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The Christ returns not to "judge", but to Rescue


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Initial post: Feb 6, 2013, 6:23:05 AM PST
Acts5v29 says:
It has served some people's aims to portray Christ as coming in might rather than in power, and they have forgotten what God's power is.

Christ is returning to rescue us from our short-sighted way of life, our inability to place one step before another, to guide all who will listen to the real life. This is his role in God's theme of the Bible, so that everyone - everyone - will have the same basis for belief in the Heavens and in its benevolence.

This is perfect justice, in which judgement is given only when every reason for patience has been exhausted.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 8, 2013, 11:06:56 AM PST
Ponger says:
Will he rescue non Christians too, or torture them for eternity in Hell?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 8, 2013, 12:10:17 PM PST
Joe W says:
When I don't want to torture people, I simply don't build a torture chamber. The whole "returning to rescue" thing seems like a lot of posturing and rigmarole. And marketing. Don't forget the marketing.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 8, 2013, 12:36:58 PM PST
so you agree with martin luther that revelation was not part of the real bible

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 8, 2013, 1:07:57 PM PST
Acts, except those who have done evil to others and have not repented. (Luke 13:5, Matthew 25:46, Matthew 7:21). Peace always in the Most Precious Blood of Jesus our Great God and Saviour

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013, 3:06:35 AM PST
Acts5v29 says:
Good morning Ponger,

The rescue has nothing to do with beliefs, nor even whether we are good or bad. It is the in answer to our call for help - the theme of the Bible - a rescue for our race, not individuals.

Jesus has been seen as performing God's slaughter because Christendom has preached Revelation out of its due time - Revelation being a warning in advance that, despite the rescue, people would strive to be independent of God again in the centuries afterwards. However God's plan has always been to rescue us when we reach our nemesis - the Father catching the returning Prodigal Son before he falls - so that we learn to ask for help and Who will help us.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013, 8:49:01 AM PST
M. Galishoff says:
Acts

"Christ is returning to rescue us from our short-sighted way of life, our inability to place one step before another, to guide all who will listen to the real life. This is his role in God's theme of the Bible, so that everyone - everyone - will have the same basis for belief in the Heavens and in its benevolence."

Although Christ shall do these things, technically and fundamentally we are saved from the wrath of God which is the just punishment for our evil and sins. We are not made innocent but Christ's perfect righteous life is imputed unto us such that when God gazes upon us he sees not our guilt but His beloved son's righteousness. Christ covers our sins. When He returns we shall be raised, transformed into the spiritual body, perfected and shall sin no more. Yet we remain created beings with all the limitations and blessings of being creatures, poor sinners saved by Grace.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013, 9:16:36 AM PST
Acts5v29 says:
Good evening M Galishoff,

That portrayal has been made for many a century, and is popular because of its poetic manner. However, the truth is much simpler and straightforward.

God's wayward human creation is to learn - as a race - that we need Him; there is no wonderful mystical dreamy drift away from sin, but our gradual appreciation which is made painful by the millennia of self-reliance and ambition that humanity has treated as the way to live. Whilst Christ's sacrifice covers our sins, there is a whole range of disruptions during his reign as Revelation shows; so we are not "raised and sin no more" until after his reign has ended (except for those elevated to Heaven during his reign but after Armageddon to the Heavens to serve as kings with him for a thousand years).

In essence, we are always meant to develop, not cross a line to some mystical state of delight. This straightforward, simple aim of God for His creation is something which both believers and non-believers can find credible, and something which has been hidden for centuries in an attempt to mystify - and ruin - the benevolent character of God. But the truth, in contrast, is very simple.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013, 9:21:40 AM PST
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M, but even some saved shall also be CHASTENED when judged by the Lord as to NOT be condemned, (1 Corinthians 11:32, Luke 12:47, Matthew 18;34,25, James 2:13, 1 Corinthians 3:15), where our spirits shall be MADE PERFECT, (Hebrews 12;23,24) for we must all STRIVE for that holiness without which no one can see the Lord, (Hebrews 12;14) unless by our love for others here on earth, we have already atoned for the temporal punishments due our sins. "Love one another, for love coves a multitude of sins.", (1 Peter 4:8, Daniel 4;27, Luke 11:41, James 5;20). Peace always in the Most Precious Blood of Jesus our Great God and Saviour

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013, 9:33:20 AM PST
This is all pie in the sky!

Jesus' return was an expectation expressed by his immediate disciples, but has long since been discredited through time as a mistaken hope.

Jesus was little more than a failed prognosticator for the imminent establishment of the Kingdom of God. He was not the Son of God, nor God Incarnate with all the deification attributes that implies, he did not sacrifice himself as an atonement for everyone's sins, and he wasn't resurrected to Heaven. Christianity is a contrived religion built on a fictionalized makeover of the Jewish apocalypticist Jesus of Nazareth.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013, 9:51:54 AM PST
James, Not totally true, after all, Paul appointed elders, to then later appoint others to succeed them as well, as Jesus commanded His disciples to preach to ALL NATIONS, (hard to do is such a limited time, no?), and Jesus is indeed God, (John 1:1, Acts 3:15, Matthew 12:6). Peace always in the Most Precious Blood of Christ

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013, 10:16:46 AM PST
Acts5v29 says:
Good evening James,

I understan your skepticism; Christendom has depicted God as cruel and our future as a mystical flurry of clouds accompanied by celestial choirs.

If you can look at the climate crisis around us, accept - as many can - that it is leading to a dreadful climax for Mankind long before it itself abates, then perhaps the need for a rescue may not seem unlikely. God knew we would reach this stage and warned us long ago, so we know Who to turn to.

As for Christ's return, it has to be for a reason, and that crisis is the reason; but why Christ will be in authority over us rather than God Himself is just a little more involved.

Posted on Feb 9, 2013, 10:27:36 AM PST
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B. Banks says:
The second coming has nothing to do with "Christians."
The second coming of Christ Jesus, is to RESCUE the Jews from evil nations who will come against them in the latter days.

Revelation 19:11-16

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

2 Thessalonians 8: And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10: And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11: And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013, 10:53:24 AM PST
Ponger says:
According to the Bible, Paul claims to have never met Jesus and is going by visions of Jesus he had in his head. So we really don't know if Paul got it right or was dreaming or delusional. What is interesting is that most all aspects of Jesus, like "son of God" "born of a virgin" "camed to save mankind" "resurrection" were aspects of gods that predated the birth of Jesus. So Christianity borrowed most of its story from prior religions.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013, 11:27:46 AM PST
Ponger, not in his head, just as the vision of Jesus Steven had was not in his head. Actually, prior to paganism, was the Eternal God, who foretold the Promised Messiah. Peace always in the Most Precious Blood of Christ

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013, 11:34:42 AM PST
Astrocat says:
Acts, how do you differentiate between "might" and "power"?

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013, 3:14:33 PM PST
M. Galishoff says:
Acts

And good evening as well.

Did not Jesus suffer the wrath of God on the cross? And was not that wrath the punishment we deserved and Christ did not? And by suffering this wrath in our stead, being for us, Jesus accomplished full atonement. We look to the horror and evil of the cross to see at once what we were delivere from and who our deliver is.

grace and peace.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013, 3:19:06 PM PST
M. Galishoff says:
Matthew

My friend, we must live the rest of our times between the moment of saving faith and our final glorification. This is indeed true and we all stumble along striving ever forward. Yet we have certain hope in our final glorification for "in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have died." (1 Co 15:20). Glory be to God.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013, 3:51:38 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Feb 10, 2013, 6:54:50 AM PST
M, and final purification, either after death, (1 Corinthians 3:15, Luke 12:47), or here on earth, (1 Peter 4:8, Daniel 4;27, Luke 11:41, James 5;20), if we keep up the good fight and continue to repent and hope. Peace always in the Most Precious Blood of Jesus our Great God and Saviour

Posted on Feb 9, 2013, 4:20:02 PM PST
Ponger says:
Do you ever wonder why most all religious people believe their religion with conviction, yet believe followers of other religions are definitely following a false God. Funny how they can't see their religion is just as valid as all the others.

Posted on Feb 9, 2013, 7:16:39 PM PST
Christ will return to judge the living and the dead--judgement will occur. This 'do whatever you want, you'll still go to heaven' mentality has no basis in the Bible at all. The laws are still in effect. It's only evil itself that wants us to think otherwise.

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013, 7:40:34 PM PST
mrs exp says:
James Carlton,
From Adam to Abraham was about 2000 years.
From Abraham to Christ was about 2000 years.
It is now about 2000 years from Christ. Maybe it's time for something to happen.
exp

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013, 8:09:59 PM PST
I once thought like that mrs exp, but I learned better.

Devout Christians, and I think you are one, believe that the Hebrew Scriptures contain prophecies for all the major details regarding Jesus the Messiah. In fact, many of those prophecy fulfillments are described in the New Testament. Be that as it may, any prediction about a dead, resurrected, and returning Messiah is foreign to the Old Testament, as well as all of the apocryphal and apocalyptic books. Therefore, if Jesus' second coming is as important and essential as the New Testament sets forth, why don't the Hebrew Prophets even mention it? Rather, the second coming has no basis in Old Testament prophecy, and as a fulfillment of Christian expectations it has failed again and again for nearly 2000 years. Plainly, it's a mistake, so maybe you should forget about it happening!

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 9, 2013, 10:13:07 PM PST
mrs exp says:
James Carlton,
It may not be in the OT, but it is in the NT and I consider them both inspired. Revelation is progressive.
exp

In reply to an earlier post on Feb 10, 2013, 2:16:42 AM PST
Acts5v29 says:
Good morning Nancy,

"might" is commonly regarded as a force, but there is nothing more powerful than that which shows itself attractive and benevolent.
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