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Oncologist admits no cure to cancer.

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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 10:55:25 AM PDT
A. Trevino says:
qrnow -

I just spent 2 minutes looking at ONE of your books you listed. "Cancer: Step outside the box". It clearly states that PHARMA funds medical schools and that "The "cancer box" is largely the creation of Big Pharma attempting to peddle their poisons (such as chemotherapy) in an effort to increase shareholder profits."

State medical schools don't get money from PHARMA. Tax payers from the state subsidize tuition then the medical student has to pay the rest including food and rent not to mention books and all that crap. Usually 250 thousand bucks or so - for a STATE medical school. PHARMA does not pay for jack. That's one myth down...

Now the next. Did you know that 5FU, and drug used in colon cancer and many other cancers is about 4 cents per dose. FOUR CENTS!!! You know what the government lets the doctor charge? 100 hundred bucks? One thousand dollars? Nah! It's about .24 cents. That's a 1/4 of a cent. Only 6% over what the drug was purchased for. Awesome. The doc actually loses money giving that medicine to patients. That's myth number 2 down.

But go on believing what you want. Doctors BAD! (said in frankenstein voice).
All natural good - and by the buy this's a panacea!!!

Posted on Jun 12, 2012 1:18:41 PM PDT
One of the other books listed is "Cancer Is Not A Disease - It's A Survival Mechanism" by Andreas Moritz. Moritz says cancer is not a disease, but he offers to help cure you of it anyway, which leads one to think that some of his bulbs are burned out.

Posted on Jun 12, 2012 3:54:03 PM PDT
CrewCut says:
Oncologists get cancer, too.

Posted on Jun 12, 2012 4:05:26 PM PDT
CrewCut says:
Might as well interview a funeral home director about avoiding death.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 6:10:52 PM PDT
V S says:
@Barbara...your daughter's change in lifestyle AND treatments helped her.

The "Evil Pharmatech Companies" dont cause cancer. You know how I can say that with certainty?


You CAN, however, be some nobody like Kevin Trudeau, a convicted con man, make bogus claims about "Alternative Medicine" and sell books for $29.95 and website access for $500.00, and be protected under the First Amendment, even if people take his advice and DIE.

Trudeau loves money, and is a sociopath. He has had ZERO MEDICAL TRAINING and ZERO ALTERNATIVE MEDICAL TRAINING. He invents "facts" and quotes people who dont exist. He tells people in his book to take vitamin E if they are having a heart attack INSTEAD of going to the hospital, because people have been known to die of heart attacks on the way to the hospital.

If this were another country, he'd get the death penalty for profiteering off peoples misery and death. Dont blame Phiser or Bayer...blame asshats like this jerkweed liar. Oh, by the way. He sees regular doctors himself. He got busted on video, and doesnt even follow his own advice.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 6:13:24 PM PDT
V S says:
I dont believe you, sorry. Folfox is for STAGE III COLON CANCER. You have gun cleaning patches and a gas mask on your wish list. Waiting for armageddon?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 6:22:03 PM PDT
V S says:
Really? Why did going vegan, getting more sleep, avoiding all tobacco and alcohol, Dr Schultze's colon cleanse, detox, and Echinacea+ tinctures not do a damned thing for my MRSA? Its a MYTH. You are MORE a product of your DNA than your food. To think otherwise is ignorant. You know what DOES work? Showering three times a day, using Chlorohexedrine, and actually surgery for abcessed infections. I'm down to one outpatient surgery every three months or less. Diet doiesnt seem to affect me one way or the other, even after two years being a 100% organic vegan (causing severe B12, D and E vitamin deficiency, even juicing 5 pounds of carrots per day with wheatgrass)

Dont get me wrong, if ANY alternative medicine works, Dr Schultze is a god. Everyone else in the "Alternative Medicine" field is a liar.

Do NOT think faith will heal you. There are reasons for medicine, but too many dumbasses in the field. They make mistakes and are arrogant about it. YOU need to take care of YOUR health, meaning if you get cancer, learn more about it than your doctor does, and YOU make the decisions. Like hell if I'm going to place my health either in another person entirely OR prayer and diet alone. Hell, do them ALL...if it works, who cares which one cured you?

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 7:42:27 PM PDT
DeDona says:
She just said her husband had colon cancer and besides, Folfox is not only for stage III COLON CANCER. It is also given for stomach cancer.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 9:13:20 PM PDT
Cristy Zook says:
I highly recommend you go to YouTube and find and watch the 3 documentaries on The Gerson Therapy: The Gerson Miracle, Dying to Have Known and A Beautiful Truth.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 12, 2012 10:21:29 PM PDT
A. Trevino says:
Cristy Zook -

coffee enemas already proven to not work. Look up the research. Wish it was true. Also, you really think cavity fillings are the real problem???

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 13, 2012 4:33:22 AM PDT
Before you decide to quit conventional treatment, check this out from Mayo Clinic: I've heard that vitamin C might be an alternative cancer treatment. What can you tell me about it?

from Timothy J. Moynihan, M.D.

The use of vitamin C in alternative cancer treatment isn't new. Proponents claim that large doses of vitamin C are toxic to cancer cells. However, there is no reliable evidence gathered in human studies to support this theory.

Studies in the 1970s first suggested that large doses of supplemental vitamin C might be of some benefit in the treatment of cancer. But these studies were later found to have serious flaws. Subsequent well-designed, randomized, controlled trials of vitamin C and cancer found no such treatment benefit.

More recently, vitamin C given intravenously (IV) has been touted to have different effects than vitamin C taken orally. This has prompted renewed interest in the use of IV vitamin C as a cancer therapy. However, there is still no evidence that vitamin C has any effect on cancer. Until clinical trials are completed, it's premature to determine what role, if any, IV vitamin C may play in the treatment of cancer.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 8:44:09 PM PDT
spookiewon says:
Anatomy lesson: Your prostate isn't anywhere near your balls, and herbs don't cure cancer either.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 8:49:00 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 20, 2012 3:52:45 PM PDT
spookiewon says:
No, they don't. Anecdotal evidence proves nothing.

And BTW, usually MDs do not refer to chiropractors, though there are some exceptions. DOs often refer to chiropractors, but then, they get a lot of the same training as chiropractors, in addition to some training in more conventional medicine. All in all, many people consider DOs to be on the fringe of alt-med anyway. I don't see any DOs. The only two doctors I currently see, my primary care and my oncologist, are MDs.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 8:54:14 PM PDT
spookiewon says:
If a cancer patient in a study takes vitamins, they are controlled for. Have you ever been in a study? You don't just take vitamins if you're a study subject. And there HAS been research done for most alt-med treatments. They do not work.

As I said, when it's my cancer I decide, when it's your cancer you do. But to present these untested and tested-and-proved-not-to-work "natural cures" is deceptive and denies people real choices.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 9:03:55 PM PDT
spookiewon says:
You can find out EVERYTHING about any drug prescribed for you. The PDR is for sale at Barnes and Noble for heaven's sake! Barnes and Noble are inexplicably happy to allow you ro read everything they sell in the store, if you don't want to spend the money for a copy. I own a copy. Epocrates has an iPhone and an Android app!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 9:05:34 PM PDT
spookiewon says:
No, it's not enough. What specific type of cancer, what stage and grade? Those things DO make a difference.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 9:13:42 PM PDT
spookiewon says:
Millions of people take prescribed medications every day and don't keel over and die either! Upon what do you base the claim that herbal cures are safer than pharmaceuticals? Just as not all drugs and not all uses of drugs are safe, not all herbs and not all uses of herbs are safe.

What "herbs" do you use for sleep and can you point me to the peer-reviewed studies showing it's effectiveness? How about the proof that all Rx sleeping medications "increase your death risk by up to 600% if you use them regularly;" can you link me to those? How about this Vitamin D/calcium study that the researchers "convienantly forgot to tell people that the results were only valid (according to them anyway) in a certain age range?" Can I get a citation for that?

Just saying such and such a study happened proves nothing.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 9:17:26 PM PDT
spookiewon says:
Yes, you DO need to look at the science. And since I have to choose a treatment BEFORE I know what will happen to me, studies, which make predictions about what what is likely to happen are better predictors of success than scattered reports of people's aunties whose breast cancer was cured by a homeopathic salve.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 9:20:30 PM PDT
spookiewon says:
I work all day directly with a chemist, and my boss is a chemical engineer. Both assure me that you cannot change one molecule of a compound and not change the properties of the compound. All the molecules matter.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 9:23:05 PM PDT
spookiewon says:
You don't like stevia? Truly? I love the stuff! Not Truvia, it tastes "off" to me, but I use this stuff NuNaturals Nustevia White Stevia with Maltodextrin Powder, 12-Ounce like there was no tomorrow!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 9:24:59 PM PDT
spookiewon says:
With all due respect, I stand by my argument that homeopathic dilutions cannot work. There is nothing whatsoever in them, and water doesn't have a memory.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 18, 2012 10:22:01 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 3:05:34 PM PDT
apriljeff says:
I lost this just disappeared lol.. No i hate it! It actually tastes "green." Makes my coffee taste green too lol.. I wish I could get used to it, but it's splenda for me
A box with 1000 packs lasts me a year lol

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 3:09:46 PM PDT
apriljeff says:
It's always the ones miraculously cured with mushrooms and coffee enemas that don't state the details of their cancer.. I've known a few that went that route and you know what? They're dead...all of them. Oh wait, there was one that went that direction and used prayer.. Didn't take long for her to jump on that chemo! So far, she's still alive, but not sure what stage it progressed to before she started. I think I'll go look her up now to check for updates..

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 25, 2012 5:12:36 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 25, 2012 5:23:11 PM PDT
ParrotSlave says:
Ms Jones, I'm puzzled as to how anyone could claim that homeopathic substances work, other than on hypochondriacs and as placebos. You can see how ludicrous homeopathy is if you pay no attention to their supposed rationale for it and look merely at what they do in the real world.

The way you make a homeopathic "remedy" is to take a material--forget the rationale for choosing the material, since you will see why it doesn't matter in a moment--and dilute it. It's either a liquid, which you dilute with water or alcohol, or a solid, which you dilute with lactose. As with martini lovers, some of them argue, in the case of the liquid, as to whether you should stir it or shake it, but the point is that merely doing this once gives you a solution or powder in which the supposed active ingredient is now diluted by a factor of 1 to 10 (when the label says "X" on it) or 1 to 100 (when the label says "C" on it).

There are other dilution ratios besides X and C, and if there were only one such dilution, you would see that the mixture does contain a certain amount of whatever they are diluting, and it could conceivably have a physiological effect. But the whole point of homeopathy is to do this, not once or twice, but dozens of times.

The inventor of this quackery believed that the best "dosage" for most of these preparations was 30C (=60X), which means that the finished product has nothing in it but diluent.

The practitioners of homeopathy hallucinate that the product gets stronger and stronger the more dilute they make it. When you question them about their fantasy, they generally argue that what happens is that whatever they start with changes the water (or alcohol or lactose) somehow so that the diluent "remembers" the original material that was being diluted, and that the successive dilutions somehow magnify that effect. I have yet to see a sane explanation of how the water would decide to "remember" only the substance they are trying to dilute and not all of those other things the water molecules have been in contact with over millions of years, or even for the last few days. Does the water remember the pipes it traveled through? Does it remember the mineral deposits it traveled over? Does it remember where it was yesterday and what it was in contact with--and, if so, where is all this information stored?

Here's how homeopaths "think"--and I use that word loosely. Suppose you have an upset stomach. In their "minds," a homeopathic dilution of something that causes upset stomachs will cure the condition. Let's imagine that your spaghetti sauce causes heartburn; the homeopath would want to make a homeopathic dilution of your spaghetti sauce in order to treat an upset stomach. Here's how: take one teaspoon of spaghetti sauce, and dilute it with about 2 ounces of water (1:10). Mix well. What you now have is 1X spaghetti sauce. Now, take one teaspoon of that, and dilute it with 2 new ounces of water: you end up with 2X spaghetti sauce. Now, take one teaspoon of that, and dilute it with 2 more new ounces of water. Keep doing this, 60 times, and, if you do the math, you'll see that what you end up with is not likely to contain even one molecule of your original spaghetti sauce. Actually, I don't think that you would need to do the math: just watching someone do it would make you snap as to how ludicrous the whole process is. And there are people all over the globe who believe in it. So, for you to state that "some homeopathic substances work," I would love for you to give me an explanation as to how.

One of the funniest things about homeopaths, and I've seen companies advertise products this way, is that they will take two different dilutions of the same thing, neither of which contain any active ingredient, and they will mix the two dilutions together, and, in their "minds," they think they can cure two different diseases that way. In other words, they may think that, say, a 20X dilution will cure disease A, but a 21X dilution will cure disease B, so they mix the 20X and the 21X together to get a mixture that they use for both conditions. I had to LMFAO when I first saw this concept; it was mentioned in a Swanson catalog, regarding products by a German homeopath, Hendel. People spend good money to buy pills that contain no active ingredients: I have yet to understand why. Even people who otherwise seem to be intelligent sometimes do so. It's one of those great mysteries of life.
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