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Israel, God's judgments and the last days we are living in; Part Three

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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 22, 2012, 9:28:10 AM PDT
Ajqueen fo you live in miami?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 22, 2012, 1:43:47 PM PDT
Yes Cheri, but, your personal relationship with Jesus seem also to entail some pretty fringe beliefs, like endtimes. Armageddon and tribulation, and all the nastiness and blood letting that accompanies this modern and very americanised form of Christian eschatology.

Social conservatism. Cynicism towards the scientific method. The general demonising of liberal philosophy. The us vs. them, in vs. out mentality. The cosmic provincialism and anthropocentrism.

How's about the latest enthusiasm in Christian circles for the so called art of a realist painter whose name escapes me, of a very American, very white looking Jesus, in linens only the top one percent of wage earners in his era could have afforded, handing the Constitution to past presidents, a child, a reverent marine, and others on the steps of the Capital building? Hmmm....

Me thinks that Christianity is suffering heavily under the weight of such misguided metaphysical fantasy.

I respect faith when authentically espoused and practiced. Faith that is non-rational rather than irrational. There's a difference.

If faith in the particular Jesus I've described entails my subscribing to any of the above, then I ain't ever gonna get there my good friend.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 22, 2012, 1:47:54 PM PDT
BKN says:
Sure sounds like it.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 22, 2012, 1:56:25 PM PDT
Hello B.

I'll be in fine company.

The pub conversation in hell will a lot better than in your heaven.

Much finer minds. Much finer. The heat not withstanding.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 22, 2012, 1:57:40 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 22, 2012, 2:27:03 PM PDT
Bryan Borich says:
And it's cooler than heaven too......

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 22, 2012, 3:12:37 PM PDT
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BKN says:
Fantasy is flooding your mind...even pubs, for eternity, sounds horrible, but that won't be the way it will all. Nor the "heat" mentioned, (and not the ones who won last night.)
Well, I guess this ends our chat. I am sorry you maintain such a glib attitude about something that will be a real experience, but you think it is not true. Too bad. Whatever God says...IS.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 22, 2012, 3:27:12 PM PDT
Bryan Borich says:
Which is why you are in Hell now :)......

Till you fix yourself.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 22, 2012, 4:14:14 PM PDT
OSAS says:
Amen BN!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 22, 2012, 5:29:29 PM PDT
ajqueen says:
Alexander Clarke says:
Ajqueen fo you live in miami?

ajq: Alexander, no, I live in Maryland. Im just excited to see Lebron finally get a championship.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012, 3:25:40 AM PDT
Allan says:
T. D. Mills says: The only thing you expose is your ignorance to Biblical truth Allan. You will be held to account for every word out of your mouth that defames born again believers, so keep it up!

Allan: By whom, TDM?

SWMBO, perhaps, but She is the full extent of the matter.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012, 3:29:30 AM PDT
Allan says:
B. Nixon says: Fantasy is flooding your mind...even pubs, for eternity, sounds horrible,

Allan: Compared with floating around in white robes singing praises for all eternity and counting all the precious jewels which abound I'll take the pub any time.

Especially one with a good jazz combo, which I much prefer to harps.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012, 8:15:49 AM PDT
I dropped out of Part Two of this thread a long time ago because of the drivel and mutual backslapping being posted. This morning I was curious as to whether anything useful was being said in Part Three. NADA! Your comments, Philip, are the only rational observations I found.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012, 8:35:52 AM PDT
OSAS says:
"But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the Day of Judgment." Matt 12:36

..."Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me...And these will go away into everlasting punishment..." Matthew 25:40, 46

Posted on Jun 23, 2012, 8:48:42 AM PDT
OSAS says:
70 ROCKETS FIRED AT ISRAEL FROM GAZA ON WEDNESDAY: 120+ fired at Israel since Monday; schools closed

"Five rockets hit southern Israel early Thursday morning, hours after Hamas announced it would be willing to cease its fire on Israel," reports the Times of Israel. "There were no reports of injuries or damage after the Kassam rockets slammed into the Eshkol region. A number or rockets hit open areas near the Gaza Strip later in the day, with no reports of injuries or damage. The Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigade, Hamas's military wing, announced on Wednesday evening that it is prepared to cooperate with Egyptian efforts to end the current round of rocket fire into Israel provided that Israel also cease its air strikes on Gaza. The announcement came after three days of attacks and counter-attacks between Israel and the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip. Since Monday, over 120 missiles have been fired into Israel, including more than 70 fired on Wednesday alone. One rocket was shot down by the Iron Dome anti-missile defense system near Netivot....Also Thursday morning, Ashkelon Mayor Benny Vaknin announced classes in the seaside city would be canceled after two rockets were fired on the city Wednesday night. One rocket was shot down by Iron Dome and the second landed in an open area near the city. On Wednesday evening, Israeli Air Force jets bombed terrorist targets in the Gaza Strip following an unremitting rocket and mortar barrage on southern Israeli towns throughout the day."

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 23, 2012, 8:17:53 PM PDT
Tinker says:
I believe you are throwing out stereotypes you have seen on TV or in different places. I love science and feel there is no threat to Christianity at all. Not all Christians enjoy studying endtimes nor do they believe in the same way I do. It is a blessing to us when we look forward to His return, but it doesn't give you salvation or forgiveness of your sins.

I am for good morals and honesty in all people. It has nothing to do with social conservatism or politics. Don't you believe that people should have a moral code and be the best to others they can be? I'm sure your co-worker and friend who is a Christian has many qualities you admire. I would hope you see some qualities in me that are not like those you see in some and have disdain for them.

I have no idea what artist/picture you are talking about. Christians know that Jesus was Jewish with the features prominent with Jews at that time. Dark hair and eyes, I'm pretty sure, but not blue eyed or blond. That is just common sense. I think most of us, no matter what race, at times think of Jesus in the way we are - it's just natural. However, I see Him as a Jew, the King of Jews.

There is no us vs. them, except in people who are against Christianity. That is where I see it happen most consistently, especially on these forums.

You have to look at the life of Jesus, how He lived, what He taught, why He came and decide if this is what you want in your life. He gives forgiveness of your sins - how is this a downside? I will say many people, because of their pride, don't want to admit some of their sins. Jesus doesn't care what we have done, sin is sin.

Becoming a follower of Jesus is to ask Him to forgive your sins and to come into your life. If you pray this prayer in sincerity and with a humble spirit, He will come into your life.

For some reason, you seem to think that you will turn into something different, sort of like the change in the Hulk! No, if there is any change, it is for the better. God will just change your heart into a new Spirit, His Spirit will come in and indwell you. God living within you.

You once said that if you could believe in the Jesus of the Bible, you would. Jesus is 'the same yesterday, today and tomorrow'. You have nothing to lose. Everything to gain.

Posted on Jun 24, 2012, 11:04:22 AM PDT
Tinker says:
I will be on my new path in a few days, name change and everything. I no longer will be mistaken for another culture/race when people look for me after seeing my name. I am truly becoming who i was. No more fear in my own home. Thank you Jesus, your mercy endures forever.

Thanks so much for your prayers! I'm fighting a severe migraine but will try to post tomorrow.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012, 11:48:45 AM PDT
BKN says:
Sounds really promising, I am happy this phase is...OVER.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012, 11:55:37 AM PDT
Tinker says:
Me too, Barbara, me too. My journey is beginning and God has great things for me ahead. He will 'move my mountain', this house, I know.

Posted on Jun 24, 2012, 12:13:10 PM PDT
Tinker says:
A great article n the rapture that answers many of the common objections we have seen here.



The next event on God's prophetic clock is the Rapture, a word that is derived from the Latin word rapturo, meaning, "a snatching away." The Rapture is that dramatic moment when the Lord Jesus Christ comes in clouds of glory to remove from this world all who have died in Christ along with the living from the Day of Pentecost until Christ comes to "snatch" His children upward and home in the twinkling of an eye. I Thessalonians 4:16-18 teaches: "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, with the trump of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first; Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

This event will occur at breakneck speed - in the "twinkling of an eye." Scientists have measured the twinkling in a human being's eye, and it amounts to eleven-one hundredths of a second. Those left on the earth will not know what hit them. A business colleague will suddenly be gone. A schoolteacher will no longer stand before his or her desk as the chalk falls to the floor. A doctor will not show up for his rounds. There will be no nurses at many hospitals to administer medicine, take pulses, or follow doctors' orders. Dirty dishes will be left in the sink as a housewife disappears from the view of her stunned family. The Rapture will precipitate the greatest traffic jams in history as cars suddenly become driverless and pedestrians run for cover. It will be that moment in history, when, without warning, the Lord says, "Come up hither" (Revelation 4:1). It will be the greatest escape in the history of the world.

There are those who say that the pretribulational viewpoint began in 1830 and was propagated by Edward Irving, J. N. Darby, and Margaret McDonald, a retarded girl. But as we shall see, that is not so.

St. Victorinus, the bishop of Pettau, wrote a commentary on the book of Revelation in AD 270. he said he saw another great and wonderful sign: "Seven angels having the last seven plagues, for in them is completed the indignation of God. And these shall be in the last time when the church shall have gone out of the midst." St. Victorinus was talking about the Rapture.

Here is more powerful documentation on a pretrib Rapture. The early Christian writer and poet Ephraem the Syrian (who lived from AD 306 to 373) was a major theologian of the early Byzantine Eastern Church. To this day, his hymns and homilies are used in the liturgy of the Greek Orthodox and Middle Eastern Nestorian Churches. He also wrote a large number of commentaries that have never been translated in English. Concerning a pretrib Rapture he stated: "All the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."

Thus, this teaching is not a present-day innovation but a doctrinal statement dating back seventeen centuries to St. Victorinus, and twenty centuries back to Jesus and Paul. However, there is more. In the sixteenth century there were also those who expressed absolute assurance of the Rapture. Hugh Latimer, burned at the stake for his faith in 1555, said, "It may come in my days, old as I am, or in my children's days, the saints shall be taken up to meet Christ in the air and so shall come down with him again." Joseph Mede, the great sixteenth-century literalist, understood I Thessalonians 4:13-18 to teach the catching up of the saints and even used the word Rapture. This was also 250 years before Irving, Darby, and McDonald.

While the Rapture is not taught in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, you will find it mentioned twice in the Gospel of John. This is important to remember: Any other time you read about Christ's return in the Gospels, it is not referring to the Rapture. Instead, these are references to the second phase of Christ's return, when He physically comes back to earth to rule over the earth after a seven-year tribulation period.

Where are the two Rapture texts found in the Gospel of John? John 14:1-3: "Let not your heart be troubled; ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also." This is not His coming to the earth, but a time when Jesus receives us unto Himself at the great Rapture - the snatching away - to be with Him in heaven as the seven years of torment play out their unbridled fury on the earth.

The second reference to the Rapture is in John 11:25-26. I must confess that I quoted the passage for years and did not really understand it. Christ said: "I am the resurrection, and the life; he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" Jesus is contrasting those who experience death and live again ("the dead in Christ shall rise first" I Thessalonians 4:16) with those who never experience death (because "we which are alive and remain" are caught up without dying, I Thessalonians 4:17).

In the upcoming weeks, we will direct our attention to those events that are leading up to the Rapture, the Rapture itself, and what happens once God's chosen are caught away to be with the Lord. The Rapture is not science fiction. It's a coming reality. The good news for the person who is prepared is - when the Rapture comes, believers will go home to be with the Lord and evade earth's horrendous seven years of Tribulation. The believer in the Lord Jesus Christ will, at long last, be the recipient of that blessed hope. There will be no more tears, no more suffering, and no more dying for those who have received their new, glorified bodies without sin or sickness for all eternity. It is from this perspective - the pretribulation point of view - that I approach this subject with godly reverence

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012, 3:13:11 PM PDT
OSAS says:
Amen! Praying for you Cheri, I hope you feel better soon. Love Tonya

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012, 3:14:21 PM PDT
OSAS says:
Amen Cheri, just keep your eyes on Jesus and He will take care of the rest!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012, 3:24:00 PM PDT
OSAS says:
Thanks Cheri, a great article.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012, 4:16:13 PM PDT
Tinker says:
Thanks so much. I'm feeling much better after a nap. Sleep helped.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012, 4:56:10 PM PDT
OSAS says:
Glad to hear you are feeling better, migraines are miserable!
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