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Initial post: Nov 19, 2012, 12:47:24 PM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 26, 2017, 5:23:04 AM PST
The article posted at:

http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=2393981

states: "It suggests, for instance, that elementary math textbooks should be fewer than 200 pages in length."

This would be an excellent start for putting the doorstop-publishing mafia out of business.

Recently I had the grim experience of examining the doorstop Math Connects: Concepts, Skills, and Problems Solving, Course 2, Student Edition (MATH APPLIC & CONN CRSE) , which has 750 pages plus an additional 68 pages at the end. This doorstop has the mug shots of 12 co-authors, including Jack Price, a past-president of the NCTM who was a leading promoter of the 1989 NCTM "standards." This doorstop also lists 16 consultants and 45 reviewers--which is indicative of the highly irresponsible people who are writing, publishing, editing, promoting, and adopting these doorstops that are saturated with junk.

Edit: Page 19 at http://corestandards.org/assets/Math_Publishers_Criteria_K-8_Summer%202012_FINAL.pdf has the following recommendation.

"(For paper-based materials.) A textbook that is focused is short. For example, by design Japanese textbooks have less than one page per lesson. Elementary textbooks should be less than 200 pages, middle and secondary less than 500 pages."

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 20, 2012, 6:42:14 PM PST
Dagny Tag says:
Somebody has to pay for the education lobby. It would be better to just do away with the federal department of education. Each community has the responsibility to educate their children as they see fit not the way the national government wants a one size fits all.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 21, 2012, 10:43:41 AM PST
The "national government" does not control the publishing conglomerates and their well-paid lackeys who operarte The Doorstop-Publishimg Mafia.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 21, 2012, 12:08:06 PM PST
Dagny Tag says:
"The "national government" does not control the publishing conglomerates and their well-paid lackeys who operarte The Doorstop-Publishimg Mafia. "
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But they are controlled by the mafia money. Standard test and teaching to the test make for standard textbooks and states like Texas pick the one size fits all. Get rid of the federal department of education and standards and you kill the text book industry monopoly.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 21, 2012, 12:26:32 PM PST
i had a couple of classes with real skinny books
and some with the really big ones

the big ones usually go two semesters
so not as bad as you think

the problem with small ones is that so much is not said
if you like the socratic method and want to figure out what is missing then you are welcome to try that

i prefer the big books that spell everything out
they are much more effective to learn with
and to teach using them

not sure what your problem is with size
nor why you want to suboptimise the education process
to minimise book size

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 21, 2012, 12:40:18 PM PST
Dagny Tag says:
"minimise book size"
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In the computer and tablet age paper books are obsolete in formal education environments.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 21, 2012, 4:20:18 PM PST
that is totally wrong

i have been on both sides of teh classroom
and used the latest tecky gadgets

books will always be better
faster cheaper easier and more effective for classrooms

if you want to suboptmise (read damage) effective learning
for some other characteristic then go ahead and push ecrapp

Posted on Nov 21, 2012, 4:24:02 PM PST
Dagny Tag says:
"books will always be better"
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Better for what education? The government does not want educated people they want workers.

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 21, 2012, 4:37:36 PM PST
govt wants voters so they keep them in poverty and give them other peoples money

In reply to an earlier post on Nov 21, 2012, 4:41:41 PM PST
Dagny Tag says:
"govt wants voters so they keep them in poverty and give them other peoples money "
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The govt does not care at all about voters as they buy them and the less that vote the better. They already have the ballot fixed. The people you see on TV are puppets and are putting on a show the real power brokers make things happen.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2015, 7:28:51 AM PDT
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The Industrial Text Book Complex.
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