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Initial post: Apr 13, 2010, 10:12:04 AM PDT
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JA says:
I came across this comment on an MSN forum and wonder what others think.

"By the way I am a teacher ,I had to study years of child development and psyc ,as well as subject material ,how everyone now thinks they can home school is a joke.Even Judge Judy asks what university did you graduate from ?when someone says they home school.How do they feel so qualified!"

This comment is a good example of why I homeschool. I have met too many college graduates who have poor writing skills like this. I have seen GATE and middle school honors students count on their fingers when presented with basic arithmetic problems.

How can students be expected to learn from teachers who lack basic reading, writing and math skills? Yes, there are a lot of good teachers but they can't make up for the failings of the many bad teachers. I think it is unreasonable to question the qualifications of homeschooling parents when there are so many incompetent teachers in our schools.

Posted on Apr 14, 2010, 12:48:39 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 14, 2010, 9:35:46 AM PDT
Carolyn says:
Parents choose homeschooling for the following reasons: 1) After all of the education, teachers still don't have a clue how to teach a child to read (note - Parents, did you know you can purchase Candy 4WAY Phonics for $9.97 and teach your child to read everything?), 2) American schools are loaded with immoral teaching and perspectives such as the "naturalness" of sodomy and the "fun" of witchcraft (Harry Potter), 3) American schools do not teach children the basic skills required for math and grammar, 4) American schools are quick to label children as LD when in reality, ineffective teaching is the culprit, 5) Parents care more about their child's success than paid teachers and have the wealth of years of experienced homeschooling teaching materials and video resources at their fingertips, most of which would never be allowed in a public school classroom because of their moral correctness. Moreover, after parents finish teaching their child the basic skills, they are free to pursue further training in inferential thinking as well as specified hands-on course teaching. There's simply no way the mundane, ineffective public school classroom can compete with the excitement and rich resources of the homeschool classroom.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 14, 2010, 5:38:52 AM PDT
Dagny Tag says:
"I think it is unreasonable to question the qualifications of homeschooling parents when there are so many incompetent teachers in our schools. "
I agree that parents IQ goes above and below 100 just as teachers do. But parents have one advantage. They know their child and have a better goal to see that that child learns than public employed teachers.
They also can spend more time with them.

Posted on Apr 14, 2010, 2:26:48 PM PDT
A lot of parents home school because they don't want their children exposed to the outside world. This is a ridiculous. Lets hide our children from the world instead of taking the time to teach them about people and ideas that are not exactly the same as ours. Your kids get no socialization - and most "home school" parents don't bother with schedules and tend to let the schooling slide when life gets tough. This is the norm. I am sure there are many college educated parents who can home school effectively, but that would be the exception. I would also like to point out that most teachers are good and moral people that go through a lot of school to be teachers. The ones you mention are not the norm, but the exception.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 14, 2010, 5:19:42 PM PDT
Dagny Tag says:
" Lets hide our children from the world instead of taking the time to teach them about people and ideas that are not exactly the same as ours."
When I was young and attended public school that was the argument against private school. You will have to face and deal with all kinds of people. Now I think a little different. At a young age is when you form your morals and ethics, peer pressure especially from other children who are wild and do not have positive parent influence corrupts many good kids. People mostly engage in the same social paradigm, especially now that everything is automated. It is your friends, family and college connections that guide you through your path in life. A younger child home schooled and exposed to community events and neighborhood friends is not under socialized. In fact they do better than those who are free who explore all the vices in life.

Posted on Apr 14, 2010, 6:01:48 PM PDT
A. Potts says:
A parent is a childs only REAL advocate. The bible says that parents are the primary teacher to their children. It is my role and duty to provide the best education possible for my children. I home school because I'm doing the work that God intended me to do and because I ENJOY being with my children who grow up so fast. I get to sit and watch them take little steps that I would otherwise miss. I get to watch them learn and be EXCITED about learning. I get to love them and encourage them. I get to have frustrating days, too and it is through the periods of frustration that I learn most about myself and my children and how beautiful they really are. So one can argue about my merits but I have one merit no one can beat--I am their mother and my love and understanding of how they work far surpasses any college course or degree. I may not know everything; I may not know as much as a credential teacher, but I learn everyday right along with them and it's a wonderful journey.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 14, 2010, 6:16:58 PM PDT
Dagny Tag says:
I hope you teach then rational thinking and not that God controls their life and they have no power to make life what they want it to be.

Did you see that little lost girl did not try to find her way out of the swamp because she was taught that God would help her. Is there not a quote in the Bible that God helps those who help themselves.

Posted on Apr 15, 2010, 4:37:58 AM PDT
lol :) I went to the dentist the other day; and as we were chatting, he looked at me with a scrutinizing glance and said "but you are QUALIFIED to teach these subjects?" (homeschooling?) I said "I am certified to teach grades K-8 in this state" (which is true) but had I not been elementary certified, I would have liked to have said "Well, since my kids are all on grade level, I guess I must be!" :D
Don't worry about what teachers say. I once had a teacher say to me that I'd never be able to teach my homeschooled kids to read. That it was too difficult for a lay person to teach a child to read. (And I've been through four years of teaching school!) I nearly laughed out loud! All four of my kids read very early and and are avid readers.
Just "consider the source" and ignore such posts. :)

Posted on Apr 15, 2010, 9:51:17 AM PDT
School 1 teacher : 30 students
Homeschool 1 teacher : 1 student

School is like an extension to day care. We have to go to work so we send our children to school instead of educating them ourselves.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 15, 2010, 12:59:10 PM PDT
C. R. Wilcox says:
Mary Alice, after reading your post I am left wondering how many homeschool families you have actually encountered? As a homeschooling mother, we are involved in several different types of groups, and in touch with hundreds of homeschool families, and your description of what you feel is the homeschool stereotype fits none of them. I always find it interesting when people feel authorized to make such biased judgements about a wonderful, proven educational method that they actually know nothing about.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 15, 2010, 1:09:13 PM PDT
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C. R. Wilcox says:
I recently read a news article about a school district that tried something revolutionary: They were short on teachers, so to teach those science classes, they brought in...scientists. They did the same thing for other subjects that needed emergency teachers by bringing in professionals in that field, and the kids' grades skyrocketed in those classes. The teacher's union, of course, had fits, throwing back its' head and howling that non-certified professionals were being allowed to instruct high school kids. However, this aptly proved a point; going through years of child psych. and classroom management classes does not actually make a good teacher. Passion and knowledge do. As a homeschool mother, I have access to the world's best books, full of that knowledge and passion that truly inform, and my children are not forced to try to swallow chewed-up-and-spit-out knowledge from dry, overused textbooks, taught by teachers whose wings have been clipped by state regulations and standards. Judge Judy may have objections to someone presuming to teach anything to a child based on university graduations, but I have objections to censure from a teacher who is obviously sitting at home during the day watching trash T.V.!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 15, 2010, 3:59:04 PM PDT
I have been around Christian groups of home schoolers who feel that teaching the bible is more important than teaching academics. They want their children to be surrounded by people who think exactly the way that they do and do not want them to learn from other cultures or religions. I am also not sure how home schooling parents have the right to make blanket stereotype judgments on teachers when I am sure they have not been inside a diverse array of classrooms during teaching hours. I am sure there are groups of home schooling parents that are educated and who do offer a wide variety of social activities, but based on my experiences with home schoolers that is not the norm.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 15, 2010, 4:01:13 PM PDT
Transatlantic82, I guess you would also perform surgery on your child because you know their bodies better?

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 16, 2010, 4:09:27 PM PDT
I am a "homeschooled through high school" graduate who is now studying Electrical Engineering at Texas State University. Having been homeschooled from 8th grade to 12th grade i think i know the environment that comes along with it. You are right when you say that there are homeschooling parents that let things slide, but that is a very minute group of us. Not to mention that most homeschoolers form "coops" where parents who have teaching experience teach tougher subjects like physics and calculus. I was taught by a lady who had taught at Texas A&M and by a father who had taught at UT. As for being socially deficient, I and the majority of other homeschoolers have very wonderful social lives. The stereotypes you present are not what is the norm, no matter how much you think so. Delve into matters that you know about, and dont try to make assumptions about ones you don't.

Posted on Apr 16, 2010, 4:36:32 PM PDT
My daughter asked me why I homeschool her. I told her that I love her enough to do it myself. One thing I will always have, more than any other teacher, is a limitless, selfless love for her. That, along with only her long-term best-interest at heart, is my motivation, in all that I do.
There are plenty of bad examples in homeschooling that make the news. When one out of how many thousands of bad examples in public schools make the news? But that doesn't change the fact that I was surely a good enough teacher before she turned 5, what is the difference after she turns 5?
If you are concerned about the quality of her education, ask her about thermonuclear fusion, Napoleon, surface tension, or about the symbolism on ancient egyptian crowns. I am sure she can clear all of that up for you.
People often ask about social skills of home-schooled kids. please. could you beat that dead horse some more? So, what you are saying is that ALL the kids who went to public school that you know have excellent social skills and can deal with stress and changes perfectly? hello? yeah. That's why addictions and crime rise every year and kids bring guns to school. Because public schools are SUCH a great social center for our society.
Why do I homeschool? Maybe it's because I LIKE my kids. Maybe it's because I WANT to be with them. Maybe I never was one of those people who said "I can't wait until you turn 5 and i can ship you off to strangers for 6 hours a day." Maybe I can do better. Maybe I homeschool because it makes me happy, it makes my kids happy, it makes my home happy, and it works for us. Maybe I homeschool because I answer to a higher authority than a bunch of people who have never met my kids, don't know them, don't love them and certainly don't have their best interest at heart.

Posted on Apr 17, 2010, 7:37:21 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Apr 19, 2010, 8:34:44 AM PDT
Carolyn says:
To Mary Alice Miller: Oh my goodness! Where should I begin?

a) YOU SAY you have been around Christian groups of homeschoolers who feel that teaching the bible is more important than teaching academics.

ONE OF THE BIG REASONS why parents choose to homeschool is because they don't want their children with teachers who feel that sodomy is a normal lifestyle, who feel that schools run best without biblical teaching, who feel that schools should be teaching amoral values, or who feel that inventive spelling, sight reading, and core math is good teaching.

b) YOU SAY that you're not sure how home schooling parents have the right to make blanket stereotype judgments on teachers when you are sure they have not been inside a diverse array of classrooms during teaching hours.

ONE OF THE BIG REASONS why parents choose to homeschool is because public school teachers want children to be surrounded by people who think exactly the way that they do, spending their daily lives inside closed-minded public school classrooms where they are never allowed to hear the truth about the existence of an all powerful God or about His kingdom or about His principles, commands, and values, or about the fact that we live in a country where the Constitution and Bill of Rights were founded upon biblical principles: (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/01/america_founded_to_be_free_not.html ).

c) IN SUMMARY, I am sure there are public school teachers who believe in the expression of religious freedom in which this country was founded and who do not hesitate to witness to children about their personal faith in God, but based on my experiences with public school teachers that is not the norm.

Posted on Apr 17, 2010, 6:39:22 PM PDT
Kori H says:
I am a brand new home schooling mom. I have 4 kids from 15 down to 7. I would have never thought I would home school. However my daughter entered 6th grade in 2009. 3 wks into school another girl attacked her and she looked like she was hit by a professional boxer. The school suspended my daughter for 3 days because she defended herself. I took the girl to court and they slapped her hand too and said do it again then they will go forward with charges. Then from them till now, she has been tormented daily by bullying. I have put in so many complaints I cant remember how many now. Then in Feb 2010 a teacher called my 12 yr old a whore due to she was wearing blue eye shadow. Called everyone in the school district with that one, not one person called me back to punish this teacher. My daughter then became suicidal and was in weekly therapy. Then this past week another child attacked her. So after 10 months of my daughter being physically and mentally abused while the school does nothing, I have pulled her out since I have begged for a transfer which they have denied.
So I am not doing it for religious reasons, I am for my daughters safety. So each person has their own personal reasons and no one should question them.
As for the socialization, people do meet people outside of school...well at least my kids do.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 17, 2010, 6:58:29 PM PDT
Book Lover says:
Seriously? Are you really thinking about the things that you're posting? It seems to me that you're simply parroting things that you've heard others say about homeschooling - because nothing that you've said indicates that you have any real knowledge about the subject.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 17, 2010, 8:47:04 PM PDT
fox says:
"They want their children to be surrounded by people who think exactly the way that they do and do not want them to learn from other cultures or religions. "

And is it not their right to teach their children as they see fit? Their children, not yours, not the government's.

I think I'd rather a kid be raised having no academic knowledge but having the morals of the Bible, then to go to public school and come out with neither.

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 18, 2010, 10:02:32 AM PDT
R. Marshall says:
Nope. That's not in the Bible.

Posted on Apr 18, 2010, 12:21:23 PM PDT
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Posted on Apr 18, 2010, 12:52:45 PM PDT
KVM says:
so·cial·iza·tion (Merriam-Webster dictonary)--
the process by which a human being beginning at infancy acquires the habits, beliefs, and accumulated knowledge of society through education and training for adult status
One reason we homeschool is because we do not want our children socialized in the public school system. I know a lot of teachers, and I would have no problem with them teaching my children....but teachers aren't really in control anymore--of curriculum, discipline, etc... It seems that every week I am reading on the internet about another child who was bullied so much that they just decided life wasn't worth living... Kori H I applaud you for making the decision to bring your children home, I do not think you will ever regret it. As for socializing--there are more than enough opportunities for that. I wanted to comment about the "teaching the Bible" comment also... yes I think that many who homeschool b/c they are Christians do teach the Bible and hold it above all other books. So, lets look at test scores (not that I think they are a good way to judge children but our government requires them)--homeschoolers out score their public schooled peers at every level. Not only do home educated children score better on tests but studies have also found that it doesn't even matter if the parents who are teaching them have a college education! There was also no significant difference among parents who were certified teachers and those who weren't (actually the children of non-teachers scored better, but not significantly so).

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 18, 2010, 1:07:25 PM PDT
Dagny Tag says:
"Nope. That's not in the Bible. "

"God helps those who help themselves" is probably the most often quoted phrase that is not found in the Bible. This saying is usually attributed to Ben Franklin, quoted in Poor Richard's Almanac in 1757. In actuality, it originated from Algernon Sydney in 1698 in an article titled Discourses Concerning Government. Whatever the original source of this saying, the Bible teaches the opposite. God helps the helpless! Isaiah 25:4 declares, "For You have been a defense for the helpless, a defense for the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shade from the heat..." Romans 5:6 tells us, "For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly."

In terms of salvation, we are all utterly helpless. We are all infected by sin (Romans 3:23), and condemned as a result of that sin (Romans 6:23). Nothing we can do on our own can remedy this situation (Isaiah 64:6). Thankfully, God is the helper of the helpless. While we were still sinners, Jesus died for us (Romans 5:8). Jesus paid the penalty that we were incapable of paying (2 Corinthians 5:21). God provided the "help" that we need precisely because we could not help ourselves.

Apart from salvation, there is perhaps a way that the concept "God helps those who help themselves" is correct. As an example, if you asked me to help you move a piece of furniture, but then just watched me as I moved the furniture for you, I was not actually helping you. I would be doing the work for you. Many Christians fall into the trap of inactivity. Many Christians ask God for help, but then expect God to do everything Himself. They excuse this by pointing to the fact that God will provide according to His will and in His timing. However, this is not a reason for inactivity. As a specific example, if you are in need of a job, ask the Lord to help you find a job - but then be active in actually looking for a job. While it is in His power to do so, it is highly unlikely that God will cause employers to come looking for you

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 18, 2010, 1:15:10 PM PDT
A. Flowers says:
Oh, Kori!! Your poor girl!! Children who do not understand the consequences of their actions can be immeasurably cruel, but adults turning a blind eye on behavior that is clearly inappropriate is just wrong. And a teacher calling your child a whore???

Sue the district. I would. They owe you for the expenses of medically treating your child for these problems. A suicidal sixth grader is not a laughing matter. A lawyer worth his/her money would happily take on this case. Start asking around for consultations, and meanwhile prepare everything you have. Hopefully you have records of all these events.

Good luck!

In reply to an earlier post on Apr 18, 2010, 1:25:19 PM PDT
Livia says:
I know TEACHERS who have removed their children from schools because of the quality of the "socialization" that went on there.

I know a lot of homeschooling families, and the parents do all sorts of things to make sure that their children have frequent contact with people of all ages, preferably people whose social skills are worthy of emulation. Without a lot of red tape, tons of things go on....parents share teaching responsibilities in different topics and so there are social outings to the homes of families that are also educational, as they build Bucky Balls out of rolled newspapers, watch butterflies hatch, learn science and make a video of skits demonstrating their knowledge. Field trips of all sorts are ongoing, science fairs, speech and debate clubs that include community judges as well as homeschooling volunteers, classes from local museums and art studios specifically for home schoolers, Spelling Bees, Geography Bees, Vocabulary clubs, chess clubs, socials, community volunteer work, choirs that not only perform once or twice a year....they literally spend a few weeks each Christmas doing 4-6 concerts a day (optional, but most kids do most shows) for the elderly, the mentally challenged, the homeless, the sick, the orphans, public school children, as well as a few venues like the local art museums. Homeschooling coops with homeschooling parents who are also teachers provide proper high school courses for parents not confident in those areas. An increasing number of children have no trouble at all studying independently and collecting college credit while satisfying their desire to have plenty of time to work, start small businesses or hone their media presentation for their local homeschooling robotics club's B.E.S.T. competition. And there are home school sports, some of which do national championships.

Please, I'm a little tired of the "no socialization" thing. The ones in the most danger of not being socialized enough are the ones who feel like their children need 6-7 hours of instruction and a few hours of homework on top of it, copying the school's methods. The ones who do it all fall into the same trap as schooled kids' parents, trying to do too much.

And there is no such thing as having kids NOT hear other ideas unless the family is totally pathological to start with, and locks them up 24/7.

Maybe you think teaching sodomy in K-5 is essential, and learning how to put on a condom in high school health class with other children is mandatory. Maybe you think it is imperative that every child realize that not only does Heather have Two Mommies, but that is is absolutely key that other people's children embrace that. Get over it. It really is ok that not everyone agree with your agenda for their socialization. Just because you are an educator does not mean that you have some sort of golden, magic knowledge about what kids should or should not be exposed to at a given time in their lives, nor how that exposure should occur.

In other words, it is ok for the parents and their children to have different ideas than YOU.

Mary Alice Miller says: A lot of parents home school because they don't want their children exposed to the outside world. This is a ridiculous. Lets hide our children from the world instead of taking the time to teach them about people and ideas that are not exactly the same as ours. Your kids get no socialization -
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