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Posted on Mar 12, 2012, 2:18:43 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Mar 12, 2012, 2:19:16 AM PDT
Sean Hansen says:
They didn't let Waid(or Morrison) write Superman for a long time either, which is why Jurgens wrote the bulk of the 90s Superman stuff.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 12, 2012, 7:41:22 PM PDT
Leon Evelake says:
Really I didnt know he worked on that.

Posted on Mar 15, 2012, 7:33:55 PM PDT
S. Kelly says:
Thanks for all the suggestions. I guess i'll go with All Star Superman because of the large amount of votes and Red Son just because it sounds cool. Then we'll see what more the library has

Posted on Mar 21, 2012, 8:33:25 PM PDT
Dan says:
All-Star Superman, along with All-Star Superman, coupled with, you guessed it, All-Star Superman.

I feel like I can only reiterate what everyone else said, except for that guy that the "Death of/World Without a/Return of Superman" are good reading. What the hell, man? None of those are good references for someone who wants a GOOD Supes' story.

I refer you to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PlwDbSYicM

The Alan Moore stories are great, Superman: Brainiac is great, Superman/Batman is good etc etc.

Oh God, Comet the Superhorse. In no way is it a bad thing that him and all of his beastiality undertones are gone.

Posted on Mar 21, 2012, 10:27:28 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 21, 2012, 10:35:59 PM PDT
Is being a Superhorse more or less freakish than being a centaur? Is Comet more or less freakish than Congorilla or Beast Boy? The really weird part is that for a centaur trapped in a horse's body, he didn't seem any smarter than say, Krypto or Streaky. And Superman once had a thing for a girl with a fish tail. Come to think of it, I guess that would make "The Little Mermaid" kind of creepy with undertones as well.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 22, 2012, 2:18:41 PM PDT
Leon Evelake says:
Aside from beast boy most people like to think none of that happened.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 22, 2012, 3:48:20 PM PDT
rjones2818 says:
The Dark Knight Returns is, to my mind, one of the best Superman stories.

:)

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 22, 2012, 5:48:32 PM PDT
Leon Evelake says:
I disagree I started reading comics with the death of superman its not perfect but by itself ignoring corporate meddling and pointless increases in fan hate it works a set of decent superman stories. And that youtube video is a joke its a dude rambling on thinking he funnier than he is while being oddly inaccurate in his description of the history.

Posted on Mar 23, 2012, 12:32:27 AM PDT
D. Maulding says:
S. Kelly,
I agree with All-Star Superman and Superman: Red Son as picks. I also highly recommend another non-canon Superman story (like KC, All-Star, and Red Son) by Kurt Busiek called Superman: Secret Identity. It's more than worth the work of searching for it if you can find it. It some looking for me since the trade has been out of print, but I first read it in the library of the nearby college, then started looking. I ended up getting mine on ebay.

An amazing single issue story for Superman is "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice, and The American Way?" which is the basis for the next DC animated film. It addresses the differences between the superhero ideal that Superman represents, which has been said to be outdated by some, and the more modern, gritty "heroes" who kill their enemies and act with little regard to the consequences of their actions. It's a lot like Kingdom Come in that respect, but it really lets Big Blue shine. It can be found in the Justice League Elite vol.1 trade.

Of course, since I've brought it up on other threads, I might as well do it on this one. Grant Morrison's JLA run. Not only does it feature Superman out in front, but it also shows how the other heroes, even ones as well known as Green Lantern and The Flash, see him and look up to him. It says something about the character when so many other capable heroes breathe a sigh of relief when Superman shows up.

That said, so far I'm not impressed with the new DCU Superman. Check out Justice League, Action Comics, or Superman titles if you'd like, but so far, he seems cocky and kind of alpha male instead of leading by example. To put it in perspective, a recent cereal promotion had Justice League mini comics in the boxes. The representation of the characters were pre-reboot, but the conflict was resolved because of what kind of person he is and that mini comic found in a box of cereal portrayed Superman better than anything I've seen in the new DCU.

Posted on Mar 23, 2012, 2:13:42 PM PDT
Bobby says:
Most of my suggestions have already been made.

FOR TOMORROW was kind of cool. It has one of my favorite Superman lines ever "sometimes faster than a speeding bullet isn't fast enough".

THE NAIL Superman isn't really in this one that much, but the story basically is about what would happen if the Kents never found the baby clark kent because of a flat tire caused by a nail.

SPEEDING BULLETS is basically what would happen if he crashed in Gotham instead of kansas. (Always loved that Supes' and Bats' mothers names are the same)

OUR WORLDS AT WAR pretty good if you can look past the overly cartoony art.

LEX LUTHOR MAN OF STEEL Basically how Lex views Superman. I like to think of it as Lex's killing joke.

UP UP AND AWAY what superman returns should have been

there's also some good supes stuff in justice league titles

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 23, 2012, 3:30:33 PM PDT
Speeding Bullets is easily the best Superman Elseworlds story of all time.

Perhaps the best Elseworlds story of all time.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 23, 2012, 10:39:20 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 23, 2012, 10:40:35 PM PDT
Partially agree, partially disagree on the new DCU. The first Action Comics story arc has him towards the beginning of his career, where he is kind of the cocky alpha male. Another way of looking at this time in his life is that he wants to change America into what he thinks it ought to be, rather than being the typical "boy scout" and mostly enforcing the status quo.

The first Justice League story arc still has him mostly in this mode, and the Justice League is just starting to learn how to cooperate with each other, so all 7 of them are in the "not quite good at playing nice with others" mode. This story is set 5 years ago.

Of the three, the first Superman story arc is the only one happening "now," and by this time he has mellowed out a little and is more working with the authorities. This is obscured by the fact that the events of the story is being broadcast live, and the news commentator has a personal bias against Superman.

So, the awkward thing about all this is that after 7 issues, we (or at least I) still don't get how we go from the Superman of "Action" to the Superman of "Superman." But that's DC for you. Just one endless tease...

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 24, 2012, 2:22:25 AM PDT
D. Maulding says:
Cilantron,
I see what you mean about Action and JL taking place five years past. I did read a few issues of Superman, too, and that was better to me. By that I mean he wasn't so abrasive. So far in the "present" I haven't seen much change in Action or JL since both of those were supposed to have jumped ahead within the last one or two issues, but so far I don't really like the characterization of half the League in JL, so maybe that's just Johns taking them in a new direction than the pre-Flashpoint incarnations. I liked Hal from GL: Rebirth on, but I don't like him in JL at all so far (haven't read GL yet). By the looks of things, Shazam isn't going to be a hero for the same reasons, either. I won't say details, but throwing that out there, too. So far, I actually prefer Justice League International to Justice League. They have the same teamwork problems the League had in the first arc, but still managed to come off not so abrasive. Plus their first arc was on a much bigger scale, a.k.a. bigger threat, than what was seen in Justice League.

Posted on Mar 29, 2012, 7:02:28 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Mar 29, 2012, 7:04:47 AM PDT
W.T. Keeton says:
The best Superman stories come from two eras. The classic Silver Age to Bronze Age run from the mid-sixties to the mid-seventies, especially those which featured Swan-Anderson art at their peak. Cary Bates and Elliot S! Maggin turned out some stories that were cutting edge at the time, and in a way that appealed to both kids and adults. And the "Byrne" Superman after Byrne left up until the Death storyline, with creators like Jerry Ordway, Dan Jurgens, George Perez and Roger Stern heading the titles (at the time the Superman books were considered to be the best mainstream superhero comics on the stands by the Comics Buyers Guide).

Posted on Mar 29, 2012, 2:45:41 PM PDT
I still have a soft spot for the original, Golden Age Superman - the first couple of Superman Archives volumes, Superman: The Dailies 1939-1942 and Superman: Sunday Classics 1939-1943 (often better than the comic books from the same period), the old "Adventures of Superman" radio series, the classic Fleischer Bros/Paramount theatrical cartoons, and the Kirk Alyn movie serials.

In reply to an earlier post on Mar 31, 2012, 8:38:01 PM PDT
Leon Evelake says:
Given that the original poster did not like the original movies and was turned off by a silver age issue I doubt that the silver age is right for him. I agree that some of the post first crisis stuff might be good though.

Posted on Apr 5, 2012, 10:14:26 AM PDT
Action Comics #775. "What's so funny about truth, justice, and the American way?"
EPIC story.

Posted on Apr 5, 2012, 1:30:49 PM PDT
Cerberus says:
Like others have said

All Star Superman

and how about

Superman: Red Son

Posted on Apr 5, 2012, 1:32:50 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 5, 2012, 1:34:26 PM PDT
S. Kelly says:
Cerberus,
Yeah. Those are the 2 I'm going with. All Star got such an overwhelming number of recommendations from everyone and Red Son sounds like a cool concept. I have to wait until I get back States-side in July to read them, but looking forward to it.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 5, 2012, 1:45:31 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 5, 2012, 1:46:48 PM PDT
Cerberus says:
S. Kelly

Well I hope you enjoy them both as I know I did, and for what it's worth I didn't dislike Superman it was more I didn't know much about him other than the basics from films ( same could be said for most the DC stuff but not now as I went on a DC graphic novel buying spree lol ) and All Star as well as Kingdom Come helped plenty and Red Son I thought was brilliant and all helped me get an understanding of the character and liking it/him ?.

Posted on Apr 7, 2012, 6:03:00 AM PDT
Wraith Lord says:
I HATE S. KELLY!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 7, 2012, 7:17:13 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Apr 7, 2012, 11:32:31 AM PDT
"...never had to work for it..."

Like getting zapped by lightning, bitten by a spider, injected with a super-soldier formula, belted by gamma rays, being made out of clay and zapped by the Gods, or just being a mutant?

Posted on Apr 7, 2012, 8:54:29 PM PDT
"He's like the rich kid who was born with everything ... and never had to work for it. He's impossible to like."

Yeah. Like Batman or Iron Man.
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