Industrial Deals Beauty Silent Corner STEM nav_sap_plcc_ascpsc Starting at $39.99 Wickedly Prime Handmade Wedding Shop Book House Cleaning powers4premiere powers4premiere powers4premiere  Doppler $139.99 All-New Fire HD 8, starting at $79.99 Kindle Oasis GNO Shop Now toystl17_gno
Customer Discussions > Christianity forum

All true Christians have a duty to back Obama's healthcare reforms.


Sort: Oldest first | Newest first
Showing 51-75 of 984 posts in this discussion
In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012, 12:47:42 PM PST
[Deleted by Amazon on Jul 15, 2016, 3:30:07 PM PDT]

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012, 12:51:11 PM PST
[Deleted by Amazon on Jul 15, 2016, 3:30:08 PM PDT]

Posted on Nov 28, 2012, 1:33:38 PM PST
Kevin Bold says:
All Christians -- and Jews, and Muslims, and Hindus, and Buddhists, and atheists, and whatever else is out there -- have a duty to resist socialist tyranny.

Including Obamacare.

Posted on Nov 28, 2012, 1:43:58 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 28, 2012, 1:46:45 PM PST
A Customer says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012, 1:48:36 PM PST
Right, because that might mean somebody without a job could get food, or medical care...and they won't deserve it!

Arbeit macht frei!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012, 2:13:43 PM PST
Kevin Bold says:
Nazis believed in universal health care, prunie.

What other Nazi beliefs do liberals share?

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012, 2:27:57 PM PST
Sean B says:
mrs exp says: We need the young in the program so that their small use of it will balance out the medical problems of the older people.

=====

"NNNOOOOOooooo!" -Luke Skywalker

"From each according to ability, to each according to need." This is the definition of communism! It's not that I'm afraid of scary terms, just scary programs where all factors of production come under control of the elite and everyone else pays. History repeats itself, again.

Sean

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012, 2:32:45 PM PST
Sean B says:
mrs exp says: If Christian charity had done the job that needed to be done, the government wouldn't have stepped in to do the job. So what makes you thing Christian charity would do it now.

=====

Christians and other people may or may not contribute enough resources to help all those in need, but it must be voluntary, giving the fruits of your labor to help someone out because you want to.

Right now, I'm doing both - giving through my church of preference and compulsory `giving' to the IRS. I'd rather give the amount I desire to, to the organization/ causes of my choice.

Communism does not work. It has great promises of solving all sorts of things. The Germans has socialized medicine and it worked out alright, until a really, really bad guy came to power and decided that certain populations (disabled, terminally ill) were getting too expensive to sustain it. Then, well, all hell broke loose on an entire population.

Sound far-fetched? I hope so...

Sean

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012, 2:38:22 PM PST
Rev Otter says:
<<"From each according to ability, to each according to need.">>

Acts 4:34-35 :)

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012, 2:45:23 PM PST
mrs exp says:
Sean B,
I too hate taxes. I'd rather not give my money for wars. But I'd rather give to the government than see people without health care. And there is a difference between socialism and communism.

Gee, France, England and Sweden and others have universal health care and they are not communist nor facist.
exp

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012, 3:06:12 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 28, 2012, 3:10:41 PM PST
MC Zaptone says:
I don't know why Americans are so hung up on anything that they deem socialist, I doubt many could give me an example of a modern socialist country and why it is so terrible. Personally I think it's brain washing left over from the cold war. For example, Britain is not a socialist country nor most of the western world but we all pay our taxes and national insurance contribution, that in turn pays for our healthcare when we are sick and helps with welfare benefits and rent/mortgage payments if you are out of work. You pay in, so you can take out (if needed) that is just common sense and dignifies those citizens that may be temporarily down on their luck or ill. Some things are more important than Free Market philosophy and the health of your fellow countrymen should be one of them, in my opinion. As for a government power grab, I really don't think so, Obama's office would have taken a long hard look at the systems in place around the world and realised it can only be done for altruistic reasons as there is no money to be made and very little political glory in running a national healthcare service.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012, 3:15:14 PM PST
Rev Otter says:
<<an example of a modern socialist country>>

Israel.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012, 3:20:15 PM PST
Would this mean the opposite would apply? All who claim to be a true atheist should unbrace it.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012, 3:23:26 PM PST
MC Zaptone says:
unbrace or unembrace? I guess if they wanted.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012, 3:26:30 PM PST
Kevin Bold says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

Posted on Nov 28, 2012, 3:33:36 PM PST
MC Zaptone says:
Rev. Otter "<<an example of a modern socialist country>> Israel. OK, but a terrible one? Obviously without going into it's foreign policies or it's conflict with Palestinians I would say that Israel a decent working model, that probably came about from necessity. Having people from all over the world come and live in a newish country that was under attack from day one (and I'm not taking sides here) they probably felt it was the right thing to build together.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012, 3:41:51 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 28, 2012, 3:42:41 PM PST
MC Zaptone says:
Kevin Bold. Where do you get this weird information? No they were Communist states, there is a world of difference, (I refer you to my point on brain washing!) Britain has had a Labour (socialist) government before now, in fact you probably remember it's leader Tony Blair who worked so closely with your proceeding government. He was democratically voted into power, their police didn't carry guns (so hardly totalitarian) and I believe people there were still allowed fish and chips and sunday roasts rather than rats and tree barks.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012, 3:46:31 PM PST
mrs exp says:
Sean B,
I too hate taxes. I'd rather not give my money for wars. But I'd rather give to the government than see people without health care. And there is a difference between socialism and communism.

Gee, France, England and Sweden and others have universal health care and they are not communist nor facist.
exp

PJA Agreed.....Spot on......

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012, 3:49:13 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 28, 2012, 3:55:11 PM PST
Kevin Bold says:
[Customers don't think this post adds to the discussion. Show post anyway. Show all unhelpful posts.]

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012, 4:04:58 PM PST
M. C. Williams wrote: "Anyone who claims to be a true Christian would surely embrace this."

Health insurance was the very first component of Chancellor Otto von Bismarck's landmarck social legislation. According the the 4 May 1881 entry in Moritz Busch's "Bismarck: Some secret pages from his history," Macmillan, New York (1898) Vol. II, p. 282-283 Bismarck; some secret pages of his history, being a diary kept by Dr. Moritz Busch during twenty-five years' official and private intercourse with the great Chancellor Volume 1 , Bismarck had described his proposed legislative program as "practical Christianity."

Krankenversicherungsgesetz (1883) [Sickness Insurance Act]
Unfallversicherungsgesetz (1884) [Accident Insurance Act]
Alters-und Invaliditätsversicherungsgesetz (1889) [Old Age and Disability Pension Act]

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012, 4:19:36 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 28, 2012, 4:19:56 PM PST
RKG says:
here is what i find mind boggling

some posters here who call themselves christians clearly state that they do not give a farthing about the poor and the less advantanged.

on the other hand, some posters here, who would be termed atheists/agnostics/unbelievers clearly state that they do give a farthing about the poor and the less advantanged.

ah well - i guess God will have to sort it all out.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 28, 2012, 4:23:22 PM PST
RKG says:
it's only the selfish, money grubbing immoral, amoral segment of the american populace that are so hung up. there are some of us that are not.

you will find christians are not hung up on such materialist warped amoral world view.

Posted on Nov 28, 2012, 4:35:32 PM PST
RKG says:
so here we are again -back again to a discussion predicated on the false dichotomy of workfare v welfare. The present day money grabbers that Jesus whipped and chased out of the temple have succeeded in creating an economy where the typical low income wage earner needs both welfare and workfare. he/she works a full-time job, then attempts to get food stamps, since he/she doesn't make enough income from his/her hard work. in essence, this is government welfare to corporate america, as federal dollars fill in the gaps so corporations can pay sub-human wages. corporate america is now enjoying record profits on the backs of citizens and ably supported by the immoral and amoral few.

how can a christian claim to love Christ yet thinks the poor should eat cake? How can a chrisitan claim to love Christ while fighting so hard to stop universal health care that would be provided to the poor? How can a christian claim to love Christ?

i have come to realize the answer is very simple - they are christians in name only and Christ will do the i never knew you, you worker of iniquity - depart from me!

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2012, 3:50:15 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Nov 29, 2012, 3:54:23 AM PST
MC Zaptone says:
Kevin, I've got to laugh, mate. "Socialism is a failure. You will never live in a world where other people will enjoy paying all your bills. So forget it. It's not going to happen." What about Communism is that a failure too?
Although I agree that Free-Market Capitalism suits our natural greed along with the "I'm doing OK, Joe" attitude, it is, an EPIC fail of almost unparalleled proportions. Sure, at present we enjoy freedoms some countries can only dream of BUT let's not fool ourselves, most peoples decent standard of living and avid consumerism has been enjoyed through credit (card) based finance and mortgages, the Free-marketeers who provide that credit have got their math so badly wrong that America can only continue with it's 'way of life' at the behest of Communist China who it now owes in excess of two trillion dollars. over 80% of your household goods are now produced in Communist China and the U.S. government are furious that the Chinese keep the Yen artificially low stating that America can't compete, even though they have done exactly the same in the past. China have pointed out rather insolently, that this is how free-trade works BUT have recently said that they will consider levelling up the Yen and the playing field when their economy is five times stronger than America's.
China, a Communist country decided to open up it's trade doors and try it's hand at Capitalistic money making, it looked at the master, learnt quickly and within twenty years won the game outright.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 29, 2012, 4:25:37 AM PST
Astrocat says:
Of course the Affordable Care Act is not Socialism, but if it were I would be every bit as much in favor of it. The ACA will help bring the US into the 21st century and bring us up to par with the much more enlightened European countries who have embraced Socialism for years. When this country is as concerned with the health of the poor as with that of the wealthy then we will be pulling ourselves out of the dark ages we've been in.
[Add comment]
Add your own message to the discussion
To insert a product link use the format: [[ASIN:ASIN product-title]] (What's this?)
Prompts for sign-in
 


Recent discussions in the Christianity forum

  Discussion Replies Latest Post
Announcement
Amazon Discussions Feedback Forum
1261 7 days ago
I completely understand now why Mormons aren't Christians. 6739 10 minutes ago
Unity 25 20 minutes ago
My Mob's pub and coffee shop, Part the ummm 13th 8905 57 minutes ago
Are you washed? 96 59 minutes ago
Indiana Don't Ask Don't Tell? 27 1 hour ago
Jesus said... "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no man cometh unto the Father but by Me." John 14:6 Part Three 2597 1 hour ago
How does hell make the universe a better place? 1852 1 hour ago
Catholic-Protestant Discussion XXXVII 2023 2 hours ago
Agnosticism is fake religion 276 7 hours ago
Last Day Biblical Prophecy is in the process of being fulfilled, the stage is being set, are you ready? Part Three 3999 10 hours ago
Jesus' true Church today would have CURRENT REVELATION FROM GOD! 8559 18 hours ago
 

This discussion

Discussion in:  Christianity forum
Participants:  68
Total posts:  984
Initial post:  Nov 28, 2012
Latest post:  Nov 16, 2013

New! Receive e-mail when new posts are made.
Tracked by 2 customers