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Initial post: Jun 12, 2012 10:32:46 PM PDT
Bohemian Man says:
Will someone please give me an example of a Miracle.

I don't mean something like "i prayed and my headache went away". I mean a real verifiable Miracle.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 10:41:06 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 12, 2012 10:51:21 PM PDT
Bohemian Man,

It would appear to depend on what you mean by miracle. If we were to say that a miracle is something that has a 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of happening, would you agree that that is a miracle?

Posted on Jun 12, 2012 10:41:44 PM PDT
Georgedc says:
The immaculate conception of Mary.

Posted on Jun 12, 2012 10:45:45 PM PDT
A miracle was never intended to be "proof" of God's existence, per se. Miracles told people who were already believers which teachers had God's stamp of approval as a spokesperson in an age before the canon of Scripture was completed. Also, miracles destroy faith in a sense--that is to say miracles make one rely on sight, instead of faith. Most believers live their whole lives in faith without miracles.

Posted on Jun 13, 2012 12:08:17 AM PDT
@Anthony Grubb: the OP was not asking about proof of God's existence. He was simply asking for proof of miracles.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 12:48:19 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 13, 2012 12:55:39 AM PDT
Bohemian Man says:
ScoopingCatLitter,

More like something going against nature.
Something like, a limb growing back on an amputee.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 12:49:46 AM PDT
Bohemian Man says:
Geogedc,

Prove the immaculate conception.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 12:53:45 AM PDT
Bohemian Man says:
Anthony Grubb,

You're right. Believers live their whole lives in faith/assumption without miracles...

What does that tell you?

Especially since Jesus said "even greater works shall you do".

Who do you know that's doing these greater works?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 12:54:41 AM PDT
Bohemian Man says:
Michael Topper,

Thank you.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 12:58:40 AM PDT
Bohemian Man,

I do not see how a limb growing back on an amputee is going against nature.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 1:07:58 AM PDT
tokolosi says:
LMAO!!!

Good one G.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 1:08:47 AM PDT
Bohemian Man says:
ScoopinCatLitter,

Do I really have to qualify what I mean?

I think you're intelligent enough to know what I'm saying.

If a person has an arm amputated, is it natural for it to grow back (like a lizards tail) or would such an event be considered a miracle?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 1:09:12 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 13, 2012 1:10:12 AM PDT
tokolosi says:
You mean like winning the Powerball lottery? Happens every few weeks. Not a "miracle" that. Just long odds.

Try "statistical impossibility" or somesuch.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 1:33:41 AM PDT
Bohemian Man,

Of course it would be natural for it to grow back. There is nothing that is preventing this besides our own ignorance on how to bring it about. I see nothing inherently preventing anything like this, even though we might not be able to do it now.

I would not consider it a miracle that the arm grew back. I would just think of that as an interesting phenomena that I have never observed before, not that it ends up being a miracle just because I have never seen that before. If I took that line of thought, then seeing a white squirrel would be a miracle*. It just means I learned something new in what has actually come about that is different from some of my previous experience.

*One may easily bring up that you have seen a black, grey, or brown squirrel, but you have still seen a squirrel and the color white. So I can easily imagine a squirrel that is white, even though I have never experienced one before and eventually experienced one. I have observed a gecko grow back a tail, and seen movies where an arm was regrown, so I have no problem imagining that the arm grew back. I see no miracle here other than have not had the experience before.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 1:34:39 AM PDT
tokolosi,

What is the exact number for a statistical impossibility? And I could make the number longer and I do not think it would affect anything I would have brought up. I was just looking to see if they would agree with a number.

Posted on Jun 13, 2012 1:44:38 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 13, 2012 1:45:29 AM PDT
Adrian says:
1. Holy Light http://www.holyfire.org/eng/
2.Jordan river moving back
3.Holy Water from Eastern Orthodox Church not being spoiled after prayer

God comming into Eastern Orthodox Church :
http://frbenedict.blogspot.com/2012/03/divine-liturgy-photograph.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQMpeQiDiU4&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL581B6B34BF34AE03

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 3:02:41 AM PDT
Bohemian Man says:
ScoopingCatLitter,

I guess with enough time and technology a lot of things considered impossible could be accomplished.

However this wouldn't be a SUPERNATURAL miracle as much as a human produced miracle.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 3:09:16 AM PDT
Bohemian Man,

A miracle is a miracle, whether human produced or Supernaturally produced. And you did mention that a miracle violated nature, or appeared to violate nature.

All of this makes it appear that a miracle has nothing to do with natural and supernatural, whatever these terms are supposed to mean. It makes it look like a miracle is, at least, deal with not being common in our experience.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 4:26:57 AM PDT
Bohemian Man says:
Being this is a "Christian" forum, i assumed any mention of the miraculous would be interpreted in the spiritual (God did it type) miracle.

I guess I shouldn't have made that assumption.

So let me rephrase now,,,

A Divine miracle.

(Now I guess you're gonna want a definition of Divine).

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 4:29:51 AM PDT
Bohemian Man says:
What does "deal with not being common in our experience" mean?

I don't understand Tarzan talk?

Posted on Jun 13, 2012 1:38:08 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 13, 2012 1:40:06 PM PDT
This leads me to another miracle (supernatural, god-given miracles, that is) related question. Those kinds of miracles are all over the bible--parting the red sea, multiplying the loaves, curing the blind, water into wine, etc. But of course none of this stuff happens today, at least not in the way it purportedly happened in the bible. The usual Christian explanation *I've* heard over the years is that God allowed miracles with certain messengers (Moses, Jesus) a long time ago, but after Jesus no more were supposed to happen, which is why we don't see them now. I always thought this was a somewhat convenient excuse to explain this anomaly, not grounded in anything actually said in the bible (ie. as far as I know--and correct me if I'm wrong--there's no verse which quotes Jesus as saying "after me, there aren't going to be any more miracles").

However, there are very rare occassions when the Vatican recognizes modern-day miracles. The most obvious one I can think of is St.Bernadette, who discovered the fountain at Lourdes (although I suppose its healing properties are hotly disputed) and whose body resisted decomposition after death. But then this begs the question--does God allow modern-day miracles, or doesn't he? It makes the Vatican look sheepish when they say "modern-day miracles cannot exist" and then they go and recognize a couple. And what about ones that are performed by men of other faiths (ie. voodoo practictioners who can cut themselves with knives in a trance state and not bleed, yogis who can go into states of hibernation identical to death, etc.?). I know most Christians would say those aren't miracles because those men weren't Christian and therefore God isn't "behind" them, but that seems awfully disingenuous as well.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 2:07:28 PM PDT
Bohemian Man,

It means that you do not experience it in your common way of life. For example, I like to walk down the street to 7-11 from time to time. I have done it so many times that I know what things usually look like. Now if i were to take that walk and all of a sudden things start to look like the city of Helium (John Carter movie). That is not in common experience and I have had no experience like that. It just does not fit with my experiences.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 14, 2012 10:35:53 PM PDT
Bohemian Man says:
ScoopingCatLitter,

do you believe in the miracles recorded in scripture?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 14, 2012 11:20:26 PM PDT
You HAVE all the evidence you need. What you do with it is up to you.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 15, 2012 12:17:44 AM PDT
Bubba says:
What evidence would that be?
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