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Are the Prussians gone for good?


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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 25, 2009, 11:31:41 AM PST
briefcandle says:
Thanks, all the best to you too.

Posted on Dec 27, 2009, 12:51:01 AM PST
Mr. Luke Taper's initial title referred to Prussia, which has rather taken over the thread, but his original question was more wide-ranging, relating to unresolved border disputes in Europe in general. As far as national boundaries are concerned, I think there are relatively few burning issues. Finland doesn't expect ever to get Karelia back, or Denmark Schleswig-Holstein. They may speak German in Bolzano, but they're Italians now. The Hungarians in Transylvania probably don't expect ever to be part of Hungary.

Ironically, what we have now in "Europe" is a regime, based in Brussels, that actively encourages regional rivalries, precisely in order to weaken the nation-states. In the fantasy-world of the EU, "regions", that no-one had ever previously envisaged, are decreed into existence, so that the unelected centre can talk to the "regions", while ignoring the elected national governments in-between. I am hopeful that the EU will collapse peacefully in the next few years, under the weight of its unique combination of incompetence, totalitarianism and corruption. If it doesn't, it may have sown the seeds of its own much more violent destruction by deliberately trying to Balkanize the continent.

Posted on Dec 27, 2009, 2:44:05 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 27, 2009, 2:47:29 PM PST
seeker says:
Take a look at the Non Sequitur Discussion in the Christianity forum.

In reply to an earlier post on Dec 27, 2009, 3:07:35 PM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Dec 28, 2009, 2:24:55 AM PST
"This has got to be one of the weirdest, most non-sensical threads ever."

You can't even spell "nonsensical".

Posted on Dec 28, 2009, 11:27:10 AM PST
briefcandle says:
Yes, the original topic could be read to include real estate like gibraltar or even alsace and lorraine, maybe the border counties of ulster/eire,the basque country,olivenca and probably many more bits of real estate.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 2, 2010, 4:51:00 AM PST
Alsace and Lorraine won't be changing hands, any time soon. They remained partly germanophone right up until 1945 and beyond, but France pretty well stamped out German tendencies there within a quarter-century of the end of WWII.

Republican terrorists in Northern Ireland have always operated in defiance of the plain reality that the last thing that the Irish Republic wants is to acquire responsibility for the Troubles in the Six Counties. Dublin is more than happy to maintain the current border.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 2, 2010, 7:42:32 AM PST
Herman B. wrote:
"When I visited Germany, I visited a castle Hohenzoller it was in south-west Gemany (Baden-Wurrtemburg I believe), it was the castle of the Hohenzollerns, Fredrick the Greats tomb was there and if thats where the "prussian" Fredrich came from, it cant be farther from Prussia and still be in Germany."

As I understand it, the Hohenzollern dynasty and the Junker landlords were of Swabian (South-German) origin.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 2, 2010, 8:03:36 AM PST
The Hohenzollern, Hohenstaufen, Wittelsbach and Habsburg families all started out as robber barons. Only the Hohenstaufen ever really improved themselves.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 2, 2010, 8:25:44 AM PST
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O. G. M. Morgan wrote:
"The Hohenzollern, Hohenstaufen, Wittelsbach and Habsburg families all started out as robber barons. Only the Hohenstaufen ever really improved themselves."

The Social Democratic and Progressive Parties were formed under the Hohenzollerns. Their legacy endures in the Social Security legislation sponsored by Chancellor Otto von Bismarck in the 1880s, and in the Workers Protection Acts of 1891 advocated by Kaiser William II.

On 4 May 1881 Bismarck referred to his proposed social legislation as Staatssozialismus, when he made the following accurate prediction to Moritz Busch: "It is possible that our policy may be reversed at some future time when I am dead; but State Socialism will make its way." [ Moritz Busch, "Bismarck: Some secret pages from his history," Macmillan, New York (1898) Vol. II, p. 283]

Another translation of this accurate prediction is: "It is possible that all our politics will come to nothing when I am dead but state socialism will drub itself in. (Der Staatssozialismus paukt sich durch.)" [Werner Richter, "Bismarck," G.P. Putnam's Sons, New York (1965) p. 275]

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 2, 2010, 9:10:06 AM PST
The welfare legislation in Germany in the decades preceding 1914 was actually ground-breaking, but it was also, ultimately, just another cog in a (for the time) uniquely militarised state. Thoughts for the general population's plight don't appear to have troubled Kaiser Wilhelm's sleep unduly after August, 1914.

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 2, 2010, 11:07:10 AM PST
Last edited by the author on Jan 5, 2010, 3:06:28 PM PST
O. G. M. Morgan wrote:
"Thoughts for the general population's plight don't appear to have troubled Kaiser Wilhelm's sleep unduly after August, 1914."

A scanned copy of the Kaiser's "Memoirs" is available at:

http://books.google.com/books?id=ywZoAAAAMAAJ&dq=kaiser+%22My+Memoirs

Certain pundits claim that these "Memoirs" are "unreliable," but I don't see any justification for this opinion.

As a follow-up, I would like to add that my jaws dropped when I read the following letter. Many Europeans expected a unified Germany to become a European and world leader and to champion humanitarian policies. This is demonstrated in the following letter written by Giuseppe Garibaldi to the German patriot Karl Blind. Garibaldi was truly an amazing visionary who supported the creation of a European federation. His observations are just as applicable today as they were 145 years ago. I wonder if the moth-eaten politicians of today's European Union and Russian Federation will be able to redress the catastrophic failures of 100 years ago?
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Letter to Karl Blind
April 10, 1865

The progress of humanity seems to have come to a halt, and you with your superior intelligence will know why. The reason is that the world lacks a nation which possesses true leadership. Such leadership, of course, is required not to dominate other peoples, but to lead them along the path of duty, to lead them toward the brotherhood of nations where all the barriers erected by egoism wil lbe destroyed. We need the kind of leadership which, in the true tradition of medieval chivalry, would devote itself to redressing wrongs, supporting the weak, sacrificing momentary gains and material advantage for the much finer and more satisfying achievement of relieving the suffering of our fellow men. We need a nation courageous enough to give us a lead in this direction. It would rally to its cause all those who are suffering wrong or who aspire to a better life, and all those who are now enduring foreign oppression.

This role of world leadership, left vacant as things are today, might well be occupied by the German nation. You Germans, with your grave and philosophic character, might well be the ones who could win the confidence of others and guarantee the future stability of the international community. Let us hope, then, that you can use your energy to overcome your moth-eaten thirty tyrants of the various German states. Let us hope that in the center of Europe you can then make a unified nation out of your fifty millions. All the rest of us would eagerly and joyfully follow you. [Denis Mack Smith (Editor), Garibaldi (Great Lives Observed), Prentice Hall, Englewood Cliffs, N.J. (1969) p. 76.]

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 2, 2010, 11:27:34 AM PST
briefcandle says:
Re the 6 border counties, I remember that a border commission was meant to micro review the border at parish level, possibly a promise from lloyd george (to michael collins?) which noone else was keen to take up, and in the new europe seems less likely than ever.

Posted on Jan 2, 2010, 11:39:16 AM PST
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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 2, 2010, 12:07:52 PM PST
briefcandle says:
get me a pointy hat
:-)

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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 2, 2010, 8:14:42 PM PST
O. G. M. Morgan says:
The Hohenzollern, Hohenstaufen, Wittelsbach and Habsburg families all started out as robber barons.
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Sounds very true, especially for the Hohenzollerns whose name translates as "high tolls"...

In reply to an earlier post on Jan 3, 2010, 12:50:12 AM PST
rebelinblue says:
nah just enjoy ya visit and have some of that lovely german beer for me

Posted on Jan 3, 2010, 11:47:45 AM PST
Suet says:
If Isabella has gone to Prussia, is she gone for good? :)

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In reply to an earlier post on Jan 3, 2010, 3:41:51 PM PST
Suet says:
Hey Izzie: I think 'Armleuchter' colloquially means 'show-off'. Am I right? I bet you know!

Posted on Jan 3, 2010, 5:15:22 PM PST
Do they have the internet in Prussia, and what is the country extension? .pr

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