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Initial post: Sep 23, 2010 11:49:42 AM PDT
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Matthew says:
I'm sure some people out there will disagree, but I think Monsanto is probably the biggest, most evil company you might have never heard of. To me, it looks like they are out to control the world's food supply and are already well on their way. Aside from continuing to sell products which are now proven to be unsafe, they are robbing both farmers and taxpayers blind and all the while helping to impoverish multiple countries around the world. Few places remain where their presence has not made a profoundly negative impact. They have seemingly unbounded support from our government with a license to do whatever they please, and they continue to run amok with total disregard for the safety and well being of the general public. This is the epitome of capitalism run wild and it's got a strangle-hold on our economy now. Something must be done.



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The hearing in Manhattan Federal District Court was centered on Monsanto's motion to dismiss the case and Federal Judge Naomi Buchwald heard arguments from attorneys on both sides. Farmers were encouraged by Judge Buchwald's familiarity with the case and her announcement that she would make a decision in the next 60 days, no later than March 31st.

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Posted on Sep 23, 2010 2:11:44 PM PDT
you probably watched food inc. I sure they do some good things too, but yeah, their genetic modify potatoes and rice or corn crop stories are sad.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 23, 2010 2:17:56 PM PDT
medialint says:
Why anyone would eat spinach out of a CAN is its own mystery.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 23, 2010 3:27:00 PM PDT
I will eat spinach in any form.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 23, 2010 4:35:46 PM PDT
Matthew says:
Their products are not safe, and if you will do any amount of research you will see this. And yes, when you subsidize farmers in America to grow a crop that they would otherwise lose money on because the seed and the chemicals to grow it cost so much, that in turn impoverishes other countries. Watch "The Future of Food" and you will see. Monsanto and the few companies like them are causing massive amounts of poverty all over the world.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 23, 2010 5:55:20 PM PDT
Their products are not safe. As a matter of fact, Lancaster Farmer, an agricultural newspaper, recently published an article about the inert ingredients in round-up causing health issues.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 24, 2010 12:06:32 AM PDT
YTWong says:
Agreed...good topic! And this is a serious issue...

Here are some documentary DVDs concerning this topic, for those who wants to know more:
Food, Inc.
The Future of Food
The World According to Monsanto

For further reference, type "monsanto milk" and "monsanto labelling" on search engines (Yahoo, Google...etc) and YouTube.

Here are some:
Fox News Kills Monsanto Milk Story

Monsanto's Toxic Milk - Banned in Europe

Monsanto Wants to Ban U.S. Milk Labelling, Hiding Food Info From Consumers

Monsanto hired mercenary Blackwater to infiltrate anti-GMO groups

Vandana Shiva on The Future of Food (Part 1 - 3)

There may be possible Monsanto shills later posting trying to dismiss YouTube and documentary DVDs as a source of information. While I agree there are both good and bad information on YouTube / documentary DVDs, the same goes for books, TVs, newspapers, radios, internet websites and blogs, other medias and even medical studies. Look at the information and do your own research...and you decide!


Matthew: "WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO??!!?? "

Well, at the current moment, I would say...we need to make more people aware of this... and stop buying any products which has Monsanto's involvement in producing them...

Posted on Sep 24, 2010 1:10:43 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Sep 24, 2010 10:03:41 AM PDT
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Matthew says:
Yes I do enjoy food... but I have no clue where you are going with this because who does not like food, regardless of their opinion of Monsanto? I can like food and not like what Monsanto is doing.

Originally, I think the people who developed the roundup ready seeds thought that they were doing a service to the world by this contribution, but the course it has undergone since then is despicable. Yes they developed seeds that are hardier and resistant to a particular pesticide, which makes things easier for farmers. All in all you would think this would be pretty beneficial.

The PROBLEM is- they have a patent on these seeds, and everywhere the wind, birds, animals, trucks, or whatever... happens to carry them, whether the farmers want them or not, wherever these seeds happen to show up, becomes the property of Monsanto. Farmers are forced to settle out of court for fear of having their entire life savings, and everything they have worked for reduced to nothing, and then they can never publicly discuss the settlement. They can't use their own seeds anymore, which they have been growing and cultivating for years, and sometimes generations. Do you know what seeds mean to these farmers? The seeds are their livelihood, and now monsanto comes along, (supposedly) finds a few of their plants on their property, and says, "Hey you have our seed here! Since we own this seed you can't save your own seeds anymore. Now you have to buy your seeds from us, and you have to get rid of all this seed that you have been saving and cultivating for however long."

And here's the kicker- Monsanto literally says it does not matter how their seed got there, even if someone from their company came and planted it on some poor farmer's land it wouldn't matter... and this has stood up in court! What the hell is happening here?!?

Is there any way you can possibly rationalize this behavior without being completely out of your mind? Do you work for Monsanto or something?

And of course other aspects of the food industry are subsidised and have been for many years. Thats just the nature of the american food industry. We like to buy our food for less than it actually costs to make it. And regardless of whether or not Monsanto is involved, subsidizing food production in our country, or any country for that matter, promotes poverty worldwide, and thats a fact.

Here's how it works:

When you give the big producers money to make food and be able to sell it for far less than anybody else can, these farmers are able to produce massive amounts of food and sell it for dirt cheap. They then ship this product all around the country (and to other countries as well) and this practically destroys whatever local farming economy it comes into contact with because the majority of the local farmers can no longer compete with the low prices and therefore go out of business.

Unlike America, the majority of the people in many countries around the world still support (or at least did support) themselves through farming. But dirt-cheap food came along, undercut the local guy, and put them out of business. It's the same principle as Wal Mart coming into a town and putting half the local small shops out of business. They simply can't compete. That goes for beef, dairy, you name it. Prices would be ridiculous if it weren't subsidized and the local guy would still be in business. So many people you see in so many slums around the world used to be farmers. They don't need us to make huge amounts of food and ship it over to them dirt cheap, they just need to be able to farm and sell their own products for a reasonable price again. We don't need to subsidize the big guys, we need to give the poor people some land again and some access to some basic farming tools so they can support themselves.

And just so you know, if I were a farmer, (and I do grow my own organic fruits and veggies in my own garden) I would definitely NOT use Monsanto seeds. I am vehemently opposed to everything they are doing. There are plenty of farmers out there that want nothing to do with them, plenty of consumers that are supporting those farmers, and both of those groups' numbers are growing every day.

Posted on Sep 24, 2010 12:53:23 PM PDT
Craig says:
Matthew said "We like to buy our food for less than it actually costs to make it. That goes for beef, dairy, you name it. Prices would be ridiculous if it weren't subsidised".
Who subsidizes them, where does that money come from? I'm sorry, subsidizing farmers or anything else is just wrong. I'm sick of the whole Robinhood mentality.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 24, 2010 1:14:54 PM PDT
Matthew says:
You and I do! Bush signed in a farm bill that gave them something ridiculous like $10 billion more than what they were already getting. I'm not sure of all the details, but I know that it comes out of the U.S. taxpayers pocket.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 24, 2010 3:40:20 PM PDT
They developed the seeds and have a patent. Businesses can do that. There's nothing illegal or immoral about patenting seed. Monsanto may have lobbyists, but they do not provide subsidies. As you stated, correctly, the federal government provides the subsidies. There is no direct link between Monsanto (or any other seed-producing company) and subsidies. Personally, I am against subsidies except in cases where natural disaster occurs, or for subsistence farming. Those are tax dollars.

It's pretty difficult to imagine a real-world scenario with Monsanto sending spies out to search fields for crops grown by their seed not paid for by the farmer. Not impossible, but mighty difficult. Down the street from my old house, occasionally a cow would get loose and they always go into the cornfield. You can't find them! Cows are pretty big, too. Just how does Monsanto monitor every farm in the country?

I'm all for farmers who want to maintain their own seed, but bear in mind it's a costly undertaking. They have to collect it and store it under conditions conducive to germination the following year. For a lot of farmers, buying patented seed is probably the path of least resistance, which is the path most people choose. All of those seed catalog companies are selling consumers patented seeds, too. Of course it's wrong for a corporation to attempt to seize a farmer's property due to the presence of errant seed. Can you cite a case? I ask because this has been in the rumor mill, but I'm not seeing it on any of the farms where I live. I haven't seen any spraying done in years, either, and these are not organic farms.

As farming becomes more modernized, food is produced more efficiently and abundantly. A farmer in Africa, for instance, using modern farming methods, can raise his standard of living by producing more food. It raises the standard of living in the community too, if it's an area that was difficult to farm in the past.

I'm not a farmer. My dad grew up on a farm, and it was organic farming because chemical fertilizers and pesticides hadn't yet been developed. I gardened with him when I was growing up. His solution to weeds was me out there with a hoe. His solution to insects and other pests was to plant extra because he knew he was going to lose some. He planted sunflowers too, to help with the bird issue. His solution for fertilizer was to buy manure from local farmers. I don't use chemicals myself.

I have an aunt who has several thousand hogs too. I asked her about antibiotics. She said of course she used them. If one hog gets sick, it could spread to the rest. Now, I thought about that quite a while. What would her community do with several thousand dead hogs on their hands? And what if disease spread to other farms? And what if it was passed to humans? What if all of the farmers stopped using antibiotics and an outbreak occurred? What would happen to the food supply? I sort of created my own doomsday scenario in my line of thinking, but still, her response was an eye-opener. Call it a necessary evil, if you like. She doesn't have any government loans or subsidies, btw.

So, altogether, I think GMO is the way to go with seed, IF the farmer wants to buy it. The farmer should make the decisions about his or her farm. It's their property, their work, their risk and their gain. No one, not you, me, the government or a corporation should be telling a farmer how to run his business, so long as the business is lawfully run. I keep hearing about these farmers having properties seized, but I pay attention to what's going on in farming in my area and nothing like that is happening. If someone can cite a court case where a seed company seized property illegally, then I might start considering Monsanto evil.

And no, I do not work for Monsanto. But I sure do love spinach!

I'm really more than happy to purchase and consume GMO produce. It's better than sprayed produce.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 24, 2010 4:34:24 PM PDT
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Matthew says:
Of course Monsanto can patent seed and it's legal, but it didn't used to be. It was actually a very heated topic when it first came around. Many people opposed it and said you shouldn't be able to patent life. Many scientists said the new patented crops needed to be contained in labs and the effects on industry and commerce should be carefully examined before proceeding. There were many moral issues involved as well. But did any of that happen? No. Not at all. And now unfortunately it is legal and they have taken the ball and run with it, unchecked, for far too long.

But the moral issue is one of opinion, and in my opinion it is immoral when they come in to a farmer's land and demand compensation for crops that the farmer did not intend to grow. I do not know if they sieze the farmers land or not, but I do know that they demand compensation in some form and most of the time the farmers settle out of court and agree to not discuss the settlement with anybody. This has happened not once or twice but hundreds of times, and continues to happen today. The information is there if you are willing to do a little research.

And I never said we subsidize Monsanto. Nobody is worried about Monsanto. They are making plenty of money. I said we are subsidizing the farmers to buy Monsanto's seeds and chemicals. And if you don't think there is a connection between subsidies for farmers that grow Monsanto's products and Monsanto themselves, then you are not aware of the overwhelming presence in our government (who provides the subsidies) of people that have previously worked for Monsanto, and vica-versa. Lack of research on your part, once again.

And maybe you're just a bit naive, bacause that exactly what Monsanto does. They send people out and test farmer's land without their knowledge or consent, and if they find their seed they sue the farmer... and they win. They don't have to monitor every farm in the country. They just go around testing land, one piece at a time, looking for their crop. Not just possible... FACT. Look into it.

And no, not all seeds are patented. You can buy plenty of seeds that you plant and then keep your own seed from the harvest. Like you said, it's up to you. BUT there are plenty of farmers out there who had tons of seeds that they had saved over the years, whether it was costly or not, and now all their seed cannot be used... by law. They are forced to buy seed because their land has been contaminated. Path of least resistance? Yeah, I guess you could call it that. And how again is this moral? Jeez....

And yeah, thats great for the farmer in Africa who has access to these modernized farming methods, minus the Monsanto owning them if they buy their seed thing, but again they are not being subsidized so many of them go out of business because they can't afford the more modern farming methods and therefore can't compete. Once again, poverty ensues.

You say it's up to the farmer to buy whatever seed they want, and I agree, but it's our food! If enough people choose food that isn't GMO, the farmers will stop growing it. If you want to find out more about Monsanto and see actual cases of what they do to the farmers of our nation and around the world, watch "The Future of Food" then come back and have this discussion. Or at least just do a few google searches. Until you do a little research you are spewing ignorance.

And about the hogs, sure if you have thousands of hogs you will probably have to give them antibiotics to keep them from getting sick. Thats one of the many reasons why I prefer to not eat pork, or if I do, I try to buy it organic, without antibiotics, from smaller farms. It is possible, you know. This mass-scale farming is not unavoidable, and neither are its effects.

I love spinach too but not in a can! You can eat all the cooked, processed, GMO spinach you want! You can have the effects of eating it too! I personally would rather you not eat it because the more of it you eat the more of it they will produce and I don't want that crap in our grocery store! I also don't want to pay more taxes to take care of you when you get sick from eating it! Believe it or not, you, sitting there eating your crappy, canned spinach effects us all!

And regarding your opinion that GMO is better than sprayed... -to me, both are simply undesirable. It's like- would you rather have lead or mercury poisoning? Break your arm or your leg? Get shot or stabbed? Getting the point here? GMO has not been tested sufficently for human consumption, and the few tests that have been done that are NOT funded by the seed companies themselves have shown that they are dangerous. But go ahead and keep eating it. Just trust Monsanto, a giant chemical company... because they have your best interest at heart, right?

If you really need me to site a case of what Monsanto does to farmers for you, here's just one... I think they actually did try to sieze his land:

And here's a couple of interesting quotes for you to ponder in relationship to eachother:

"Monsanto should not have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food. Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is the F.D.A.'s job" - Phil Angell, Monsanto's director of corporate communications. "Playing God in the Garden" New York Times Magazine, October 25, 1998.

"Ultimately, it is the food producer who is responsible for assuring safety" - FDA, "Statement of Policy: Foods Derived from New Plant Varieties" (GMO Policy), Federal Register, Vol. 57, No. 104 (1992), p. 229

We have left it up to Monsanto to determine whether or not its products are safe. If they weren't, do you think they would want you to know? Seriously...

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 24, 2010 6:14:04 PM PDT
Did not know about the terminator gene. I agree, that's not good, and we already agree farmers should be able to plant what they want.

I feel bad for the guy that he lost his heirloom seed. But he didn't lose his farm, and the tactics Monsanto used to approach removing the patented plants from his land are typical. He used the same tactics back to them. Of course, I'm not familiar at all with Canadian law. But Monsanto is losing on the issue, not winning. They're still doing what they do, but according to this article, farmers who don't want to do business with and fight claims against them by Monsanto, at least some of the time. If no written law exists, and someone sets a precedent in court (in the US), that becomes case law, and judges will follow that decision.

I don't need to ponder arbitrarily chosen quotes, though. I never said Monsanto is responsible for food safety. I said their products are safe to eat, via context.

You are the first person who ever produced even a shred of credible evidence, and I respect that. But this case was in Canada. I have not laid eyes on anyone harassing the farmers here, and never do they complain about not being able to plant what they want. I place no value on scare tactics, and there is a great deal of propaganda on every subject imaginable. It is not naivete. It is independent thinking, and reason and logic applied to the evidence.

We learn by repetition. A lot of people make a living telling us the same falsehoods over and over because if we hear it often enough, we believe it is true. Thank you for giving me something to consider, and I hope you consider what I presented as well.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 24, 2010 6:56:41 PM PDT
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Hot Hands says:
Hummingbirder, I think you work for Monsanto? Don't you!

They are Satan....look into the bees....they are messing with the pollination process, and the bees are dying...not good at all...chickens will not eat the feed produced by their genetic altered's not good to play with DNA....are you really that stupid....?

And BTW eat a really nice fresh piece of oranic fruit...then some factory farmed hybrid crap...then tell me there is no difference. (but what do I expect from someone eating canned spinach?)

Evidence also shows that their seeds actually produce less, and cost more....they aren't helping anyone but themselves.

Posted on Sep 24, 2010 6:59:21 PM PDT
Hot Hands says:
"It's pretty difficult to imagine a real-world scenario with Monsanto sending spies out to search fields for crops grown by their seed not paid for by the farmer."

Hummingbirder, are you living under a rock? Do a google search, and read the articles, they do and this has gone to court, and the farmers LOST the can you argue when you don't know the facts?

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 24, 2010 7:22:42 PM PDT
Matthew says:
Yes it is in Canada. If you want to see multiple cases in the U.S. watch "The Future of Food", and "Food Inc." Both are very eye-opening movies. Just because you don't know of anybody personally does not mean that there are not hundreds of farmers out there who are having their life's work pulled from underneath their feet, right here in the heartland of the good ol' U.S. of A. Like I said, if you search for the info, it is there. Think about this... would you rather wait until it DOES effect your neighbors and the people you know and care about? Is it better to just sit back and do nothing until it hits home, or would you rather prevent that from happening?

Monsanto may be beginning to lose on the issue, but that is only because it is so outrageous that people are finally starting to wake up and see what they are doing. Their greed has extended far enough into our world now, to the point where we will not continue to sit back and do nothing. I hope some sort of law comes into effect that prevents this from happening in the future, but as of yet there is nothing. As of now, it is up to the consumer to stop buying their products.

Call the quotes arbitrary if you like, to me they are very relevant. It says we have not held these companies responsible for ensuring the safety of their products, and furthermore, it says Monsanto has no concern for the safety of its products. Those are big issues, especially when something like 93% of the soybean crops in the U.S. are GMO, over 80% of corn, etc... And I'm not sure where you get your information to make the assumption that these things are safe, but in my opinion there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary, and if you trust Monsanto in their statements that these products are safe, you are gambling with your life, your children's lives, and their children's lives... not to mention you are part of the driving, consumer force keeping the products on the shelves.

And yes, you are right, there is quite a large amount of propaganda on this subject, but in my opinion it is rightfully so. If just half of what they are saying is true, this is completely out of control. It's up to you if you want to look into it further, but if you don't, and just accept what Monsanto tells you to be the truth, that is naivety. You can be an independent thinker all you want, you can use all the reason and logic you want, but if you ignore the facts, that is ignorance. I will consider what you have said, but as of yet I have seen no evidence to prove that these products are indeed safe, that Monsanto is not screwing farmers out of their life savings, and that subsidizing farmers that grow their crops is not making things worse. I think it's possible that it might not be as bad as some of these people portray it is, but that doesn't mean it's not happening. If you have evidence to the contrary, other than what you have or have not seen in person, please let me know.

Posted on Sep 25, 2010 10:11:23 AM PDT
"Monsanto should not have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food. Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is the F.D.A.'s job" - Phil Angell, Monsanto's director of corporate communications. "Playing God in the Garden" New York Times Magazine, October 25, 1998.

"Ultimately, it is the food producer who is responsible for assuring safety" - FDA, "Statement of Policy: Foods Derived from New Plant Varieties" (GMO Policy), Federal Register, Vol. 57, No. 104 (1992), p. 229

Exactly. Monsanto couldn't guarantee food safety if they wanted to. Do you want them to be responsible for the safety of our food supply? They are a business, and they are supposed to make money, just like your place of work.

If you're not observing farms, and just swallowing what you read on the internet, you're hardly well-informed. I'm not directing that statement to you, Matthew, but to everyone reading this discussion. I suggest those who dislike Monsanto so strongly visit some farmers and ask if they'll talk about their farming methods, and their opinions of Monsanto and other large corporations that manufacture farming supplies.

Naive, ignorant, lving under a rock, and <gasp> eating canned spinach. No one has told me yet I have my head buried in the sand. But there are worse places one's head could be.

I daresay none of us is really an expert.

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 25, 2010 10:20:33 AM PDT
I enjoy FOOD. I do not enjoy the garbage Monsanto calls "food".

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 25, 2010 10:46:41 AM PDT
Donna Devane says:
I talk about this on my radio show all the time. Join me there and we'll discuss it.

Donna DeVane

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 25, 2010 10:58:41 AM PDT
Marc Stacy says:
Sure...Monsanto does "some good things too" because that is a necessity when trying to DUPE THE PUBLIC! You of evils greatest tools is to convince the people that "there is no evil." And how do you do that? Pretend Philanthropy. How has evil always gotten away with itself? By an..."altruistic concern for human welfare and advancement, usually manifested by donations of money, property, or work to needy persons, by endowment of institutions of learning and hospitals, and by generosity to other socially useful purposes." Did you by any chance just smell another FALSE PHILANTHROPIST? That's right GOVERNMENT! Especially the U.S. Government! They pat you on the head with their right hand while stealing from you with the left! The sheeple of the United States were most recently DUPED bigger than ever before. It's sad when evil tries to take advantage of those around would never succeed without the laziness and blindness of the victim! Oh sure...someone will come along and try and unsay what I just said...but in is IMPOSSIBLE! Anyone that does...will prove my point! They will also show the inner workings of their hearts. In other words...that they too are evil! Any takers? Come on...surley someone out there believes BIG business and even BIGGER government to be...a philanthropic organization. (You other thing evil has going for it's faithful MINIONS. I mean...where would Satan be without his little monkey angels?) LOL!

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 25, 2010 11:03:59 AM PDT
Marc Stacy says:
Does anyone here enjoy the fact that Hummingbirder is a SHEEPLE working for the evil philanthropist? Either that or HBirder is so BLIND that all the kings horses and all the kings men will never help Hbirder see...EVER AGAIN! The real question is...Which is worse...the PIMP or the WHORE? Personally...I think...the WHORE!

In reply to an earlier post on Sep 26, 2010 9:00:04 AM PDT
Hummingbirder, GMO IS SPRAYED. That's the whole point, it is modified to resist herbicides sprayed on crops, and if they are spraying herbicides, they are certainly spraying pesticides too.
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