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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012, 8:45:41 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012, 9:11:22 AM PDT
dischism says:
Lily

< You know, I'm participating in one thread where 3/4 of the participating posters are on ignore. That says something about the kind of people posting.>

Good grief!

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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012, 9:24:17 AM PDT
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G. J. Stein says:
@Clarence H. Richmond:

Ok, I like the way you show concern for the dignity of all religions. It's indeed a challenging concept, (sad for me to say that), and is relevant to the current topic in here about RCC bashing. Contrasting Islam to my Christianity is certainly potent, but you made your point!

When it comes to bashing, I think healthy debates about biblical interpretation cannot be avoided and shouldn't be taken personal, after all, it's God's word; and ultimately His offense or not. Never the less, the militant atheists around these parts certainly causes one-and-all believers to appreciate, with a common appreciation, their belief and veneration of the creator God, in spite of some differences interpreting His will.

I have to say though, if you take Christ out of Christianity and leave Him in the Old Testament, you're left with __ianity, (like Xmas), and perhaps that's good enough for you, but I assume you allow the same dignity for it even though it is what it claims to be, true or false, etc.?

CLR: "I'm a Spiritualist I believe that we are all connected to the God in heaven spiritually and cannot be separated from him for any reason he is spirit and we are sprits in the flesh we are one with him SPIRITUALLY".

So then you recognize my religion, the same as you acknowledge all the rest, (even though we're sort of being blackmailed by our denominations), but you personally emphasize Spiritualism, because it eliminates the middle man and leaves us with God; Christians are forcing the historic Jesus to be a middle-man!

Is this idea of yours intrinsic or is this the kind of faith you back with scripture; I assume from the Old Testament?

The New Testament should have never been written; the Old is still "The Testament"?

Edit: Sorry if I keep leaning towards the need for the bible in here somewhere!
I'm no longer thinking you're a Jew or promoting Judaism, but, am I wrong in assuming you put more emphasis in the Old Covenant and reject the new; or have no use for either?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012, 9:45:29 AM PDT
Astrocat says:
Iatric, to you they're "God's teaching". To many of us that's wishful thinking.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012, 9:47:18 AM PDT
G.J.STEIN

Ok, I like the way you show concern for the dignity of all religions. It's indeed a challenging concept, (sad for me to say that), and is relevant to the current topic in here about RCC bashing. Contrasting Islam to my Christianity is certainly potent, but you made your point!

(Thanks that's my only intention in here to show my view and why I have it so you will understand not here to take anyone away from there beliefs but show them that they can't force it on us non-belivers no matter what your bible or jesus says)

When it comes to bashing, I think healthy debates about biblical interpretation cannot be avoided and shouldn't be taken personal, after all, it's God's word; and ultimately His offense or not. Never the less, the militant atheists around these parts certainly causes one-and-all believers to appreciate, with a common appreciation, their belief and veneration of the creator God, in spite of some differences interpreting His will.

(Well I'm not an Atheist so I'm not like them)

I have to say though, if you take Christ out of Christianity and leave Him in the Old Testament, you're left with __ianity, (like Xmas), and perhaps that's good enough for you, but I assume you allow the same dignity for it even though it is what it claims to be, true or false, etc.?

(Well the problem with that is Christ has nothign to do with christianity "personally" so I'm not trying to take him out of christianity because he was NEVER in it the religon didn't exist when he was alive,jesus never preached,never taught,never wrote,never read christian dioctrine.But if christians would be more honest and truthful about it I wouldn't be in here criticising there beliefs)

CLR: "I'm a Spiritualist I believe that we are all connected to the God in heaven spiritually and cannot be separated from him for any reason he is spirit and we are sprits in the flesh we are one with him SPIRITUALLY".

So then you recognize my religion, the same as you acknowledge all the rest, (even though we're sort of being blackmailed by our denominations), but you personally emphasize Spiritualism, because it eliminates the middle man and leaves us with God!

(YES!!! You finally understand where I'm coming from our relationship with God is "private" and "personal" just like a relationship between husband and wife which doesn't need a middle man or anyone to intercede for whatever reason on anyones behalf religion ALL of them wanna include all this other stuff that's NOT necessary it inhibits our relationship with God which is so simple,pure and positive.Religions bring in the negative stuff and reduce our relationship to standards,commands,demands,codes of conduct,obediance,submission,compliance,repentance,punishment etc.. what the hell kind of a relationship is that??? This is why there are atheist and x-christians in this world)

Is this idea of yours intrinsic or is this the kind of faith you back with scripture; I assume from the Old Testament?

(Nope none of this comes from scripture it originated in Gnosticism one of the early forms of Chrisitanity that emphasized a private,personal one 2 one relationship with God wihtout the need of a bible,church,bishop or preists Orthodox christianity didn't want this kind of thinking in the faith so it labeled gnosticism a heretic beleif when in reality it was dead on it had the right belief about our relationship with God all along)

The New Testament should have never been written; the Old is still "The Testament"?

(Well the truth of the matter is the new testament was NEVER told to be written can you show me anywhere in the Torah where it says that YAWHEH God Of Isreal wanted christians to write him another word when he already had the jews his "chosen" people write the torah?? Does it say this anywhere in the New Testament that the God of Isreal wanted christians to carry out his will and write the new testament?? I've never seen it so if I somehow overlooked it please post it here if you guys recognise YAWHEH as the God of the bible "the torah" then where does the new testament come in to play??? You know that technically the New Testament is NOT the word of the God of Isreal because as I said he NEVER told anyone to write it he told the jews to write the torah and carry out his will)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012, 9:49:50 AM PDT
G.J.STEIN

Sorry if I keep leaning towards the need for the bible in here somewhere!
I'm no longer thinking you're a Jew or promoting Judaism, but, am I wrong in assuming you put more emphasis in the Old Covenant and reject the new; or have no use for either?

(No problem we are discussing religion so you should lean towards whatever helps in the discussion but to answer your question I do put more emphasis on the jewish covenant based on my studies of the bible,judaism and christrianity which is why I reject the new one in a religous context but outside of that I have no use for either one seeing as how I'm not a christian or a jew it doesn't apply to me at all)

Posted on Jun 24, 2012, 10:26:10 AM PDT
When I was growing up, I thought that the point of religion was to find the truth. As I grew up in the church, I found that the mentality was more on of "well, we already know what's going on, therefore we don't have to look anymore".

I still haven't seen any proof that the Bible (or any other religious document) is verified as being the end-all be-all. My views on what this is all about are still evolving; I prefer to keep an open mind.

However, that doesn't diminish my morals or how I treat others. To me, that's what's the most important. As long as others are treating me fine, I have no problem. It's when I get that pity statement of "I hope you find Christ, otherwise you're going to hell" that I get offended. Because YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW. Nobody does. Believe what you want, it doesn't make it so simply because you have faith. I don't tell you that you're going to end up repeating the same issues in this life in future ones, even though I believe that, because I DON'T REALLY KNOW EITHER. At least I can acknowledge that. I THINK that what I believe is so.

But the only thing I give faith to is knowing that treating others as I would have myself treated is the right way to travel through this life. My issue is that religion is overrated. I see lots of people argue one subtle point after another, and leave the important issues behind. Religion is a distraction.

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Posted on Jun 24, 2012, 2:38:56 PM PDT
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MLC says:
I bear in mind that there are probably lurkers who don't bother to post who might truly appreciate answers from Christians to some of the questions that get asked. I don't bother to get into arguments with people. I post what I know. What people do with the information is up to them.

I think that some atheists purposely try to bait Christians to get them to stoop to ad hominem responses. It's best not to go there. Other atheists think that just being rude and calling somebody stupid or asking Christians if they believe in Santa Claus constitute acceptable and valid arguments. They don't, but that's okay. They only make themselves look bad.

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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 24, 2012, 7:57:26 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 24, 2012, 7:57:49 PM PDT
"I think that some atheists purposely try to bait Christians to get them to stoop to ad hominem responses. It's best not to go there. Other atheists think that just being rude and calling somebody stupid or asking Christians if they believe in Santa Claus constitute acceptable and valid arguments. They don't, but that's okay. They only make themselves look bad."

As an atheist, I agree completely with all of this... and don't like that sort of behavior any more than the rest of you.

Well, I do have one caveat: If I were to ask "Do you believe in Santa Claus?" *with the intent of pointing out that your lack of belief in that entity stems from a lack of corresponding evidence*, so as to illustrate the position of one who lacks a belief in the existence of Deities *for exactly the same reason*, then I think that a legitimate tack to take.

I do recognize, of course, that using such a comparison could be seen as an intended insult towards theists.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012, 5:08:16 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 25, 2012, 5:12:52 PM PDT
G. J. Stein says:
@Clarence H. Richmond:

So sorry for the very late reply; I wanted to get to the Forum yesterday but kept having interruptions and chores to do. (I was thinking about Gnosticism while weeding the garden).

I am really glad to come to this point of clarity with you. It's fascinating to me; you came to this spiritual conclusion. When did you ever hear of Gnostic ideals? Could it have been from the bible, or was it before all that? (The tenet of it seems to predate Judaism, unless I'm wrong and it was started, (named), in the first century as a rebuttal to Christianity).

You seem to be well educated about certain religions, did you always have this interest, or was that education part of your searching for truth?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012, 8:39:24 PM PDT
G.J.STEIN

I am really glad to come to this point of clarity with you. It's fascinating to me; you came to this spiritual conclusion. When did you ever hear of Gnostic ideals? Could it have been from the bible, or was it before all that? (The tenet of it seems to predate Judaism, unless I'm wrong and it was started, (named), in the first century as a rebuttal to Christianity).

(No it wasn't from the bible because the bible rejects all Gnostic beliefs, it came from other sources during my research of religions origin.Gnostic beliefs may have pre-dated Judiasm but Gnostic Chrisitanity did not and you are correct it started around the 1st cent but it wasn't a rebuttal to christianity it was just another form of it like Orthodox and Catholicism the only rebuttal was to the specific religous ideas that existed at the time with Orthodox and Catholic christianity)

You seem to be well educated about certain religions, did you always have this interest, or was that education part of your searching for truth?

(The knowledge was obtained during my research of the bible and religion of the past 14 yrs)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 26, 2012, 6:30:03 PM PDT
G. J. Stein says:
@Clarence H. Richmond:

That's all very interesting and I'm glad we got to chat without interruption for a change.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 27, 2012, 9:20:58 PM PDT
Mens Sana says:
Needless to say, your sensitivities mean I shall never use "blackguard".

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 27, 2012, 9:26:56 PM PDT
Mens Sana says:
A strange viewpoint, the Christians whom I see as "actively engaged in denying equality and justice to some of our fellow citizens" may indeed be *Christian*, but are also actively engaged in subverting the U.S. Constitution by denying equal rights to all citizens - all in the service of the Lord, of course.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 27, 2012, 9:30:03 PM PDT
Mens Sana says:
Macheath,
Why is it that all these "tired whines" you repeatedly complain of are those for which you have only tired, irrelevant non-answers?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 27, 2012, 9:39:56 PM PDT
Mens Sana says:
Anyone who brings up Michael Altarriba's post (to which this post replies) will find that Michael was pointedly replying to a post by Macheath. Michael's post hoisted Macheath on his own petard - and that presumably is the reason Macheath subsequently deleted his post. :)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 27, 2012, 9:50:09 PM PDT
Mens Sana says:
Bronze Age is inaccurate. While some traditions date to the Bronze Age, all the biblical books were written post-Iron I.

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