46), where there shall be wailing and grinding of teeth. hard to do when one does not exist! Peace always in the Most Precious Blood of Christ our Great God and Saviour

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 24, 2013 4:33:41 PM PST
Sir Pugsly says:
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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 24, 2013 5:01:52 PM PST
down2erth says:
What an awful God you must worship, who would impose terrible torture on men; I worship a God of justice and love, who "loved the world so much he gave his only-begotten Son..." .

Posted on Jan 24, 2013 5:14:08 PM PST
M. Galishoff says:
Consider the "fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom"

And the following:

The fear of the Lord, therefore, may be defined reverence mingled with honour and fear. It is not strange that the same mind can entertain both feelings; for he who considers with himself what kind of a father God is to us, will see sufficient reason, even were there no hell, why the thought of offending him should seem more dreadful than any death. But so prone is our carnal nature to indulgence in sin, that, in order to curb it in every way, we must also give place to the thought that all iniquity is abomination to the Master under whom we live; that those who, by wicked lives, provoke his anger, will not escape his vengeance.

Calvin, J., & Beveridge, H. (1845). Vol. 2: Institutes of the Christian religion (127). Edinburgh: The Calvin Translation Society.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 24, 2013 5:23:05 PM PST
down2erth says:
Very true - our worship is based on love and honour, not fear of torture.

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Down, I worship a God of mercy indeed, who assumed our humanity and shed every last ounce of His Blood for us all, and I worship the same God who is kind enough to warn us of the reality of Hell for those who do evil to others and show no remorse, where there shall be wailing and grinding of teeth, (Matthew 13:42) and even intense thirst even in purgatory. (Luke 16:24, Luke 12:47, 1 Corinthians 3:15), where one is CHASTENED when judged by the Lord as to NOT be condemned, (1 Corinthians 11:32, James 2:13, Matthew 12:36, Luke 6:37,38). Peace always in the Most Precious Blood of Jesus our Great God and Saviour

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 24, 2013 6:18:13 PM PST
down2erth says:
So you are saying: mercy=torture . . .

I will continue to worship a God of love and mercy and justice, who sent his only-begotten Son to earth to be a sacrifice for us all, so long as we accept Him and are guided by His will.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 24, 2013 6:20:56 PM PST
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down, NO, the bible is saying mercy=sacrifice, chastening, (Hebrews 12:6, 1 Corinthians 11:32, Luke 16:24) and eternal torture, wailing and grinding of teeth, is for those who do evil to others, and show no remorse. Peace always in the Most Precious Blood of Jesus our Great God and Saviour

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 24, 2013 6:25:28 PM PST
M. Galishoff says:
Matthew

Good evening brother. What you say is true. Calvin's point here is that God's intrinsic majesty, holiness and beauty is sufficient cause for fear (reverence), adoration and honor. And yet despite God's intrinsic infinite worthiness we sin against him! Even if there were no hell we would act the same. And many here have proclaimed that there is no hell and God does not punish the wicked (despite too many passages in Scripture to list) yet even this "tame" no-god of their imagination does not elicit fear, adoration and honor but sin.

Consider Adam before the fall. Although he was given one prohibition and a consequence until he knew sin he did not fully know death and punishment. Yet before him was our God and before our God was man without sin or fear of wrath. How worth is our God! Yet Adam sinned. We really do not fully how he was capable of it yet he did. And here we are.

We love and serve a just God who hates sin and must punish evil. God is love yet his love is as hot as a refiner's fire destroying what is impure and perfecting we who are saved by the precious blood of Christ, Jesus.

Thus I say to anyone who proclaims a god of their own imagination that overlooks all sin and is just a big fuzzy Santa and all things they think he should be: if so why do you sin against him?

Grace and Peace.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 24, 2013 6:26:34 PM PST
M. Galishoff says:
down2earth

Hi. Nice to meet you. Yes you are correct. And our repentance is thus of contrition and not attrition. This is a critical concept that many people do not appreciate.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 24, 2013 6:27:34 PM PST
M. Galishoff says:
Glad you got that cleared up.

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Posted on Jan 24, 2013 6:32:33 PM PST
M. Galishoff says:
Purgatory is liken to a runny nose that never stops. Drip, Drip, Drip.

BTW all - there is a new strain of a stomach virus that is quite bad, highly contagious and is spreading like wildfire. Dehydration is the main danger. It is a strain that we likely have no natural immunity to. These things happen. Schools and places where kids and people are close together are the breeding ground.

Practice strict hand washing with soap and water. Don't rely on those alcohol-based sanitizers.

Seen some cases and if you are older or have medical problems don't hesitate to go and get a bag or two of IV fluids -- it could prevent major complications.

Love to all and be well. Lots of sickness out there. Worst year I have seen in a long time.
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