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Agave nectar; Good or Bad?


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Initial post: Jun 27, 2010 9:59:41 PM PDT
Ann says:
I just purchased two 40 oz. bottles of raw, organic agave nectar to use as a sweetener in place of sugar. I have heard that it is worse than high fructose corn syrup but I've also heard it's better than regular sugar or sugar substitutes.

I do not suffer from high sugar levels, am not vegan or even diabetic.
I decided to try agave out for my own health's sake. Is this more beneficial for better health purposes or am I harming my health by consuming it? I would appreciate some feedback. Thanks!

Posted on Jun 27, 2010 11:09:16 PM PDT
Agave is heated, and not as raw as what has been talked about Agave..
Basicly it looks like its like any other type of sugar, if not worse!
I have two bottles unopen in my house that I just bought, and I'm now thinking of
returning them!!

Think I'll just stay with Stevia, and raw sugar if I need to use that.

Take a look into www.google.com..Allot of answers there.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 27, 2010 11:44:55 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 27, 2010 11:46:06 PM PDT
You had it right the first time-it is comparibly bad as high fructose cornsyrup. Agave nectar is virtyualy identical chemically in sugar compisition to HFCS approx 55%free monosaccharide fructose and 45% glucose. This is a potential deadly mix for creating the phenomena of hepatic fructose loading where the very limited capacity of the liver to metabolize fructose is overloaded.
My own personal belief(not proven) is that hepatic fructose loading is the main driving force behind the world obesity epidemic and other maladies such as insulin resistance.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2010 9:35:25 PM PDT
Ann says:
Thanks for the feedback! I appreciate it. Such a disappointment. It tastes so good with plain yogurt and fresh fruit :(

Aw well. At least I can keep my body from it's harmful nature.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2010 10:26:31 PM PDT
Great cook is right a combination of stevia and cane sugar is a great sweetner. Stevia and cane sugar have a synergistic(multiplying effect on each others sweetness) so only very small amounts of cane sugar give a lot of sweetness when combined with stevia

Posted on Jun 28, 2010 10:44:08 PM PDT
Lizzie B says:
It's no better or worse than any other sugar.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 28, 2010 11:26:06 PM PDT
Well there are studies indicating that free monosaccharide fructose like agave nectar and honey and fruit juice may be substantially worse than cane sugar for causing fructose overloading of the liver. This may be due to absorption kinetics

Posted on Jun 28, 2010 11:48:10 PM PDT
RasHeru says:
Nan - please do not listen to these uncultivated comments on Agave, I am an Ayurvedic practitioner and I can tell you with unequivocal certainty that Agave is not bad for you. If you would like more in-depth knowledge on this please email me

Posted on Jun 29, 2010 12:07:52 AM PDT
An Ayurvedic practioner sounds like a good person for in depth knowledge about where not to step in the cow pasture. Like in what the male cows left behind

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2010 4:59:35 AM PDT
"studies indicating that .....agave nectar and honey and fruit juice MAY be substantially worse" etc. Would you be able to inform us further as to the whereabouts and bona fides of this said research?

Now let me guess, Matt, who might have funded that research?

Honey and fruit juice I can speak for, but am not that personally well acquainted with the agave nectar, however, in all fairness it sounds like a sugar that is already converted from starch in the plant kingdom, which advantage it shares with all the other sweeteners you mention with the glaring exception of the HFCS. I am hearing that agave has up to 90% Fructose in it, which sounds pretty high to me.

Fructose is critical to liver function, especially in its role of supplying energy to the brain, via the glycogen stores. Humankind as well as much of the animal kingdom survived quite well for thousands of years on fruit and honey.

In the Book, The Honey Revolution: Restoring the Health of Future Generations Dr. Ron Fessenden and co-author Mike McInnes treat at length on most of the common sweeteners, and I am here to report that my health has improved considerably since I commenced to incorporate their understanding into my regimen.

I don't like your chances of being taken seriously when you try to downgrade the role of natural sweeteners, particularly honey, as it has been revered for all time and only in the last hundred years or so, have artificially contrived sweeteners been promoted as 'better.' And what do we get in return? An epidemic of obesity, insulin resistance, depression and cancer, to name a few.

I find no reason to part with my natural honey.

Cheers,

JohnS

Posted on Jun 29, 2010 9:40:02 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 29, 2010 9:41:29 AM PDT
TinkHerToy says:
I am an Agave lover! What's not to love, the low-glycemic index or the natural inulin fiber, the ONLY natural sweetener to have a fiber of some sort? I don't do HFCS anymore, I don't use refined sugar, now I only use Agave for tea & coffee and baking, occasionally I will use LOCAL honey or pure maple syrup. NEVER sugar substitutes....every single one of them leaves such a nasty aftertaste I can't take a second sip or bite. I even got a book on baking with Agave

And since I have made these changes I have lost 3 and a quarter inches from my waist, my blood pressure is 111/69 and I feel great. Of course, I've switched from refined flours to whole-grains, too......Baking with Agave Nectar: Over 100 Recipes Using Nature's Ultimate Sweetener

Posted on Jun 29, 2010 9:42:12 AM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2010 7:12:55 PM PDT
Good on you, Matt. Glad I had some good impact.

Cheers,

JohnS

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2010 8:45:15 PM PDT
EarthGirl says:
What is raw agave nectar-organic or not? Google to find that this product is created in a laboratory. It is the as same they don't get corn "syrup" from corn. It is a processed product where the agave starch is chemically changed to sugar and liquified for use! Agave syrup is a processed high fructose sweetener.It is not better than sugar as sugar is ONLY 50% fructose. Fructose is still high calories (unlike stevia). Fructose is now thought to be directly responsible for the rise in metabolic syndrome statistics (previously known as insulin resistance) and diabetes 2, high blood pressure, arterial inflammation, high cholesterol level. It is not a health product. If you have not used your bottles, return them! Although you dont (yet) have high sugar levels if you have been a long term consumer of excess fructose ( contained in all processed sweetened foods bar artificially sweetened) you may still have insulin resistance - high blood sugar shows at the end of this process. See Dr Mercola interview with Dr Richard Johnson whose research team as discovered that uric acid levels predict metabolic syndrome. I hope this convinces you to be skeptical of sweeteners and encourages you to restrict unhealthy use of sweetened products. Fruit is best but only in small quantities. Other diseases like Fibromyalgia and IBS are also linked to excess fructose.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2010 8:52:50 PM PDT
EarthGirl says:
questionable that it is not worse?.... but....it is much more expensive to be a valuable addition to your cupboard.

Posted on Jun 29, 2010 8:58:51 PM PDT
TinkHerToy says:
if I am not buying sodas with HFCS, not buying bags of C&H, not buying heavily processed foods anymore I can certainly afford agave. My health is worth it. I'm not chugging the agave out of the bottle....a little in my coffee and tea, a little in baking. "biochemical details of hepatic fructose loading" good grief talk WAY over my head to make yourselves sound intelligent?????

Agave rocks. End of story.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2010 9:07:25 PM PDT
EarthGirl says:
Agave IS High Fructose and a processed product. It is made from chemically rearranged agave starch made like corn syrup from corn starch! There is no sweet 'nectar' in agave any more so than in corn! Low glycemic foods are great if you have diabetes but GI rating is allowing high fructose foods to slip under the radar as they cause the very problems that being on low GI is supposed to prevent. For further see Dr Richard Johnson research into connection to uric acid and metabolic syndrome). You are doing well to increase the fibre in your diet as this will lead you away from damaging processed foods.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2010 9:22:01 PM PDT
EarthGirl says:
You ARE right - a little wont hurt! BUT dont kid yourself that you are doing your HEALTH a favour choosing agave over table sugar just because of some product advertising with an up-market price..

Matt O might sound too intelligent to you but think of it like this,..fructose is as poisonous to your liver in the long term as alcohol, and excess will result in similar damage. If the liver cannot work properly, every other function in the body will show impairment. It is ok for you if you are a light user of fructose ( 20- 30 grams /day) but for the greater majority (who are already overweight) agave syrup is as serious to health as HFCS and should be avoided by anyone seriously looking out for their health.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2010 9:25:38 PM PDT
EarthGirl says:
Personal belief from where? I am interested in anything on this subject.

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2010 9:32:37 PM PDT
EarthGirl says:
Sooo totally unnecessary for your own credibility!
Western scientific arrogance will be its downfall- there is much to learn from traditional knowledge!

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 29, 2010 9:45:30 PM PDT
EarthGirl says:
Fructose is critical to liver function, especially in its role of supplying energy to the brain, via the glycogen stores.???????? GLUCOSE not fructose has this role.
... Yes i also agree that high fructose "chemically processed" products will be those associated with metabolic syndrome and that once these products are reduced the natural sweeteners from fruit and honey will be of little consequence to health disorders. The health problems caused by fructose have not been shown to be resulting from natural sources (whole fruit or honey in dietary studies) but instead ARE attributable to EXCESSIVE intakes of FRUCTOSE made possible by the cheap and accessible sweetened high fructose calorie products- Soft drinks, processed fruit juices and snack products. Yes unless you have signs of metabolic syndrome i would not stop using beautiful honey:)

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2010 10:46:46 AM PDT
Last edited by the author on Jun 30, 2010 10:50:28 AM PDT
The fructose in HFCS and other "articial sources is chemically identical and is MADE IN THE SAME way as "natural fructose" made by living orgainisms. Living oragnisms make fructose using an enzyme called phospho gluco isomerase that converts glucose into fructose. The makers of HFCS buy large amounts of the enzyme purified from yeast and then use it convert glucose derived from corn starch into fructose. "Natural" fructose made by living organisms is chemically idenitical in every way to the fructose in HFCS and has the same disasterous effects when consumed in concentrated rapidly absorbed form such as fruit juice or beverages sweetened with honey or agave
Thank you for clarifying some of these issues such as the claim fructose is essential to liver function etc. You seem someone who at least knows more or less what you are talking about

In reply to an earlier post on Jun 30, 2010 10:53:33 AM PDT
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Posted on Jun 30, 2010 11:36:21 AM PDT
Agave comes from a plant, same way molasses come out of sugar cane. A doctor recommended that I use agave over a year ago, I stay away from all the corn syrop that is almost in every food, and away from artificial chemical sweeteners, end result lost over 30 pounds and the adiction to sodas that are also loaded with corn syrop and other chemical.

Posted on Jun 30, 2010 11:47:08 AM PDT
Your losing weight is probably from giving up the concentrated rapidly absorbed fructose in sodas and using agave in less concentrated less rapidly absorbed froms. Agave is chemically identical to HFCS used in soda's and I have personally seeen it produce disasterous effects in concentrated liquid form sucn as agave seetened lemonade.These included outbreaks of massive obesity among the employees in two organic health food stores assoicated with consuming shakes from agave sweetened coconut milk or agave sweetened fruit juice-shortly after agave hit the market and was promoted as a "healthy alternative" to cane sugar
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