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Was Lincoln's invasion of the South Constitutional?


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Posted on May 11, 2012, 4:09:17 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 11, 2012, 4:22:44 PM PDT
B. A. Dilger says:
Deleted. Not relevent to OP.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012, 4:33:39 PM PDT
freedom4all says:
Ku's post: The law of the jungle.

f4a: How you leap from non-aggressive force and only force used for defense to 'the law of the jungle' is a mystery Ku.

What is reality amazing denial of the mafia model of government used by modern governments:
The Story of Your Enslavement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58
A&list=PL70BDDF8810782C37&feature=plcp&context=C440adb6FDvjVQa1PpcFPr924SI9dsW8J2bk30iVB_ivOXNtpWSOQ=

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012, 4:35:42 PM PDT
Ku says:
The mystery is your propaganda re government = mafia.

It's your ideology that could be pushed by the mafia. They'd be happy not to have a government breathing down their neck.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012, 4:37:24 PM PDT
freedom4all says:
Ku says: They signed up after they were threatened with having their exports taxed as coming from a foreign country.

f4a: Yes a common market was reason to join. Just as the abuse of the common market was a reason for leaving.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012, 4:38:23 PM PDT
Ku says:
What abuse of a common market?

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012, 4:44:27 PM PDT
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In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012, 4:50:31 PM PDT
reply to Ku's post:

the usa will break itself up to avoid worse things happening

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012, 4:50:58 PM PDT
Ku says:
How and what?

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012, 4:53:14 PM PDT
reply to Ku's post:

by 2050

it will break up into 5 separate regions that think alike
to avoid the problems caused by gridlock we now have

they can each do their own political thing without being blocked by the other party

and then the north east wont have to bail out the far west
others all avoid problems they dont like too

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012, 4:55:00 PM PDT
Ku says:
What own political thing?

Are you talking about splits along racial lines?

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012, 5:13:28 PM PDT
freedom4all says:
Ku says: So the Chinese can dominate the planet?

f4a: Neither will they be able to hold their empire together.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012, 5:14:43 PM PDT
freedom4all says:
Ku says:
The kind of people who think the USA should be broken up are usually Russians sore about the break-up of the Soviet Union.

f4a: Not at all. The world needs to see the end of empires.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012, 5:15:01 PM PDT
Ku says:
There's no empire now.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012, 5:17:58 PM PDT
freedom4all says:
Ku says: It's your ideology that could be pushed by the mafia. They'd be happy not to have a government breathing down their neck.

f4a: In a society were all aggressive use of force is known to be criminal and evil, the mafias and governments would easily be recognized for what they are, and defensive action taken against them.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012, 5:20:48 PM PDT
freedom4all says:
Ku says:
What abuse of a common market?

f4a: Making one region pay the lion's share of taxes that support the government's subsidies of industries in another region. Robbery by legislation of the majority.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012, 5:20:48 PM PDT
Ku says:
You have no way of deciding what aggressive use of force is in your world because there'd be no more impartial arbiters.

The justice 'system' privately run would be on a for-profit basis. If you grease the judge's palm, he'll decide in your favor.

Totally corrupt system.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012, 5:22:18 PM PDT
freedom4all says:
whomper says:
the only difference between the mafia and the govt is the one with the most power and the one trying to overthrow them

f4a: They are so much alike they compete for the same markets.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012, 5:23:19 PM PDT
reply to Ku's post:

mostly economic

tax and spend
or less taxes fewer rules

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012, 5:24:33 PM PDT
Ku says:
I don't know what example you have in mind.

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012, 5:25:17 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 11, 2012, 5:25:57 PM PDT
freedom4all says:
Ku says:
There's no empire now.

American Empire:

American Empire: The Realities and Consequences of U.S. Diplomacy

Day of Empire: How Hyperpowers Rise to Global Dominance--and Why They Fall

American Empire Before the Fall

Colossus: The Rise and Fall of the American Empire

A People's History of American Empire: The American Empire Project, A Graphic Adaptation

The Secret History of the American Empire: The Truth About Economic Hit Men, Jackals, and How to Change the World

Habits of Empire: A History of American Expansion

Dismantling the Empire: America's Last Best Hope (American Empire Project)

A Republic, Not an Empire: Reclaiming America's Destiny (None)

American Empire: Roosevelt's Geographer and the Prelude to Globalization (California Studies in Critical Human Geography)

Posted on May 11, 2012, 5:26:08 PM PDT
Last edited by the author on May 11, 2012, 5:27:31 PM PDT
freedom4all says:
The Imperial Cruise: A Secret History of Empire and War

Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA

Wilson's War: How Woodrow Wilson's Great Blunder Led to Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, and World War II

Bully Boy: The Truth About Theodore Roosevelt's Legacy

The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War

States' Rights and the Union: Imperium in Imperio, 1776-1876 (American Political Thought (University Press of Kansas))

What the Anti-Federalists Were For: The Political Thought of the Opponents of the Constitution

Unbridled Power

Power to Destroy: The Political Uses of the IRS from Kennedy to Nixon

Super Imperialism: The Origin and Fundamentals of U.S. World Dominance

Posted on May 11, 2012, 5:26:54 PM PDT
freedom4all says:
Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire (American Empire Project)

The Sorrows of Empire: Militarism, Secrecy, and the End of the Republic (The American Empire Project)

Full Spectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order

Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror

Dark Ages America: The Final Phase of Empire

Colossus: The Price of America's Empire

Why America Failed: The Roots of Imperial Decline

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012, 5:39:02 PM PDT
Ku says:
A bunch of authors using a polemical term doesn't make the U.S. de facto or de iure an empire.

And if you don't get my point about clean use of language, I advise you read George Orwell's

Politics and the English Language

In reply to an earlier post on May 11, 2012, 5:47:46 PM PDT
freedom4all says:
How about this Ku? If it controls all the oceans and most of the air space on this planet, has military bases in 185 countries, and nuclear subs parked off the coast of every other military power. Spend as much money on its military as the rest of the world (including its allies) together. Uses the IMF and World Bank as tools of its foreign policy. Has the CIA in every country in the world. The list goes on and on. It is the most powerful empire the world has ever seen.

"American Empire" get over 3,000 hits on Google. Read a few.
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