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W.H. says:
Flowerbug,

I'm actually taking Wellbutrin, and it is nothing like cocaine. You've already said that you do not take antidepressants, so don't you think you should defer to people who actually have taken them and know what it feels like? (If you don't believe me, consult a psychiatrist.)

I can't tell whether you are just an ignorant person drawing odd conclusions from literature you do not understand or you're a frustrated comedian deliberately posting incorrect and offensive messages because you have nothing better to do.

If it is the former, take a course in abnormal psychology and/or psychopharmacology. I'd tell you to look up the drugs you keep mentioning in the PDR, but I'm not sure you'd really comprehend the information.

If it is the latter, grow up. There is nothing funny about mental illness.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2009, 10:04:14 AM PST
Intrepid says:
I am sorry you took it that way. It was not intended that way.

As for your statement, "It did not come across like that, Intrepid. It came across as sarcastic and as if they should be supremely grateful and groveling that I do my *duty* as a wife and mother."

Clearly not what I said in tone or intent. From the first post on the topic, I said it was a good thing you do and several others noted it was a complement. My intent was to be supportive and you did acknowledge you reacognized that in your reply to them. That intent continues even now. But since it offended you, I apologize.

I do stand by my main point that it would be good for you to also assess whether how you reproach people achieves your aim or makes them too defensive (which in this subtread I alas did to you).

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2009, 10:36:42 AM PST
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Are you at all actually looking for answers like you've gotten? There are some excellent ones by the way.
Sure, some people may be "super obese" but how do you know they don't have a serious illness/disease?

I can feel you though, you do wonder...like, have u ever watched on T.V. For example, discovery channel about those kind of people? Or do you have no compassion at all or could not bare it?
Its quite sad to me, that some truly have no control and hardly much of a way out without a lot of help.

Without education, opportunity, serious life changes, right environment, proper mentality-all of this takes time and serious changes and help.
PLUS, the society we live in does NOT encourage healthy eating in general! Its actually quite ridiculous, it actually encourages over-eating and obesity when u look at it; the restauarants/fast foods, ads, etc..
Greasy, fried, fatty, *delicious* yes, but at what price?!?
This is where the problem lies, advertising/commercialism I think is a huge problem.

WHY is healthy food, organic, "clean", simple, nutritious food SO expensive, and junky nutritionLESS food is so cheap and easily obtained.
Sure, some restuarants/fast foods, have a FEW options that are decent, but like a few compared to a whole menu??!!
Even then, people can say, "ooh! A salad! That's healthy!" what's on it though? FRIED chicken. And the dressing you say?! Oh YES, it is something creamy and delicious like Ranch, in which the whole packet is used and sometimes even people get extra!!!! C'mon! Do the benefits of the lettuce<if its not iceburg> or any vegetables outweigh what they've done to it? Okay, yes, its still better than no vegetables, but, its still pretty bad.
The idea that salads are great no matter what, u can bog them down with all of the fat and calories and its still good for you, where is this from?!

I don't blame people as much, but how the world works; on the other hand, in this age of the WWW and education, there's no reason someone can't find out how bad a product is for them and try to get help to change.
Its not about DIETS. Its about life-style changes.
I don't say: "I can't eat that, I'm on a diet"
Noo, "I can't eat that, because it might make me sick" etc etc...
No, I don't want to eat a whopper, yah, it might make me sick now
AND in the future over time. But even people who *should* be thinking about their futures, aka 50 yr olds who are overweight for example and have some health issues already. Instead of saying, "no, i'll eat something healthy" or i'll eat less or try to change, they make excuses and just don't really want to..

Also, big miscocneptions that healthy food has no taste, is bland, boring, disgusting, weird etc... where is that from?
From the weird over processed diet foods perhaps? Healthy food can be delicious! When prepared and cooked in the right way, a nutritious product, not over processed, natural. Its amazing how good, good food can't taste!
Take figs for example, has anyone eaten a real, natural fig?! They're amazing and full of flavor!

For some it might take more time to get used to different tastes of healthy food, or getting used to time prep or not, but it feels great to eat great food!
When eating greasy junky stuff, people come away feeling bloated or they overate, or sick or they're sick later etc.. But yet, continue to do it again and again because it does taste good<relatively speaking> and because I think many have not had the chance to taste real food, that is healthy and tastes good!
I haven't read all the other posts, I will, but I noticed one poster saying you don't see healthy fast food places around: its true! Why not? Might not be soo fast, but still.
In a SE Asian country, they have fruit stalls in the malls! And on the street, and they're amazing!
Would America go for that? Fruit stands?
Sorry, I am ranting now, oops. But this all still applies.
Little changes help, don't get an XL French fry, get a large, then a medium, then a small or none at all. Don't use extra salt, don't add butter to everything, get grilled chicken most of the time, don't eat as much red meat, especially less beef, drink more water, less pop. I mean, over time this things add up, they'll feel and look better and be happier.

It does take sacrifice, but its worth it.
These are life long habits for some, this is not only a medical problem, but psychological as well for many.
::Edit:: okay, I take this back then, thanks for the explanation, and its understood.(Instead of looking at them with disgust only, can't u at least expand your mind a bit and think of the many factors involved in the day and age?)

I could go on, but I won't, I think the picture should be a little clear.

in the end, Its a wicked world, that has caused so many many things to go off course, and yes, people must take responsibility also, but, there's a bigger influence out there that people are entrapped in.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2009, 11:07:48 AM PST
Isabella says:

"There is a great deal of "lashing back" and name calling around this issue, by people who object to the truth.
I find the incessant, vicious attacks by either fat people or those making excuses for them rather telling."

"rather telling"? If this comment wasn't so sad, it would be funny...

STOP playing the victim role!

Bella! YOU are the one who creates the *lashing*
YOU are the one who is *name calling*
YOU are the one who *attacks* with your mean-spirited, judgmental comments

but most of all

YOU ARE IN DENIAL sista!!

you say it's about "truth"

whose truth?

YOUR truth?

you make ridiculous comments like, 60% of America is fat because they are disgusting, lazy fatties who don't want to cook, and you expect the people in this thread to respect and listen to you? Most people (both heavy and slim) are not avoiding the *truth* they are outraged over your verbiage! You make general sweeping, grunt-like assumptions about a group of people then call yourself educated in the sciences? You, are the one who should be ashamed of herself. I'm curious, did you ever take any communication classes when you were getting your degree?

No doubt there are a % who do fit into the *lazy* category, but in no way are ALL overweight people lazy, and/or unwilling to cook for themselves. I'm not a scientist but I know the obesity problem is much more complicated than your "lazy/no cooking" theory. The pp in this thread are lashing back at you because you have a nasty, judgmental attitude Bella, no other reason...

What's really amusing is that you assume everyone who opposes you is doing so because they don't want to hear the *truth* and alllll these fat pp are simply protecting their obesity. I have no idea who in this thread is overweight, but I know one thing for sure... NEITHER DO YOU! You make a lot of assumptions Bella. I weigh between 114-119 lbs, and wear a size 2. I know that I am smaller than you since you posted a while back that you wore a size 6. Is this what you want, a peeing contest? The fact is, I feel terribly uneasy making this statement because, unlike you, I am NOT comfortable *bragging* about how good I look, how wonderful my family thinks I am, while implying that the rest of you morons should pay attention to *my* lifestyle. I wasn't raised to be so arrogant. By the way, does this --> ;) and this --> [shrug] make your vitriol okay?

<It's typically in the "fat" threads that I get "negative" votes. In other venues things are different. Fat people, despite their big backsides, have thin skins. They want to blame others for their problems as you and many have noted. >

This is EXACTLY the kind of post that sets up and creates the reaction you get.

NO Bella, that's not why you get all those *no* votes. Unfortunately it's you who has the thin skin and can't (more like, refuses to) hear the message. Please note:

It's about your ATTITUDE and your refusal to heed, address, and correct it. ;))

I mentioned earlier that I am not a contributor to the voting system, but I would be if I thought that one more *no* vote would change things. Please stop playing the *victim* card! Please stop pretending that your mean-spirited, sweeping, judgmental statements are about truth and everyone else here is maliciously picking on you. It's simply not true.

<Viciousness and denial is part of addiction.>

amen! Consider taking your own advice...

You know Bella, you may (or may not) be well educated in the sciences, but one thing is for sure - you are a woman who has absolutely no idea on how to get her message across without slandering and tactless rants, or we wouldn't be having this discussion. You seek out allies, and while Intrepid may or may not partially agree with your "everyone is fat because they are lazy and don't cook theory", he apparently has too much class to express himself as you do. I think it's clear he doesn't take too kindly to your *fat bashing* either.

Intrepid says:
"I do stand by my main point that it would be good for you to also assess whether how you reproach people achieves your aim or makes them too defensive (which in this subtread I alas did to you)."

No doubt, you will see this message as a vicious attack, oh well... {shrug}

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2009, 12:09:36 PM PST
Swedey says:
Mela,
Good post.

I believe that a number of people suffer from diseases, ailments or issues that contribute to weight gain. Prater-willy for one. Depression, for another. They have my sympathies, and often my help.

However it is also my observation that a number of people THINK they fall within these groups when they clearly do not. As part of my work day, I am often asked to host or attend lunches out. These clearly over-weight yet still healthy people load up on the ranch dressing, drinks, bread, and fried foods. I see this in abundance every week. Snacks are pastry, bread, smoothies, expressos and the like.

Diabetes, heart disease, knee replacement, depression, anger issues with airlines & traveling all follow these folks around like an unwanted dog. Yet somehow, they feel resentment at the entire rest of America who is apparently supposed to turn her head at this self-abuse. Somehow it is considered rude to point out this health crisis in public, and often in the home as well. As posters can see, Lean America is supposed to be very careful in how we address these issues. Lest we be rude.

Education IS the answer, for both all groups. Yet, as you can see on these obesity threads, some people FIGHT education and public awareness. They'd rather offer excuses. And stay fat.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2009, 12:23:48 PM PST
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1. Lack of exercise on the job. Economy moving from manufacturing and labor based to sitting on your ass based economy.

2. Rise of addictive and convenience foods. Theres a whole industry dedicated to getting you addicted to food and overeating. Fast food is addictive, soda is addictive, many junk foods are addictive. The grocery store is a mine field. You simply cannot bring certain products into your house.

3. Eating for pleasure instead of eating to fufill hunger. Life is increasingly stressful and without much pleasure. Eating is an affordable and accessible pleasure for most people.

4. Lack of time aka 2 people in the house working causes people not to prepare meals and pushes them towards fast foods and pre-prepared foods which are high in fat/sodium and nutrionally deficent. This also causes a destruction of passed down cooking/food traditions which then passes on bad habits to the next generation.

5. Affordability of junk food and pre-prepared food compared to healthy food. You can get a lb of hot dogs for $1-$2 much cheaper than most vegetables. You can buy 3 fast food burgers for the price of a lb of ground beef.

Posted on Dec 9, 2009, 12:35:06 PM PST
Nancy Knight says:
People who are obese blame no one but themselves. They know they have an "eating" problem that produces a "weight" problem, especially if the weight is carried for an extended period of time. People who are obese live with it every day. They don't need to get on a scale or look in the mirror to know that they are fat, a dirty word in our culture. The psychological effects are far reaching and devastating especially to younger women.

Frankly, what is true is that it is easier today to put on weight than it was in the past. Food is abundant, cheap, and fast. More restaurants and eateries are available than ever before with a wide range of foods that appeal to nearly everyone. Grocery stores are huge and filled with foods that are pre-cooked, frozen, preserved, and fresh from around the world. No need to wait until the season, you can get any food here in America any time you want. You can even order online!

Additionally, the jobs that Americans have today are for the most part, sedentary, a result of our technology. You don't have to chop wood for a fire, or fetch water from a well, or even walk to school or work. Cutting your lawn is unheard of with a "push" mower!

I have much to say on this topic, and hope that folks take a minute to think about things before making harsh judgments.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2009, 12:47:17 PM PST
Flowerbug says:
RE : Evelyn Logan --"Those who live closer to the lifestyle of their forbears enjoy better health."

And yet we have longer life expectancies than ever. -?-

--- I see your point, but someone's boss really doesn't want an employee farting burgers in his/her office. I think the average employer wants gifted, perfume smelling, creatures with a knack for conversation or a high IQ. The average employer doesn't want to know why fast food would make a great meal during a lunch break . . . or why burgers and fries at La Chaumieres or some other french restaurant would be a nice selection from their service and/or menu. . .

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2009, 12:52:26 PM PST
Flowerbug says:
RE: Flowerbug,

I'm actually taking Wellbutrin, and it is nothing like cocaine. You've already said that you do not take antidepressants, so don't you think you should defer to people who actually have taken them and know what it feels like? (If you don't believe me, consult a psychiatrist.)

I can't tell whether you are just an ignorant person drawing odd conclusions from literature you do not understand or you're a frustrated comedian deliberately posting incorrect and offensive messages because you have nothing better to do.

If it is the former, take a course in abnormal psychology and/or psychopharmacology. I'd tell you to look up the drugs you keep mentioning in the PDR, but I'm not sure you'd really comprehend the information.

If it is the latter, grow up. There is nothing funny about mental illness.

--- I'm sorry, sir . . I'll obey!!!!!!!

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2009, 1:12:24 PM PST
bothellbuyer says:
Intrepid (in reference to Mz Geek posts):<She may flame you back. Emotional stimulation of a sort for both of you but not so healthy. Like this food thread, we all need to try to choose better for our own health.>

In the Cooking Community, quite a few posters have been forced to set Mz. Geek to 'ignore' because her inability to convey information in a constructive manner is not restricted to weight issues. I finally did so myself.

Posted on Dec 9, 2009, 1:34:23 PM PST
HotAZGirlie says:
Metabolism is vibrational response to your moment in time. Metabolism is the way the Energy is moving through your body. And so, everything is in response to the way you feel -- everything is. Everything is mind over matter. Every disease is mental first. Everything is about thought. Everything is about vibration. Everything is about the way you feel. Practice scenarios that feel good--and never mind reality. Reality is only a brief moment in time that you keep repeating. ~ by Abraham

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2009, 1:49:07 PM PST
J. G. says:
Insulin Resistance, I believe. And so many people I think have it and don't know it. I have found what works for me is the Insulin Resistance Diet. I see people eating ALL THE WRONG THINGS in the WRONG AMOUNTS! I see really fat college kids eating a personal pan pizza AND breadsticks AND drinking a soda or a sugary fruit drink. I have a colleague that has been trying to lose weight for a long time, and she insists on eating "just a bagel" for breakfast. That is one of the WORST things she could be eating! Well, I guess not worse than a doughnut.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 9, 2009, 2:32:37 PM PST
Intrepid says:
Out of deference to you, I have deleted the post and I apologize if it hurt your feelings. I do admire your care of your family and trying to help them live better.

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All the King's Men:

Thanks. I know it was long winded and ranting, but this is something I've been learning about for awhile, especialy the past few years and more so in the past 2 years, and even more since this year.

Hey Dr. Oz is on TV talking about this very thing! Haha, I rarely watch TV, but seems like a good show. Showing people how they're harming their bodies.

If more people could see that, see, that instead of their chronological age of for example 35, their body thinks they're 47 and their life is going down the drain, then maybe more would take note.

YES, coming from someone who experiences something similar when it comes to being at home, trying to point out things that aren't so healthy, giving other options, and saying its because I care about them etc..
Some changes have been made, but, just last week, they wanted to make a potatoe dish with ONE stick of butter, One POUND of sour cream, and tons of cheese. Yes, it tastes delicious they say, but there are other options. Oh well, can't win 'em all.

Must be tough to have to do that for your job, and not be able to say much of anything about it, for how could you without causing serious offense, you're right.

Also, about people who think they're in that bracket of people who are this way because of genetics, disease, etc; yeah, I'm sure there are many like that.
There may be some who haven't truly tried to change before they give up.
It is hard, it will be hard, but it will get better and there will be improvements. If not, then sure, there could be other factors, and different things work for different people.

Also, I'm not claiming to eat wonderful all the time, but I really don't eat anything too greasy or fried often, anything with high fat.
I was raised eating a lot of junk food and since in my teens, have been on and off diets and exercising. Have lost weight, gained it back, but only until recently have I been able to make permanent changes.
I've been overweight most of my life, not dangerously or out of control, I didn't eat tons of sweets or anything like that. But I first was diagnosed with gallstones like 6 yrs ago, changed my eating habits, felt better, eventually went back to eating not so great again. Went to another country where eating was better and had tons of exercise, lost 30 pounds in 3 months, felt great! Came back to the good ole USA, didn't keep it up of course, gained it back. Diagnosed with gall stones again and has since made what I plan to be permanent changes. I do not want surgery, its not necessary in my case, so Dr. said try low fat diet 30% fat or less. Well I haven't gotten sick in over 6 months feel better, look better, I've lost 70 pounds and continue losing over the past 2 years. I love healthy food, and have some friends who do also, which helps a lot.
It took me getting sick to stop. Literally it was "if I eat this, I could be really sick, throwing up, and feel bad for the next few days up to 2 weeks for this 'treat'"! Forget that!
So sure, I can have a treat here and there, even a piece of pizza or two occasionally, but, honestly, its rarely worth it.
Soo, my point is, I know where people are coming from *to an extent*. BUT, even though I've never been "super" obese or had other health problems, it wasn't good, and I was taking measures and constantly learning; now being on the other side, with a new way of thinking, I am frustrated with people who should and can know and do better. Because now I know for myself its not too difficult for most people. Maybe it takes a little more thought, time, effort, planning, but it is worth it.

It is too bad if people are purposely blinding themselves to truth and education.

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Posted on Dec 10, 2009, 2:01:39 AM PST
Alpha says:
Seriously Geek, you're out of your mind if you believe it's possible to feed yourself for one to two bucks a day. You come to New York and show me where it's possible. Because I'm telling you it isn't. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE! There's no way you can obtain complete nutrition on a dollar a day. Statistics be damned. You can't get enough calories to sustain life for a dollar a day, forget about complete nutrition. So stop with the nonsense already. You're just making a fool of yourself.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 10, 2009, 2:11:53 AM PST
Coffee Hound says:
I hate incorrect grammar used when posters on Amazon insult overweight people at Wal-mart. You have no idea what the person needs the scooter for... they could have rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia, multiple sclerosis, etc. IN ADDITION to them being fat, yet the fat is all you see.

By the way, it's THEIR contribution, not "they're" contribution.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 10, 2009, 7:11:15 AM PST
R. HIll says:
If I were obese, I would pay attention to the elements I could control: diet quality, portions, planned exercise, movement integrated into life. Actually, I pay attention to those things anyway. I would also look at strategic choices (medical & social support, staying away from temptation) similar to how an alcoholic learns to deal with addiction.

But as a national health issue, we need to look at these other factors. I'm concerned that we may have genetic change going on leading to increased risk of obesity. We need to stop moralizing and start an all out research effort.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 10, 2009, 10:39:14 AM PST
Craig says:
Have you never heard of Freegans?
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