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Does Mitt Romney believe in evolution?


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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 12:25:36 PM PDT
mrs exp says:
charles,
You know that I am a Christian and fundamental, but while I have been somewhat disappointed in Obama I will probably vote for him in the next election.
exp

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 12:26:00 PM PDT
mrs exp says:
charles,
A special mission to the Red Planet has revealed the likely presence of a form of pond scum - the building blocks of life as we know it.
He also said that the detection of methane in the martian atmosphere - as revealed exclusively by The Sun - raised the possibility that there was still life on Mars today.
NASA has so far been able to download data - but many believe there are aliens out there.
British physicist Stephen Hawking said this week aliens might be traveling through the cosmos right now - but he warned they might have evil intentions.

Building blocks are not life. I resent my tax dollars being spent on this wild goose chase.
exp

PJA. I would resent my tax money being spent on funding religion

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 12:26:03 PM PDT
Very interesting results but also very controversial.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 12:26:36 PM PDT
mrs exp says:
charles,
There is more evidence for God then there is for life other than that on earth. Talk about faith.
exp

PJA: Go ahead, show us it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 12:28:21 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 29, 2012, 12:29:02 PM PDT
mrs exp says:
Philip J Allen,
I think any religious group who take tax money from the government is asking for the government to control their religion as has happened in recent time. I am against religious groups from taking any tax money.
exp
I'm also resent my tax money being spent on war.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 12:32:44 PM PDT
mrs exp says:
Philip J Allen,
I think any religious group who take tax money from the government is asking for the government to control their religion as has happened in recent time. I am against religious groups from taking any tax money.
exp

PJA On that I agree....

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 12:33:47 PM PDT
What about religious groups who take tax money for purely secular purposes, like charity work without an explicit religious content?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 12:34:26 PM PDT
arpard fazakas says:
What about religious groups who take tax money for purely secular purposes, like charity work without an explicit religious content?

PJA . Name one

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 12:38:05 PM PDT
mrs exp says:
arpard fazakas,
That is where some of the problems started. Catholics have closed their adoption services because the government told them they had to place children in homosexual homes. Now I don't necessarily object to that but if you take government money you have to go by government rules. That is where the danger of taking government money lies for religious groups.

I think it's better to keep the government from religious groups charity or otherwise.
exp

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 12:43:57 PM PDT
Bubba says:
Was the electrician a Republican? :)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 12:48:46 PM PDT
Bubba says:
What evidence do you have of this?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 12:51:16 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 29, 2012, 12:52:17 PM PDT
M. Simonson says:
"What about religious groups who take tax money for purely secular purposes, like charity work without an explicit religious content? "

Big problem with that one. It sounds good at first, but it's a formula for disaster. Rick Warren asked that of Obama and he properly answered "the devil is in the details".
Here is what will happen. Let's say there is a large church with a foodbank and 1/3 of the funds go to the food bank. The org is in place, there is more need, so the govt pitches in to double the money available for food. Sounds like the cheapest way to provide a service at first. But what if donations fall off a bit and the church decides to put less of it's own funds into the foodbank so they don't have to lay off junior pastors?
Money is fungible, it's the same thing as the govt supporting the church. And don't think that these people won't do stuff like that. Most will have good intentions, but they will error (and probably break criminal law in the process).

Of course there is one way to ensure they don't cheat, the govt is responsible for monitoring the use of it's funds, so the govt absolutely must monitor the Church's finances.
Not a good idea.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 12:58:29 PM PDT
Bubba says:
arpard fazakas says: "What about religious groups who take tax money for purely secular purposes, like charity work without an explicit religious content?"

Then those groups get in a snit when they are not allowed to use their religious beliefs to discriminate when providing those services.

http://www.advocate.com/news/daily-news/2011/06/08/catholic-charities-asserts-right-discriminate

http://www.care2.com/causes/illinois-catholic-charities-cant-discriminate-against-gay-couples.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Charities#Discrimination_based_on_sexual_orientation

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2011/12/29/catholic-adoption-agencies-whine-because-illinois-isnt-giving-them-tax-money-to-discriminate/

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 1:02:12 PM PDT
I have no idea whether such an organization actually exists or not.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 1:02:35 PM PDT
Agree that if you take government money there are strings attached.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 1:03:10 PM PDT
Good points.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 1:17:15 PM PDT
M. Simonson says:
"I have no idea whether such an organization actually exists or not."

I had a relation working for one, I think the rules work like this but don't know all the details.
- The county or state wishes to provide a service
- Rather than staff up and hire employees they issue a contract
- The contractor may be a church or non-profit
- The contractor is required to provide the service. They are subject to auditing, accountability and transparency like any other contract.

The only difference is there is no "profit" if the org it's self is non-profit. Also there are differences in the constitution between State and National government, so there is a big difference between a county doing this and having a national policy.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 6:08:47 PM PDT
Banished says:
"No one has observed evolution. "

You are simply wrong. I realize you have no interest in the facts, but someone might be reading that crap and think you are telling the truth. You aren't.

"Variation within species is not evolution."

Of course it is. Tell us, mrs e, what is the line of demarcation or barrier to the tiny variations over millions of years resulting in a separate species? Do you have ANY idea what you're talking about?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 6:15:58 PM PDT
AxeGrrl says:
Irish Lace wrote: "Tell us, mrs e, what is the line of demarcation or barrier to the tiny variations over millions of years resulting in a separate species?"
~~~~

Hey IL, you need to repeat this question to pantheos in the "I Lost (faith) and found (reality)" thread on the religion board! I brought this up to him and he just said:

"What is that mechanism? I don't know; you don't know; evolutionary biologists don't know; but it exists whether you want to admit it or not."

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 6:20:57 PM PDT
mrs exp says:
Bubba,
The Bible.
exp

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 6:24:00 PM PDT
mrs exp says:
Irish Lace,
There is the barrier that God put there when he created the kinds of sea, air and land animals. If you breed dogs you get dogs, if you breed cattle you get cattle and so forth.
exp

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 6:30:37 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 29, 2012, 6:37:57 PM PDT
B. Josephson says:
No, but steretyping based solely on one's religon or lack of religion is still IMO wrong to do Charles.

But thanks for not responding to what I said, but changing the subject.

My point is not to say that religion does not matter, but it is not the only matter.

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kaambwaat

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 6:34:27 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 29, 2012, 6:36:28 PM PDT
Truthseeker says:
Which Mitt Romney are you talking about?

The Mitt Romney who is trying to woo the Bible Belters of the South who don't trust him?
Or the neoliberal "conservative" Mitt who ran for governor of Massechusetts.

Mitt Romney is a congenital liar does not believe in anything - he does not have principles.
All he cares about is winning.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 6:35:32 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 29, 2012, 7:08:43 PM PDT
B. Josephson says:
Phillip I agree that Republicans have tried to block what Obama did, but I see some democrats doing the same thing with Republican presidents.

To me this is a sad thing to see, a knee-jerk reaction to p0licies that might help, and a lack of care for the fact that our country suffers from little bipartisan politics.

We have to come to a point where we don't say those guys are evil and we are good, and get down to seeing how all of us can make things better.

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kaambwaat

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2012, 6:37:05 PM PDT
B. Josephson says:
Yes, a very sad thing, that is one example of where I wished bipartisanship had NOT worked. Another example is the Patriot Act.

Best Wishes,
Shaamba Kaambwaat
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